Talk:Justin Bieber/Archive 8

Twattery
There should be a section to list his twatish behaviour such as spitting on fans, hypocritically releasing a song about a self-absorbed person (Love Yourself), getting pissy at a Japanese airport because he was expecting more fans to greet him, etc. 2607:FEA8:4DA2:3400:1106:4EA8:A798:7CC5 (talk) 08:53, 8 September 2022 (UTC)


 * WP:Indiscriminate. (CC) Tb hotch ™ 15:18, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't think these are significant events in his life, no need to include them. AbbottBazz (talk) 04:07, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 December 2022
I would like to fix a mistake made on justin beibers page Jbb5252 (talk) 19:31, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
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Request for comment
Should this article retain an image of Justin Bieber from 2015 or should we update it to a 2022 image? (see both images) Nythar  (💬-🎃) 07:23, 18 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Support 2022 image - Pinging both and  who participated in the discussion above this RfC. To explain: Image A represents Bieber at the age of 21 and image B represents him at 28. Now, the reason this was reverted is because  objects to the latter on the basis of "basic human decency" which is contrary to WP:NOTCENSORED which states "Wikipedia may contain content that some readers consider objectionable or offensive‍—‌even exceedingly so." Image B is neither exceedingly objectionable nor offensive. The image is simply of him performing without a shirt on -- nothing wrong with that. There are many articles with images like this. I think that a 7-year-old image doesn't represent the subject well enough and there's no good reason to not change it to image B; we regularly update articles to include newer images. Also, his facial expression in the newer image seems to me to be more favorable since it portrays him in a more lively mood.  Nythar  (💬-🎃) 07:49, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Support 2022 image.--NYMan6 (talk) 11:53, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Support 2022 image.--Ortizesp (talk) 18:40, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Poor RfC: Support 2015 image. Dr.Pinsky (talk) 16:44, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
 * ? — Nythar  (💬-🎃) 16:56, 19 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Use 2022 image. He is still notable in 2022 (would be different if he had fallen completely into obscurity). Also, it's interesting that MOS:LEADIMAGE doesn't provide any guidance on this. Styx (talk) 05:43, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * What's the rational that this is an improvement? He doesn't look much different other than not wearing a shirt. I Oppose unless there's a reason to move from the status quo. Nemov (talk) 13:45, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Nemov, my rationale is in my comment above. The 2022 image was taken 7 years after the image you support was taken. You can read my complete comment to see my reasoning. If you think he doesn't look different, that's fine, but it's only a perspective. (I am not opposed to other images if you can find one online.) Regards, — Nythar  (💬-🎃) 14:10, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for replying. To me he looks the same except without a shirt. I don't really care one way or the other, but I agree with @Dr.Pinsky. Nemov (talk) 14:17, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Support 2022 image. We regularly update articles to include newer images. –– FormalDude  (talk)  18:15, 24 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Option A – Go with the 2015 image since the focus is on the individual's face, and the viewer's attention is not distracted by the individual being shirtless and covered in tattoos, which is not the common way, which the individual is seen in the media. --Guest2625 (talk) 11:59, 28 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Option A – I agree a topless image looking like finger up the nose is not a reputable image. It's not representative of the person and WEIGHT of coverage of him, so does not seem suitable per MOS:LEADIMAGE and visually is not appealing as a way to start the article verging on MOS:SHOCK.   I do not see anything better than option A in the commons, most of the others are when he was really young and the option A image at least looks somewhat recent, so it seems the best available choice.  Cheers Markbassett (talk) 06:52, 1 December 2022 (UTC)


 * 2022 Image - Although I agree that the second image is a bit cheeky, it shows Bieber as he is now, and it's not so obscene after all. Alternatively, we could choose a third picture that would be from 2022, and where he would wear a shirt. Iraniangal777 (talk) 08:51, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

New infobox image?
On 29 September, changed the infobox image to a 2022 image of Bieber performing. reverted the change, stating "A topless image is not a respectable choice for a biographical page" in their edit summary. The image has ping-ponged back and forth over the past few weeks, so I'm looking for broader community consensus. —C.Fred (talk) 12:04, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
 * File:Justin Bieber in Rosemont, Illinois (2015) (cropped).jpg
 * Is the old image sufficiently representative of Bieber?
 * Is the new image preferable as more representative of his current appearance?
 * Should we be concerned about how "respectable" the image is?
 * Should we specifically not be concerned about how "respectable" the image is, per WP:NOTCENSORED?


