Talk:Jutsu (Naruto)/Archive 2

Jutsu lists...
If a vast number of people used the lists, then it was an actual function of WP, was it not? Even if you want to ignore WP:IAR, WP is supposed to be a free encyclopedia, and although Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information, a comprehensive list of fictional abilities does not fall under that list, nor do they violate Wikipedia:Five pillars. The lists were not harmful to WP at all, and the assuredly hundreds users of WP who don't contribute in any way but used them now have nowhere to go. And don't try to point at a wikia, because it's incredibly hard to get momentum in a fan wikia and a large number of users don't feel the need to check some unreliable fansite. I should note that Notability (fiction)'s designation as a policy/guideline is also currently disputed, so "One time use" or not, there's no reason for it not to be there. Since a vast number of people want the lists, and a number of them have gone as far as to dispute the policy, it would seem logical for them to be reinstated. People continue to harp on about how they want the A-Z lists back. Since Wikipedia is based on consensus and I truly do not feel that consensus has been reached concerning the Jutsu lists, since Consensus can change let's try to come to an agreement on this. AeroRoy (talk) 01:10, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I am of the belief that compromises can be made, so I have come up with a solution. I have taken the archived lists of Jutsu, compiled them into one article, and placed them at Techniques - Narutopedia. Would it be acceptable for the Jutsu page to link to this website? Until it's been decided against, that's what I'll do. AeroRoy (talk) 01:49, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Better make that Category:Lists of Jutsu —Preceding unsigned comment added by AeroRoy (talk • contribs) 02:22, 27 December 2007 (UTC)


 * How is a list of attacks not an indiscriminate collection of information? A compilation of things that are of no significance to the plot and that are rarely used more than once seems to be an exact definition of "indiscriminate collection of information". Ignoring the fact that the lists were redirected four months ago and there has been no good reason to bring them back since then, precedent (1, 2, 3) is not in favor of lists of attacks. Let either of the two Naruto wikias deal with jutsu. ~SnapperTo 04:52, 27 December 2007 (UTC)


 * The lists were useful information for certain people. And although I think that the two Wikias are a nice temporary solution, one only needs to look at all of the articles on either of them that did not originate from Wikipedia to see the... drop... in quality. The one I used has fanart in the other articles. I used the lists months ago and was totally unaware that they had been changed into redirects until recently because I did not have the opportunity to refer to them, and the only time I checked the Naruto section, I was confused by all of the reductions. True, a compilation of things that are "of no significance to the plot" may be "indiscriminate information" but it was easily accessible here and people used it. It was kept up to Wikipedia's quality standards (as a form of information) and because it was used, it was a working function of WP. Not only that, but here, undisturbed as they were, the lists had a future. I believe I said before how hard it is to get momentum in a fan wiki. As I said before, a large number of people want the lists back, and without them they have nowhere reliable to go. Since the lists do not violate Wikipedia:Five pillars, specifically the last one, so there's no reason for them not to be here other than the fact that some people simply do not think they are important enough to be here. AeroRoy (talk) 17:25, 27 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Since the first pillar states that "Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information", I'll need to disagree with the idea that the lists were not against the five pillars. That the lists weren't harmful really doesn't qualify, as having an article on my kindergarten teacher wouldn't hurt either. An article on her would of course be deleted, as would all the lists were they to return.
 * As for the wikias' failings, improving them in quality (making them well-written, informative, and up-to-date) would be a good way to attract the attention of fans. Pimping them out like crazy at a high-traffic Naruto forum also couldn't hurt. And whenever it is that the wikias improve beyond copy-and-pastes of old Wikipedia articles, they'll be advertised here.
 * But really, I've never understood why you would need a list of every jutsu in the first place; 95% of the time, if you know a jutsu exists, then a description of it isn't going to tell you anything you don't already know. Those other 5% of jutsu that aren't instantly identifiable are covered in this article or with the specific character that uses it. That is the most that will ever be tolerated by fiction deletionists, and thus the most you'll be finding on Wikipedia. ~SnapperTo 22:45, 27 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Narutopedia huh? Anywho, the list of Jutsu's has already been archived here, and on the Naruto Wikia] in what I think is a neat and organized fashion in the way of splitting techniques up. Regardless, Snap is right. Its this or nothing. So buck up and accept things here or go to the Wikia of your choice. (though I would suggest the Naruto Wikia, as it is more complete...^_^)--TheUltimate3 (talk) 23:05, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Video games
If anybody plays Naruto video games, please it would be great if you put sth about these jutsu, like saying if it is the strongest, the easiest to perform, etc....^_^)--Tintor2 (talk) 21:00, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Chidori/Rasengan/Kakashi nature manipulation date confusion
In this Article, it is said "Chidori (千鳥, literally "One Thousand Birds") is an example of nature manipulation created by Kakashi Hatake after he failed to infuse his own nature manipulation with the Rasengan." while it is refrenced to chapter 321. I read the page (two page after kakashi craetes rasengan with his right hand), where kakashi says "Just regular shape manipulation  has an A rank acquisition difficulty level. At just that level, I can somehow manage to copy it". This means he had learnt rasengan through his sharigan. His recived his sharingan at a point of time after he created his chidori techniqe. So I would like to change this statement. Obviously he tried nature manipulation on rasengan long after he created chidori. He coulndt have created the chidori after he failed to add nature manipulation to rasengan. Fotte (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 13:08, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Already discussed, see Talk:Kakashi Hatake.

