Talk:Justin Bieber: Never Say Never

Other page deletion
Somebody has recently created a duplicate page of this article titled, Never Say Never (3-D film). Please help discuss the deletion of that article on its discussion page. Jedi94 talk 23:00, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Bias Control
I removed the word "exciting" from "exciting never before seen footage" because it shows bias. Never before seen footage is a neutral statement that sells the product for what it is, "exciting" is biased. It still sounds just like it should without it. I'm so good, I should be as famous as Justin Bieber for my editing skills. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.104.214.103 (talk) 01:41, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Usher2005ca, 30 January 2011
Starring: Chad Kroeger Selena Gomez Shawn Stockman

Please change Shawn Stockman to Boyz II Men because he is in the group that is in a screen with Bieber.

Please remove from Starring Chad Kroeger & Selena Gomez because they are not in the FILM.

Please add to the Cast & Starring Scooter Braun & Pattie Lynn Malette because they are both in the film as seen in clips and trailers.

Plot

The film follows Justin Bieber with footage of performances from his 2010 My World Tour. It also includes scenes of Bieber as a young child, taken from home videos

Please change "Plot The film follows Justin Bieber with footage of performances from his 2010 My World Tour. It also includes scenes of Bieber as a young child, taken from home videos" to "Justin Bieber: Never Say Never is the inspiring true story and rare inside look at the rise of Justin from street performer in the small town of Stratford, Ontario to internet phenomenon to global super star culminating with a dream sold out show at the famed Madison Square Garden in 3-D." because that is the real Plot.

Please add Sountrack:

Justin Bieber's "Never Say Never - The Remixes"

Track Listing: 1. Never Say Never (featuring Jaden Smith) 2. That Should Be Me (Remix featuring Rascal Flatts) 3. Somebody To Love (Remix featuring Usher) 4. Up (Remix featuring Chris Brown) 5. Overboard (Live - featuring Miley Cyrus) 6. Runaway Love (Kanye West Remix featuring Raekwon) 7. Born To Be Somebody

Release Date: Feb. 14, 2011

Because this is a kinda the soundtrack

http://www.cinemablend.com/dvds/Justin-Bieber-Never-Say-Never-4928.html http://justinbieber.shop.bravadousa.com/Product.aspx?cp=21965_41924&pc=BGCDJU04 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1702443/

Usher2005ca (talk) 08:48, 30 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I think most of these requests are out of date at this point. The changes you want to the Plot section are mostly point-of-view adjectives and the exact same text already appears elsewhere on the Internet (at cinemablend), to then post that exact same plot summary here would be considered plagiarism.  Not sure what to do about the soundtrack listing as IMDb is not usually considered a reliable source but I do see that the justinbieber.shop lnk is from Mr. Bieber's official website and maybe it might be permissible to use that as a source in this case? Shearonink (talk) 04:51, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Kroeger and Gomez were removed days ago. More cast will be added with official confirmation soon. The plot summary you suggested is already present somewhere else. Music from the film is already present at Never Say Never – The Remixes. Candy  o32  - Happy New Year :) 05:14, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: page moved. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 14:18, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Justin Bieber: Never Say Never (film) → Justin Bieber: Never Say Never
 * Justin Bieber: Never Say Never currently redirects to un-needed disambiguation page.
 * The title will meant the film, not the song. We always can mention the song in the film's page.-- Silvergoat (talk∙contrib) 13:44, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - I was attempting to move it yesterday before I saw that it was blocked. Also the song and the movie are not the exact same title, so it should be moved. Candy  o32  - Happy New Year :) 14:43, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Support, no need to disambiguate when the titles are different.--Kotniski (talk) 10:24, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Support as the disambiguation is unnecessary. The film title is different from the song title. Erik (talk &#124; contribs) 14:54, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Support Unnecessary disambiguation, titles not the same. - Kollision (talk) 04:26, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Nearly 3 weeks have passed, but this move request hasn't been performed. Please help! Silvergoat (talk∙contrib) 12:44, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Orphaned references in Justin Bieber: Never Say Never (film)
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Reference named "Vena": From My World (EP):  From Justin Bieber:  From Never Say Never – The Remixes:  

