Talk:Jvke

Pronunciation
Pronounced Jake not Juke — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a00:23c6:6c90:2701:963:5beb:dfce:8a44 (talk) 17:48, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

JVKE task force
I have created a new task force for this article for everyone who has been improving and participating to give me some support and help me give this article more text, sources and other articles for his music


 * Join link: Wikipedia:WikiProject JVKE or search it up

NYMan6 (talk) 00:55, 19 November 2022 (UTC)


 * I moved this to WikiProject Internet culture/JVKE task force, but have to question whether this is really necessary as discussion on this talk page can cover this. Other editors may opt to redirect that to here. AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 01:39, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Now I'm requesting MFD on it. See Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Internet culture/JVKE task force AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 01:46, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh yes that page was a accidental mistake, I know the talk page is needed but there are some problems with this article, and I'm trying to build up a force to end it, There are many steps I added that will take time, that's why I made the page but it is not the JVKE task force it is Wikipedia:WikiProject JVKE.
 * NYMan6 (talk) 13:38, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I think this is definitely necessary for now NYMan6 (talk) 13:39, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

Stub

 * I would like to know about the stub, as well as this article is way bigger than most stub articles on the Wikipedia site, and there are new sources appearing. NYMan6 (talk) 13:41, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I've removed the stub tag because another editor just rated this page as start-class article. The size of a page isn't always the best criteria to measure development. This page is well underway towards what we would call B-class, but here's the thing: you have a (growing) number of sources and only a few meet the criteria of WP:Reliable sources. Some certainly do. The subject meets WP:Verifiability. The question remains: does the subject meet policies of WP:Biographies of living persons and WP:Notability? I am impressed with the work you've put into this so far, and since the page is new, I've been reluctant to interrupt your steady progress. I will ask you boldly, do you have some association with the subject? I can see other accounts have tried to create this page recently. BusterD (talk) 04:17, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I'll tell you right now, I don't but I have been following his career closely. 2022 seems like the year, enough sources came in to make the article, I can see that other accounts have tried to make this, but were unsucessful.Yes, thank you very much, I actually am impressed myself, but I think this article was one that needed to enter. Thank you very much, Yes, this article is going towards B-Class which I'll say is amazing! Yes, I'll work on the sources. This morning I'll add more songs to the article, as well as probably some more text. He does meet Verifability, which is great! I find it not only impressing for me but for the people also working on this article, I love the amount of progress I've made, I don't mean to be recognized by the actual singer (JVKE) but I hope this article will be notable like other's
 * Thank you
 * NYMan6 (talk) 15:49, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. I'll accept your answer in good faith. As opposed to adding more detail (again, it isn't the size of your article...) I'd focus on finding some really high quality sources, which will be available soon, based on the recent coverage. Perhaps there's some resonance on the recent television appearance. Talk shows often have fan pages or blogs which themselves would not be acceptable sources, but the chatter on which might lead you to these links. The standard is: significant coverage directly detailing the subject in multiple independent reliable sources. We need three or four to prevent the page from facing deletion process. I'm seeing Eggerton at Billboard, Zellner at Billboard, Renezeder at CelebSecrets, and Doby at The Hype as your best four. The last two aren't awesome, and while Billboard is money, all of these links are routine entertainment news and you are looking for diverse sources as well. The Mwenesi is cool but I wouldn't count that towards the minimum. It's arguable. Dougray at Cranston Herald is local coverage, and mostly interview so arguable, and not counting towards notability. Howabout this from Variety? This page indicates the Mwenesi was not an isolated incident, it's word for word. Broadway World is nice. Daily Illini is a college newspaper but a good one. Once you've anchored a page with RS, then you can use lesser sources like interviews to help detail.
 * Remember, you are writing about a human being, not merely the image of a human being. You are wise to look at the BLP link I gave you above and read about the risks in covering a person without protecting them appropriately. Tread carefully. I'm going to mark this page as reviewed, but I'm trusting you to be careful and ask for help. Deal? BusterD (talk) 17:57, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, I understand and obviously deal! NYMan6 (talk) 20:41, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