Tintor2(talk) 13:34, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Notability
I notice that the notability tag has been removed. However I can not see any independent sources. Taemyr (talk) 08:41, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Japan
I think this should be part of WikiProject Japan because Anime is Japanese - hope every one agrees! Akira-otomo (talk) 15:42, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Martial Arts
I think this should be part of WikiProject Japan and WikiProject Martail Arts as Anime is Japanese and this is relating to Anime and Manga, and it is about a fighting style, and though it is fictional, it is still about Martail Arts, hope you agree! thanks Akira-otomo (talk) 18:11, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

IGN quotes
I find the quotes from IGN throughout this article totally unnecessairy. IGN has virtually nothing to do with Naruto and this article really doesn't need it's two cents after every jutsu. Furthermore, nothing it adds is particularily insightful, and much is redundant or irrelevant. 76.69.165.83 (talk) 03:51, 27 January 2008 (UTC)


 * It's out-of-universe information, something the article desperately needs. If you can find something else along the same lines (and enough of it that the IGN refs aren't needed) it can be removed. ~SnapperTo 03:59, 27 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Why the heck does the article "desperately need out-of-universe information"? I mean, what good does IGN:s little fan-made fanlists do? How encyclopedic is the info provided by IGN? And why is it needed, anyway? It's a major part of a major fictional work. It's like walking into the Harry Potter pages and deleting, for example, the entry on UnforgivableCurses, because, really, they're not real, there is no out-of-universe information to provide for it. Show me these guidelines that somehow translate into "MUST HAVE Out-of-Universe info or the page will be deleted!". Yuna-chan (talk) 19:08, 30 January 2008 (UTC)


 * WP:WAF, Notability (fiction), and so on. ~SnapperTo 23:57, 30 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah... providing information about what IGN thinks of the Jutsu doesn't even give the article notibility. How about we, you know, compare the various Jutsu to actual real world Ninpo? Like the Kawarimi (which was an actual real life Jutsu) and put in a little note about the differences and similarities to real world Ninpo. Yuna-chan (talk) 03:24, 1 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, I cleaned them up so they read a little better. Hope that's acceptable. 80.42.164.92 (talk) 08:51, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Concerning weapon summoning.
Where is/was it demonstrated that "a donation of blood is required to summon" a weapon? ... I sincerly believe that this is incorrect. 217.208.24.113 (talk) 13:20, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't, TenTen is an avid weapon summoner and its never shown her offering blood to summon them. I've never seen a case where it has been a prerequisite. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ditch88 (talk • contribs) 00:35, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Does anyone know were to find the list of Jutsu?
I've been to Narutopedia and Naruto wiki and they don't have very good information. Is there a way to find the old list or find someone who has one almost as good as the old one? Plus the one they have now doesn't really have any info that's actually useful. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.111.219.80 (talk) 09:39, 29 January 2008 (UTC)


 * There isn't a way to easily link to them, so just sift through this. ~SnapperTo 23:55, 29 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Narutopedia's problem is we are nowhere near done. However there likes here that would link you to the old Wikipedia articles.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 01:16, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

jutsu release
Heh, I'm really lost... does anyone know how to correctly say "wind release, earth release, and/or lightning release"? I've got fire, water and wood releases down but nothing else. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Regenki (talk • contribs) 23:51, 29 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't know how this follows talk page guidelines. The talk pages are not forums. σмgн  gσмg  23:55, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Water jutsu/Tenten trivia, fancruft
When Tenten is contained within one of these prisons she claims she cannot breathe, but other characters have displayed the ability to remain within it for long periods of time and are even capable of speaking. (ref: Chapter 257) No my friend, it is irrelevant. --Lionelster (talk) 05:36, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) More likely Neji and Lee can hold their breath longer than she can. That is all. Not a contradiction, or as you say, "plothole".
 * 2) Even if it is one, this is not the place to point such excessively minor details out. Plus it just ruins the article's flow. Please for the sake of article quality and usefulness, avoid Fancruft.
 * Kakashi sounded nothing like he couldn't breathe when he was in Zabuza's water prison (when he spoke). He was also in there for far longer than humanly possible (time + the fact that he spoke). It's a plothole. Yuna-chan (talk) 16:21, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Mangekyo's Right and Left Eye
Zetsu mentioned that it's said that the Mangekyo's left eye is the strongest with Genjutsu, while the right is strongest with Ninjutsu. I think it should be mentioned, that "Acording to Zetsu, the Mangekyo Sharingan's left eye is rumored to be strongest with genjutsu while the right is strongest with ninjutsu." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.142.130.24 (talk) 16:43, 18 February 2008 (UTC)