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Public reaction
It's probably worth mentioning that like most Justin Bieber related things this has been targeted by haters. It currently has a 1.1 on IMDB which I doubt is only due to people who've seen it, to put that in perspective Super Babies: Baby Geniuses 2 holds the number 1 spot on their bottom 100 and only has a 1.4 (this is exempt as it is classed as a documentary). The FAQ on the same site was also vandalised when I checked--78.109.186.10 (talk) 20:50, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
 * That's why Wikipedia does not use IMDb or any other user submitted scores. — Mike  Allen   00:23, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
 * We can reference CinemaScore, though! Los Angeles Times reported here, "'Never Say Never' could fade fast at the box office because many fans went to see the movie on opening weekend. Word-of-mouth should be very good, though, as the largely female audience, 60% of whom were under 18, gave it an average grade of A, according to market-research firm CinemaScore." Sounds like most of everyone who went to see it liked it! :) Erik (talk &#124; contribs) 01:20, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah Imbd shouldn't be used when talking about film ratings/rankings. Candy  o32  01:30, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Public reaction my ass. It's trolls on IMDb (see thread titled "Vote 1 Star Upon Release") that vote without seeing it because apparently they are intimidated by Bieber's success--who is someone those kids will never be.  That is all.  Yes, @Erik.  — Mike   Allen   01:50, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I definitely echo your statement MikeAllen. Candy  o32  01:54, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
 * They never said they were intimidated by his success. They simply don't like his "music". 68.204.47.18 (talk) 22:34, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
 * So let's rate a film one star that we haven't seen. No one takes IMDb users seriously to begin with.  Lol. — Mike   Allen   23:51, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Whether or not you think criticism of Bieber is justified isn't the purpose of this discussion. The massive amount of negative reactions to the film is significant. It's just as integral to the Bieber phenomenon as his success. It obviously shouldn't be included in the Critical Reception section, because audiences are not critics, but the fact that it was voted by 20,000 people on IMDB as by far the worst film in history is significant. - Anonymous —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.1.64.206 (talk) 19:04, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
 * No it is not. That's why the section is entitled "critical reception", we go by what critics say, not what users who hate Bieber on imdb. Candy  o32  19:15, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm not quite sure how to use wikipedia. But yea, I don't like IMDB cause most of those "critics" are people who waste their time on the computer, building accounts on various websites to make sure that EVERYONE knows their opinion. The only reason Justin's movie got so many bad reviews is cause the haters had nothing better to do than go and post their opinions on a movie they've probably not even seen... cause if they hate Justin Bieber, why are they going to pay $9 a ticket to go see his movie? Ijujo7 (talk) 06:37, 25 February 2011 (UTC) Anonymous
 * Because some of them are not haters (and just actually disliked the movie) or were forced to go see it with family? Also, FYI I am not "intimidated" by Bieber. I believe he is merely a product with some of the worst fans in history. I am offended by that statements he made about abortion and rape, and will never like him. Dislike does not equal intimidation/jealousy. As well, I am wondering if (on Bieber's personal page) there could be a section on the "Beliebers" and some of the stunts they have pulled (Esperanza Spalding, the attacks on Selena Gomez and Kim Kardashian)? (Probably not, but it's worth a shot - apologies for the long post.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.222.102.128 (talk) 20:34, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Precedent holds that if "user scores" show a significant disconnect from critical reception, they're generally OK to include, however in this circumstance, I think we're allowed to use common sense that these scores may amount to nothing more than pile on negative voting just because it's Justin Bieber. However, the hostile response of some of the users in this thread was completely uncalled for.  Swarm   X 22:59, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

small edit
In the Development section the word "apart" should be two words: "a part". To be "apart" relative to a film is to be away from it. To be "a part" of a film is to have something to do with it.

Paxguy (talk) 01:27, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Done. Thanks. -Atmoz (talk) 16:48, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from NeverSayNeverAl, 21 February 2011
edit semi-protected

I Know a lot of this movie and just wanted to help you Thanks !