 * I feel that it's important to note the addition of tattoos upon his chest in the time since he was basically a child performer. These are facts that need to be documented. Gallomimia (talk) 16:36, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

He did choose to perform without a shirt on, so I don't see why it would be disrespectful. If it was an image of him taken on perhaps a beach, then I'd be more inclined to agree with such a statement. But it isn't. EthanRossie2000 12:09, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Beemer03 shouldn't have removed the new image for that reason. Take a look at this comment they made on their talk page, citing "basic human decency" -- which is a personal thing and not a guideline. This is the best image we have and there's nothing wrong with it. Nythar (💬-🎃) 16:37, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I reverted the image back to the original for two reasons; one, I felt that I should keep the implications in mind and two, there was no consensus reached at the time. Countless images have been taken of Bieber over the years and I think that there are better ones to use, but that is just my opinion. I apologise if it seemed like a "personal thing". -Beemer03 (talk) 12:27, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Beemer03, unfortunately we don't seem to have enough images of him on commons. Is there a better image we can upload? — Nythar  (💬-🎃) 20:13, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I added a new image, I think we definitely need a new image NYMan6 (talk) 20:15, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * A consensus has not been reached yet. Until it does, the image cannot be changed. Beemer03 (talk) 06:14, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Beemer03, "Until it does, the image cannot be changed" <-- this is incorrect. However, if someone objects, then I might start an RfC. Do you still object to the image? — Nythar  (💬-🎃) 07:07, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

My understanding is that in the absence of collective consent, the pre-existing image should be in place. I am happy to discuss and for us to collectively decide an outcome. My pov is that the images in Bieber’s Wikimedia page, subcategory “Justin Bieber by year” in 2022, don’t seem to be ideal representations of Bieber. Maybe some more images can be added? Beemer03 (talk) 14:44, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello. I pixelated the photo in December 2022. Now the photo could be representative because of it. Matysek2000 (talk) 18:56, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

Rumors of Death
I hate to be the one who brings up the elephant in the room, but I'm hearing a lot of rumors that this person has died. After some investigating, it seems none of them are reputable sources. A duckduckgo search brings only twitter and instagram accounts, the artists actual website, and this page. Can anyone find some info for or against this rumor? Gallomimia (talk) 16:42, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 March 2023
Hi can you unblock this so everyone can edit 202.125.164.210 (talk) 01:35, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
 * No edit request made. Request declined. ZsinjTalk 01:40, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 April 2023
181.117.92.85 (talk) 22:52, 25 April 2023 (UTC) change justin's photo
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Semi-protected edit request on 4 June 2023
Bold text 81.44.61.76 (talk) 17:37, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 6 June 2023
in line 85 where it says "the same month, his collaborative single "Next to You" with American singer Chris Brown has released" the has needs to be a had Hinewphonewhodis (talk) 13:26, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ - I used 'was' instead, though. Tollens (talk) 17:30, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Personal Life
Request to move Relationships and Beliefs sections before "Legal issues and controversies"


 * ✅. Moved section all the way to the bottom of Personal life. Xan747 (talk) 15:26, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 August 2023
Ref.No 162- Broken Link- "Justin Bieber Wins First Latin GRAMMY For "Despacito" Remix". Grammy. Retrieved July 5, 2021. to "Information about Justin Bieber" https://c-networth.com/justin-bieber-net-worth/ Jbikhodal (talk) 14:16, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: I have added the archive URL for that ref. Your suggested URL is a spam link that is not appropriate for Wikipedia articles. Schazjmd   (talk)  14:58, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 November 2023
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.123.255.213 (talk) 09:08, 16 November 2023 (UTC)


 * ❌ - there is no reason to delete half the infobox - Arjayay (talk) 18:33, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

New photo
Thoughts on this being the new header photo? The current one is almost a decade old.



~ Nokia621 (talk) 03:45, 7 January 2024 (UTC)


 * The image is not clear, centrally-aligned, and cropped properly. Reverted it back to the original for now. Beemer03 (talk) 10:28, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

New photo
I am changing a picture if anyone finds that inappropriate go to my talk page and i will revert my changes Rile lebz (talk) 10:10, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Is that a wax figure?--NØ 11:58, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

obvious advertisement
this is biased for example, "bieber owns a 26 million home" why do you say the price suddenly when its a celebrity? 102.222.6.97 (talk) 15:28, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 February 2024
I have bv 49.184.174.219 (talk) 10:52, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
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