 * At the moment that is only known to apply to Itachi. Kakashi's left Mangekyo doesn't seem to perform genjutsu. ~SnapperTo 19:59, 18 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree, Snap, but it should also be noted that Kakashi only has one Mangekyō, so I don't really know whether that is the case. That being said, let's wait for some verifiability. Sasuke9031 (talk) 20:02, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Kakashi's Mangekyo
I was reading the chapter where Itachi explains the origin of the Mangekyo and realized something that may be pretty important: in the manga is explains that when taken from your brother, the Mangekyo gains new abilities. Is it possible that the simple act of transferrance triggers the activation of the Mangekyo, or at least creates the possibility of gaining the eye? Kakashi couldn't maintain constant usage of the Sharingan at the best of times, and use of the Mangekyo seems to wipe him out. There has been much speculation about how Kakashi gained his version in the first place (which seems to have different abilities than Itachi's) and this is just about the only one that makes sense to me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thunder-bald (talk • contribs) 23:31, 24 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Its a nice theory, but It has been shown what the Mangekyou looks like when transfered, and its nothing like Kakashis. Also, i think that rule only applies to Uchihas. And the reason it whipes him out is because of the tremendous chakra use, the Sharingan uses chakra because Kakashi is not an Uchiha.  Rau  J16  23:46, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Organizing Kekkei Genkai
Here's a thought. Now that Kekkei Genkai is merged into the Jutsu article, perhaps it should be a good idea to organize the Sharigan, Byakugan, etc under it. Just a suggestion for now. ZeroGiga 03:14, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

List of Jutsu
. I was just wondering if someone had a link to the old page which had the list of ninjutsu, not just the recurring ones, and if they had the same for taijutsu, genjutstu, eccetera. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.149.155.116 (talk) 17:34, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Crappy Recurring Jutsu List
A bunch of jutsus, that appear often, aren't there. Most of Sasuke's fire jutsu aren't there, even Chidori nagini (Nagashi) or however you spell it. The replacement jutsu is other one too. The water jutsus need more than just a small paragraph, I mean if Pein is in rain country you know there's going to be quite a few more of those. The new Recurring Jutsus list needs a big update. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.111.219.80 (talk) 21:31, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree with you completely. If someone would care to send me a message, I will happily post the jutsu, and their descriptions. I have them all saved..send me a message Tenraiyouso (talk) 03:55, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Some Questions/Comments/Suggestions
The reason why I am not making these corrections myself is that while I read the guidelines, I still do not completely have a hang of them. As such I would like to outline the possible errors and omissions first to see if they are inkeeping with policy. Also I have to go back and get the exact primary source for the infomation.

The first is about the sharingan. Wasn't it written that the reason for its "ability to track and predict movement" is that it is able to see the movement of chakra (stated in one of the more reecent manga volumes)? Also the editor for this section describes the sharingan's third ability as "a unique brand of hypnosis". Isn't this referred to in the series as genjutsu (all genjutsu are a type of hypnosis)?

Can the rock-paper-scissors nature of elemental ninjutsu be included, that is, fire>wind>lightning>earth>water>fire>...?

Should the list here be grouped according to its designation under ninjutsu, taijutsu, and genjutsu or should it just be labelled as such under the current format? 190.58.186.99 (talk) 20:20, 20 March 2008 (UTC)


 * And here we run into another problem with the deleted lists. While the complete list was just way too much fancruft, the fact that there is no distinction between Nin-, Gen-, and/or Taijutsu in the recurring jutsu section is of grave concern, especially after being forced to move some kekkei genkai over here as a result of a disruptive AFD (I'm surprised it hasn't been brought to DRV, but I'm not going to be the one to do so, as I am supposed to be bold, not stupid.).  I agree with separating the recurring jutsu into distinct categories as long as it remains on this page.  As for the elemental jutsu info, that is pure speculation and as such is not allowed.