NeverSayNeverAl (talk) 16:13, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for volunteering to edit this article. However, because of persistent vandalism this article needed to be semi-protected. What this means is that unregistered users and new accounts are unable to edit this article. However, once your account is 4 days old and you have made 10 edits to other articles, you will then be automatically be able to edit this article. Cheers. -Atmoz (talk) 16:48, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Ijujo7, 25 February 2011
edit semi-protected

The plot of the movie is incorrect. Yes, the movie features behind the scene footage of Justin Bieber and also has home videos, but it tells the story of how Justin was discovered. When Justin becomes the youngest singer in history to sell out Madison Square Garden (in 22 minutes), he suddenly gets laryngitis, and the doctors tell him to cancel the show. But he somehow conquers the laryngitis, and is able to perform for the thousands of screaming fans.

Ijujo7 (talk) 06:33, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Seems a bit detailed compared to the rest of the plot summary. -Atmoz (talk) 14:33, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

List of films considered the worst
..I love how there's a link to that right after the article. Whoever put this in, I love you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 183.87.222.219 (talk) 21:17, 8 March 2011 (UTC) Ditto. 68.204.47.18 (talk) 20:14, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry, the film isn't in that category. Candy  o32  20:58, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Worst movie ever?
34,336 IMDb users have given a weighted average vote of 1.2 / 10. 87.2%	voted 1. This must be the lowest (or one of the lowest) points for any movie on iMDB. Why not write something about that? 83.251.70.81 (talk) 15:20, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
 * IMDb user polls are not reliable. For one thing, their weighting methodology is undisclosed. More to the point, it's a self-selecting opinion poll (called a "SLOP" by academics). The problem with a SLOP is that it represents the opinions of an unknown population. In this case, we have a mysteriously weighted result from a survey of people who A) use the web, B) visit IMDb, C) looked up this particular film D) decided to vote in the poll. Perhaps the results are skewed by any number of factors that have nothing to do with the film. Maybe those taking the poll are disproportionately wealthy, urban, black men over the age of 30 who hate anything to do with the likes of Bieber. Alternately, maybe the film is even worse than the ratings suggest because IMDb attracts more 8-16 year old, white, suburban, middle class girls. Likely, it's somewhere in between. - SummerPhD (talk) 16:02, 16 April 2011 (UTC)


 * This is why this belongs in Films Considered The Worst Ever User:MonkeeJuice 4:18, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
 * If you would like to add the film there, you will need a reliable source calling it the "worst ever". At present, the critics seem to be saying, collectively, "Meh." The "worst ever" gets reviews more like this, which is included. - SummerPhD (talk) 21:42, 16 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Collectively, critics have given the film mixed to positive reviews, not even a group of critics have given negative. This is no way inclusion for the list of worst films. Candy  o32  22:25, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Grossing
" 'Justin Bieber: Never Say Never' is the highest grossing music concert movie since 1984 and the third-highest grossing documentary since 1982. " That can be read in the article, but I think the figures from the website which is used are just concerning the USA. Michael Jackson's This Is It was more succesfull around the world. MrPalpatine (talk) 12:41, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Justin Bieber's Never Say Never IS NOT the highest grossing concert movie of all time Michael Jackson's This is It: Budget 	$60 million Gross revenue 	$261,183,588 Justin Bieber's Never Say Never: Budget 	$13 million[1] Gross revenue 	$98,111,669 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iheartmjforever (talk • contribs) 06:12, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Biebers talk page
I had some questions about justin that I wanted to ask on his talk page, but it's been locked for so long, how can anyone ask for additions? Could we get that page un-protected, and check if anything goes wrong for a few days? Usually talk pages of famous people don't get targeted, as the actual info page is locked, but the lock said it would be free to test as of June, can someone please help me?184.98.114.65 (talk) 01:28, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi Jaden Scott (talk) 18:42, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

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Reference named "budget": From Crossroads (2002 film):  From Michael Jackson's This Is It: </li> <li>From Justin Bieber's Believe: Justin Bieber's 'Never Say Never' Sequel Gets $15 Million Go Ahead - UK.OMG.Yahoo.com</li> </ul>

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Semi-protected edit request on 29 March 2014
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Justin beiber — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.149.141.228 (talk) 23:36, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

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