 * Now for the Sharingan question, as that is a matter in which I am very familiar with. Though it is true that genjutsu in and of itself is a unique brand of hypnosis, the Sharingan is different because it forces a user to do a certain jutsu or move in a certain pattern, as demonstrated when Kakashi beat Zabuza the first time.  As for the prediction theory, a Sharingan can see and predict the movement of chakra for everything except a bijū, and by extention, a jinchūriki.  That is why Sasuke had such a hard time not using that third Chidori against Gaara, and why when Naruto went one-tails, Sasuke could not predict the movements.  The only possible way to predict a bijū's movements is with Mangekyō Sharingan, the next level, which was demonstrated be Madara when he had Kyūbi destroy Konoha 12 years before the main storyline.

Hope that answers your questions. Sasuke9031 (talk) 00:58, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

I do not think that the elemental jutsu rock-paper-scissors is speculative since Kakashi and Yamato explained it to Naruto (just before the fights against Hidan and Kazuzu). When he was training to further develop his rasengan they said that--everything else being equal--his is wind type chakra affinity is a good counter for Sasuke's chidori but would backfire if used against sasuke's fire jutsu. I should also have been more specific and said that a function does not carry across other functions (i.e. while water beats fire, this does not at all imply that water also beats wind).

And how descriptive am I allowed to get? I do not want to make the effort to improve the page only to have everything deleted. Avoiding all fancruft, would it be okay to include in the definition of Sharingan:
 * The Sharingan (写輪眼, Sharingan? literally "Copy Wheel Eye," English manga "Mirror Wheel Eye") (excerpt from current def)
 * ocular Kekkei Genkai unique to the Uchiha clan
 * The Sharingan is thought to be descended from the Byakugan,[34] but grants the user different abilities and a different insight.   (excerpt from current def)
 * The Sharingan does not automatically appear from birth in a user.... (excerpt from current def)
 * strength is dependent on its level of evolution (i.e. number of tomoe in the eye, with a maximum of three in each) and its mastery by the user
 * enables owner to use a particular form for mind-controlling genjutsu; sense and predict the movement of chakra of everything except bijū; copy many types of basic jutsu. In order to reproduce copied jutsu, however, one must have the necessary skill or ability to perform them
 * The characters who currently possess the Sharingan include Sasuke Uchiha, Itachi Uchiha, Kakashi Hatake, and Tobi. (excerpt from current def)
 * It is possible to transplant Sharingan eyes from one person.... (excerpt from current def)
 * IGN has described the Sharingan as one of the best abilities.... (excerpt from current def)

Would putting only these points in paragraph form satisfy the editors?

Thankyou for the feedback 190.58.184.27 (talk) 03:38, 21 March 2008 (UTC)


 * The rock-paper-scissors concept is already covered in the chakra section. And I'm not really sure what you're asking/wanting to do about the Sharingan. Could you clarify? ~SnapperTo 03:57, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Sharingan users
shouldn't we put that madara can use it too. since he was practically the first to have sharingan. and we should put a list of people that can use the Mangekyo Sharingan, Kakashi, Itachi, Madara. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.214.76.123 (talk) 15:45, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Shouldn't we add something about the mangekyo sharingan giving its user eternal life after they have taken their siblings eyes. It should be added because it is clearly stated by itachi in chapter 385 of the manga while fighting sasuke,

Madara and his brother got their eyes by training... No way in the manga did it show they gained it by killing their closest friend. This shows the eyes can be obtained by training, just like how kakashi did with his. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.26.136.5 (talk) 07:23, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

I dunno, I think I saw some blood splattering in the manga right before Itachi explains that they both obtained it. I think that was supposed to be a self-explanatory reference to the requirement.68.48.140.194 (talk) 12:01, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Byakugan
Chapter 394 Sakura and Hinata has a conversation which Sakura asks maybe Tobi's ability is a genjutsu and Hinata says she already thought of that and extended her byakugan's range to see if his chakra was still there...It doesn't seem like a new ability, but at the same token it also seems that it implies that the byakugan has some abilities to help against genjutsu?68.1.120.5 (talk) 17:38, 21 March 2008 (UTC)


 * She was looking for other chakra sources in the area, ie. the Tobi casting the genjutsu. It's not new. ~SnapperTo 18:35, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Partially that. Also, she was looking to see if Tobi's chakra was where it was supposed to be, ie. in his body.68.48.140.194 (talk) 12:06, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

That's the problem I'm having with this statement. I mean if genjutsu is supposed to trick to person's senses...than why would expanding the byakugan's range help in that scenerio?68.1.120.5 (talk) 19:03, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Kakashi doesn't have a mangekyo
In my opinion, Kakashi doesn't have a Mangekyo. when did he ever say it was a mangekyo? the reasons i say this are that Itachi said there are only 3 techniques, Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu, and Susano. which none have the ability of Kakashi's Mangekyo. it could be just a powered up version of the Sharringan, that can only be obtained by training. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.214.76.123 (talk) 23:01, 26 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Volume 31, chapter 276, page 4, panel 1. --JadziaLover (talk) 01:22, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * then explain y it has an ability that Itachi's Mangekyo didn't have. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.214.76.123 (talk) 21:13, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Maybe because it isn't Itachi's Mangekyō? --JadziaLover (talk) 21:31, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Because we dont have absolute knowledge over Mangekyō? as far as we know he could have it but not used yet? or every mangekyou has different kindda techniques?? --Fotte (talk) 21:08, 28 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Itachi said there are only 3 techniques of the Mangekyo Sharingan, Tsukuyomi,Amaterasu, Susanou. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.214.76.123 (talk) 23:06, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

He never said "only" and it has never been commented what is the main point of the mangekyo sharingan. It has only been mentioned the user will become more powerful. Kakashi also commented he has a mangekyo sharingan after fighting against Kazuku and told to Naruto that he would have used it.--Tintor2 (talk) 23:20, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Itachi said that the Left eye holds Tsukuyomi, the Right eye holds Amaterasu, and when you have mastered both, you obtain the Susanou. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.214.76.123 (talk) 16:35, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The first two items are true, although Zetsu said it, and the latter item was never stated in the series. In any case, this is not a forum for your conjecture. Sephiroth BCR  ( Converse ) 18:08, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Kakashi never used any techniques with his Mangekyō Sharingan. All he did was use its abilities.71.249.55.78 (talk) 22:03, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

He didnt use the techniques of Itachi. The databooks never confirms that every user that gains the mangekyo will use tsukuyomi, amaterasu or susanoo. When Itachi commented that Madara and his brother won the Mangekyo Sharingan, the two brothers had different Mangekyo Sharingan (chapter 386, page 6).Tintor2 (talk) 00:24, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Jutsu List
Is there page holds the list of jutsu in clean sort order?--Fotte (talk) 21:17, 28 March 2008 (UTC)


 * We got rid of it. It was decided only major jutsu should be mentioned. Artist Formerly Known As Whocares (talk) 21:18, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism/unsupported claims?
One of his friends who was dieing in a local hospital told the nurses to take one of his Mangekyo Sharingan eyes and give it to Kakashi since he lost his left eye during the battle.

That was at the bottom of the Mangekyou Sharingan section. I am suspicious. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.107.60.55 (talk) 20:06, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

That is SOMEWHAT true. Uchiha Obito was dying in battle and asked his team-mate, Rin, to implant one of his Sharingan eyes into Kakashi. HE WAS NOT IN A HOSPITAL. RIN IS A MEDIC-NIN, NOT A NURSE. IT WAS THE REGULAR SHARINGAN, NOT THE MANGEKYO. So basically, it's vandalism. Check the Kakashi Gaiden in the manga (between Naruto and Shippuden arcs), it's not in the anime. IceUnshattered (talk) 23:40, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Sasuke's Mangekyou
Sasuke was also a person who obtained a Mangekyou without killing a friend are you people forgetting about kakashi?-- The Last Uchiha  17:20, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, who even knows where Kakashi's came from? For all we know, some low level ANBU who he taught might have "disappeared."

(Not likely though.)

What I'm wondering is, wasn't Sasuke's a one shot deal? I mean, I saw the design, but I thought it was just Amaterasu transferring, and being awakened for that one kill that didn't actually occur? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.34.118.15 (talk) 01:44, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

oh god >< read kakashi gaiden if you want to know where kakashi got his sharingan-- The Last Uchiha  09:19, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

The Last Uchiha, I think he was referring to how he got his Mangekyou Sharingan, not his Sharingan. and Im not 100% sure but its heavily implied by Madara that it was a one shot deal. Ditch88 (talk) 01:12, 16 April 2008 (UTC)


 * oh ok but it wasn't even said or implied that it was a one shot deal-- The Last Uchiha  09:55, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

IGN favoritism
Continuous use of " IGN says" " IGN, a popular bla bla bla", we dont really need to know ign's input as it isnt relevant, perhaps if someone wishedto know IGN's stance they would go to IGN's website?

it should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.219.220.139 (talk) 16:11, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

An important part of fiction articles is their subjects' reviews and receptions. It would be nice if you read up on notability before you started passing your "oh-so-important" judgement.  Stardust Dragon  01:24, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Elements
Shouldn't we list the 5 elements in the jutsu section? Fire Wind Water Lightning Earth —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.123.228.163 (talk)

Are they Jutsu's used in Naruto? If not then it's probably better to link to the appropriate page. I think Classical elements in popular culture still exists. Taemyr (talk) 07:53, 21 April 2008 (UTC)


 * That should be under Chakra.  Stardust Dragon  14:36, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Byakugan: nearly 4π steradian vision?
I know that it is merely a matter of technical correctness, but isn't it more correct to list the Byakugan as having nearly 4π steradian vision instead of nearly 360 vision? It would more correct to talk about solid angles instead of angles in this case. Lore aura (talk) 10:53, 30 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Who the hell cares?  Stardust Dragon  05:12, 25 June 2008 (UTC)


 * 360 degrees also works to describe a three dimensional view range. It works how it is. MarMink 13:41, 27 July 2008 (EST) —Preceding unsigned comment added by MarMink (talk • contribs)

Sasuke's Mangekyo Sharingan
Well because this is the smartest group of people I can find, I come to you for answers. *clears throat* How exactly did Sasuke awaken his Mangekyo? Was it the death of Orochimaru, or the death of Itachi that gave him the eyes. And to add to that, his Sasuke's eyes the "Eternal" Mangekyo, or just the standard? I'm asking here because this is the best place to get facts.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 17:53, 30 May 2008 (UTC)


 * According to tobi in chapter 401, he mentioned he awoke his OWN mangekyo sharingan due to the death of itachi, it never states is a eternal version (as far as I know).Tintor2 (talk) 18:13, 30 May 2008 (UTC)


 * So its reasonable to say that Itachi was Sasuke's sacrafice.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 18:49, 30 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, I would say that, though Sasuke never thought and he did not technicallly killed Itachi.Tintor2 (talk) 19:58, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Another way of getting Mangekyo
Madara said to Sasuke that Itachi wanted Sasuke to kill him, to obtain is own Mangekyo, by the death of the person closest to him. so that means the Mangekyo can be obtained by this way also. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.217.220.218 (talk) 23:38, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

It has to be the death of someone close to him not closest, at least thats what Madara said to Sasuke.--Amp99 (talk) 18:51, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Right you are. Itachi used Orochimaru for the dojutsu transfer, and then himself for Sasuke's actual Mangekyo. Sasuke9031 (talk) 22:15, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Rin'negan
Hey, can someone put the information about Rin'negan? --Viznaren (talk) 10:00, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Try here. Sasuke9031 (talk) 10:05, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Named attacks?
Is there a catalogue of the various "called shots" or named attacks that come up in the show, used as part of a jutsu? Some of them are mentioned in this article, like "Water Release: Water Encampment Wall". Some are not, such as Kakashi's "Thousand Years of Pain". ~Amatulić (talk) 20:48, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

on the rasengan story
there seems to be a problem there in all the books i have read on naruto i havent the part were kakashi has lerned how to use rasengan and it says that he has been tought by minato


 * Check chapter 321. ~SnapperTo 00:23, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Should We Include Jutsu Lists?
maybe we should have a page that lists the ninjutsu, a page that list genjutsu, another page for taijutsu. Or we could sort it by fire style, water style, etc., but i favor the first method. KyuubiVsShukaku (talk) 02:47, 7 August 2008 (UTC)


 * That happened back when DVD wasn't even invented yet, but has been deleted. Any further attempts will probably result in deletion.  Sasuke9031 (talk) 05:39, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

what??? i dont see why. if wikipedia wont allow it then go to this site: leafninja.com KyuubiVsShukaku (talk) 15:14, 7 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Or maybe we can put somewhere in the article a link to a website that lists all the jutsu ,such as leafninja.com Nukedoom (talk) 16:21, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Or maybe we can follow wikipedia guidelines and not waste space with shit like this. 207.80.142.5 (talk) 18:30, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Please, remain civil. Scapler (talk) 21:42, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Images
I am going to try to sort through the anime for more screenshots of mentioned techniques, as I think they certainly help illustrate the concepts. If anyone owning the mangas would help find images of the jutsu only available there, it would help as well. Scapler (talk) 02:38, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Lotus
I added the lotus technique to the recurring jutsu section, as it is a very common and frequently used technique by both Rock Lee and Might Guy, and the technique has been adapted by both Sasuke and Naruto. So, the technique is used frequently in the series by multiple characters, as the section states. Scapler (talk) 16:36, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

All right, why is transformation gone?
The two most BASIC ninja techniques, transformation and replacement jutsus, are completely gone, no mention of them whatsoever. You could argue all you want, but nothing anyone says will change my mind that these two techniques at least deserve a mention. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.87.69.48 (talk) 02:53, 21 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Why should techniques whose names are self explanatory receive sections? I'd think anyone with at least a poor knowledge of the English language could figure out what they do. Transformation Technique - transforms user. Body Replacement Technique - replaces user with something else. ~SnapperTo 03:50, 21 August 2008 (UTC)


 * However, though I agree the titles of the jutsus are self-explanatory, the jutsus themselves should probably be mentioned at least once in the article, since they are so fundamental. One cannot expect someone who knows little of the series to come to the article with the knowledge of these techniques. I think they should at least be given short expanations. Scapler (talk) 01:04, 22 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Alright, the one sentence you added should suffice for such simple jutsus. Thanks! Scapler (talk) 14:53, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Eight Gates redirect here
Guys, I'm looking for information on the military formation mentioned in the Romance of the Three Kingdoms chapter 36, why am I redirected to a naruto page?? Aurora sword (talk) 14:08, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Kakashi's Mangekyo Sharingan
Hey, why is the picture of Kakashi's Mangekyo Sharingan being deleted from that section? it is relevant  M a t t h e w   Blah, Blah, Blah 09:17, 20 November 2008 (UTC)


 * The article is already using a lot of images and the is also used in Kakashi Hatake. Apart from that, all Mangekyo Sharingan are different, the image does not help here.Tintor2 (talk) 11:00, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

IGN Polling
A while back, I removed some content from a series of Naruto pages about popularity polling. I'm wondering why the IGN polling here regarding the usefulness of certain Jutsu is even relevant to the article at all. Rockhound (talk) 12:53, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Reception is relevant. Scapler (talk) 02:41, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Please explain your position further. Rockhound (talk) 01:59, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Existence of One Tomoe Sharingan
There is no mention of one tomoe sharingan in manga or anime. In Kakashi Gaiden when Obito activates his sharingan for the first time it had two tomoes. Same applies to Sasuke in the figth against Haku. So the information given in this page is incorrect and should be changed —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.99.67.164 (talk) 16:50, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Actually if you see Sasukes flash back in volume 44 he has a 1 tomoe Sharingan which he forgets he unlocked. -Anonymous —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.128.128.217 (talk) 21:09, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Reception?
What happened to the reception section? Scapler (talk) 20:47, 8 December 2008 (UTC)


 * It was eaten by a hidden message from Mangekyo. Fixed.Tintor2 (talk) 22:53, 8 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks, there were so many edits to go through... Scapler (talk) 23:02, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Jutsus and they're hand seals?????
What the hell? Does this need to be here?? I have deleted it... M a t t h e w  Blah, Blah, Blah 13:32, 20 November 2008 (UTC) and doese anybody know how kakashi even has sharinghan, is iot part of his clan for just one eyed sharinghan or is it that the scar at his eye their becuase the eye was put in or what? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mastertoad (talk • contribs) 16:24, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The eye was transplanted from Kakashi's friend who was as dying member of the clan. Scapler (talk) 20:48, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * What exactly did you delete? Scapler (talk) 22:45, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * He deleted all the information about the hand signs, monkey, ox boar etc. That was very integral to this, and therefore a poor move on his part. Can anyone replace?Kahlzun (talk) 12:03, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Overhaul
Added a reception section. Only existing concern for real world information is replacing this ref with the actual Shonen Jump interview. Whole article generally needs some cleanup for the in-universe stuff though. The title of "Basic information" can probably be changed to "Jutsu types," "Cursed mark jutsu" can probably be removed seeing how it's redundant to the description of Orochimaru's cursed seals (which is basically the only significant cursed seal in the series given how we never talk about the Hyuga cursed seal anymore). Section probably should be reordered Ninjutsu-Genjutsu-Taijutsu-Kekkai Genkai-Sealing Jutsu-Senjutsu for better flow in any case.

As for the recurring jutsu, is this the finalized list of what we want to include? I generally agree with all the items, although I think "Gentle Fist" could probably be merged under the "Byakugan" heading. Also, on to the subject of images, we currently have six non-free images, which is a bit excessive (3-5 is what we're shooting for). The hand seals one can probably go, seeing as it's really twelve (!) images combined and has the weakest fair use standing. Chidori and Rasengan images are locks. I like the chakra diagram image and the Byakugan image. The cursed seal one can probably go in favor of a real Sharingan image (the free one, aside from being awful, would have problems when this goes to a GA review). So, yeah, thoughts, comments all welcome. — sephiroth bcr  ( converse ) 17:05, 17 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I concur. I can start on that once I finish my other two projects, assuming nobody beats me to it. ~SnapperTo 03:55, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I like what is being done so far, the change is rather astounding, and the reception section definitely gives the article legitimacy. Scapler (talk) 11:53, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Nice work. I think the sexy technique could be removed. Its just joke used by Naruto and Konohamaru that could be shortly explained in their section/article.Tintor2 (talk) 16:49, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Really? If it is removed, i think it could at least be mentioned somewhere as being used to help Konohamaru learn Rasengan, right? Sasuke9031 (talk) 20:26, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


 * How so? Konohamaru incorrectly believed that the steps to learning Rasengan described the components of a big-busted-fantasy. Maybe that helped motivate him, but the Sexy Technique and its offshoots had little to do with actually using the Rasengan. ~SnapperTo 20:33, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


 * So are we agreed on removing the Sexy Technique? And in any case, as soon as the in-universe content is reorganized (*pokes Snapper for a rewrite*), I can perform a copy-edit and we can send this to WP:GAN, which hopefully will 1) end my perpetual worries of this getting deleted/merged 2) provide an example for similar articles. — sephiroth bcr  ( converse ) 15:30, 21 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I believe so; it was only re-added for the first time a few weeks ago so there's little attachment to it. And I'm done with the first of my two projects. Should finish the second in time for axe-mass. ~SnapperTo 20:59, 21 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I disagree on the proposed removal of Sexy Jutsu. I think it's a great example of both the nuanced humor in the show, as well as a utility jutsu employed by the main character. Rockhound (talk) 13:11, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Images
The article is using five images right now. With all the examples we have about rasengan vs chidori, we could upload one of those images and add it to the lead, to show an introduction to jutsu as well as to reduce images. What do you think?Tintor2 (talk) 13:39, 31 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The anime doesn't offer a lot of good options where both the Rasengan and Chidori are depicted at the same time, as Naruto and Sasuke have only two battles. This (or this if you don't mind face obstruction) is the best I could find. You could try joining the front and back covers of the art book, but that might still count as five images. ~SnapperTo 20:21, 31 December 2008 (UTC)


 * In those images, they illustrate Rasengan well, but readers will assume that the Chidori is just a flash of brilliant white light. If we cannot find a picture which illustrates both well, I do not believe we should replace them. If having five pictures is what is needed to provide illustrative, encyclopedic content to the user, so be it. We should not sacrifice quality of information to reduce images. Scapler (talk) 02:03, 2 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't think it's a big deal that we're using five images. We're in the discretionary area, so I think it's fine. Per Snapper, the amount of times we have Rasengan and Chidori in the same image is so rare that it's not worth it in terms of the sacrifice in image quality. BTW, as soon as the rest of the article is sourced, I'll perform a copy-edit, and we can drag this to WP:GAN. Kudos to Snapper for the rewrite also. — sephiroth bcr  ( converse ) 02:35, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Sexy Jutsu
Why was it removed?--Timtak (talk) 03:27, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Maybe because it wasn't used frequently enough to be counsidered adding to the page. as far as I can tell(I'm only 84 eps in) the Sexy Jutsu has only been used like, twice, maybe three times by Naruto. Andy5421 (talk) 07:04, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Spoiler warning?
It seems like there should really be a spoiler warning at the top or in some other prominent place, especially if there is going to be content in the article that has not been revealed in the anime yet. There is a pretty high demographic of Naruto fans that watch the anime but either don't read the manga or are not all the way caught up with it, and having stuff in here like Naruto's father is the fourth Hokage is a pretty big spoiler (and does not add much to the Rasengan section imo). Plus, probably a lot of the people that will be reading this page are relatively new fans trying to learn more about jutsus, which makes even a better case for either a spoiler warning or excluding some of these important plot elements from much later in the story. Since I am not that familiar with editing or the formatting that such a message would need, I didn't add this myself, but considering it would be helpful to readers and easy to do, I think it should be seriously considered.

Jeff.Powelson (talk) 15:25, 23 June 2009 (UTC)


 * WP:Spoiler. As for the part about Naruto's father, that's mentioned to indicate the string of connections between Rasengan users. ~SnapperTo 17:25, 23 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't really care whether or not the part about Naruto's father stays; I don't think it really belongs in this section, but that wasn't my point. My point was that if plot elements are going to be revealed that appear in the manga but have not yet appeared in the anime, I think there should be a warning somewhere.  I think that a lot of the "mainstream" Naruto fans either only watch the anime, and people like that could be reading this article and having things spoiled for them.  Unless anyone strongly opposes, I think I'm going to add a brief warning. Jeff.Powelson (talk) 02:01, 4 July 2009 (UTC)


 * "WP:Spoiler". ~SnapperTo 03:50, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Kuso Clone Technique?
If I remember correctly, the English name for it is "Shadow Clone Jutsu". That's what it's referred as in the anime and the games. 75.157.110.77 (talk) 02:18, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Sage Mode Jutsu
Anyone else think that Gaara has had something to do with this? He's got the eyes, and mostly stands stock-still all battle long.... Kahlzun (talk) 12:32, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Body Flicker
Shouldn't include the body flicker technique, because now Naruto can use it, and many other characters have been able to use it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Phoenix827 (talk • contribs) 00:00, 13 December 2011 (UTC)