Capitalization
From what I can tell, the moniker seems to be universally printed in all caps as JVKE. Are there compelling reasons to ignore this yet maintain the v? —151.132.206.250 (talk) 15:28, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia does not use stylizations such as all caps or all lower case, either for artists or for records. Richard3120 (talk) 15:36, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
 * The substitution of A for V is a stylization, and one that only makes sense capitalized (v does not by any stretch resemble an upside-down lowercase a). Again I ask, are there any compelling reasons to retain that and insist on lowercase? Edit: MOS:TM says to use standard capitalization rules as long as this is a style already in widespread use, rather than inventing a new one. As far as I can tell, Jvke is a new style invented here. Please correct me if I’m mistaken. —151.132.206.250 (talk) 15:45, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree that the rules here are a mess and contradictory, I've wanted clarification on this for years. I'm just telling you why all caps have been ignored. Richard3120 (talk) 16:08, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Some sources use "Jvke". The CelebVogue source used on the article does (no comment on its reliability, I'm simply saying Wikipedia didn't "invent" it). That being said, there would be no point in pointing out the all caps stylization in the lead if we already capitalize it, e.g. "JVKE (stylized in all caps)", and the article text should match where the article is located at the moment, which is at "Jvke". Please stop changing it to all caps until the article is located at JVKE. Start a move request, and then you'll have a compelling argument for maintaining the all caps in article prose.  Ss  112   06:44, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing out that source. Would be great to see some more-clearly reliable sources using it, if it’s a stylization we want to stick with. Otherwise the page should be moved. —151.132.206.250 (talk) 14:20, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 28 November 2022

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: not moved. Per consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 22:27, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

Jvke → JVKE – As far as I can tell, every source that is more reliable than Wikipedia itself refers to the subject exclusively as JVKE, and we should defer to common usage per MOS:TM. Additionally, the V in the name represents an upside-down A in the name Jake, a substitution which only works with capital letters; an upside-down a looks nothing like a v. If we reject the letter-case stylization, it would make more sense for us to reject any stylization whatsoever and insist on calling the subject by his legal name. Since we haven't done so, we should follow reliable sources. 151.132.206.250 (talk) 16:55, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. See MOS:ALLCAPS. 162 etc. (talk) 17:13, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per 162—blindlynx 18:09, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
 * That section itself defers to MOS:TM on the subject of trademarks, which reads in part: When deciding how to format a trademark, editors should examine styles already in use by independent reliable sources. From among those, choose the style that most closely resembles standard English – regardless of the preference of the trademark owner. Do not invent new styles that are not used by independent reliable sources. If there are reliable sources that use the Jvke stylization, I’ll support it. However, I’ve only seen one such source, and of dubious quality. Edit: The most relevant bit would be: Follow standard English text formatting and capitalization practices, even if the trademark owner considers nonstandard formatting "official", as long as this is a style already in widespread use, rather than inventing a new one: (emphasis added) —151.132.206.250 (talk) 18:27, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Page naming policy suggests the proper outcome may be move to Jacob Lawson, which is now a redirect to this page. I'm not suggesting a change in this RM at this time. We should address the allcaps issue first. In this process, I'd oppose move per MOS:ALLCAPS. BusterD (talk) 21:17, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per 162 Not an initialism or acronym.  AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 21:44, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per my comments above. Wikipedia didn't "invent" the lower-case iteration and I think decapitalising this, like we've decapitalised most other all-caps musician names in the past, should trump the amount of sources that do capitalise it. If the page is moved, I have nothing against actually printing the all-caps JVKE in the lead to show that the V is intended to be an upside-down A rather than just noting "stylized in all caps".  Ss  112   10:03, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
 * If Jvke is demonstrably in actual use, by all means let’s keep it. Could you give some examples? The only one I’ve seen is CelebVogue, which appears to be one person’s blog that, at the time I checked, had a recent post reading: Here, you can acquire adequate information regarding the biography of Name including …. (The subject of that post was not known as Name.) Are there others that render JVKE in lowercase? —151.132.206.250 (talk) 22:39, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
 * That is what I was referring to. (Even ESL websites like CelebVogue are not "one person's blog", by the way. It's a 'generic celebrity information' website designed to come up when people type in keywords about people, not a blog.) I haven't checked to see if there are other sources, but my point is we didn't invent it. The fact it's even in one other source means Wikipedia did not "invent" it.  Ss  112   02:22, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I’m not sure what you mean by “ESL,” but every post on that site is credited to Josh M. Jones. Either one man is responsible for every word on there, or it’s mostly machine-generated content. Either way, I don’t think we can take that site as being representative of real-world use in any capacity. You implied earlier that multiple sources print the name in lowercase. Such as? —151.132.206.250 (talk) editing from 96.8.24.95 03:48, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
 * "Josh M. Jones" sounds like the fakest white man name somebody could make up. It's machine-generated clickbait, and the few actual pieces on sites like that are written by people who clearly speak English as a second language, hence "ESL". I trust you've heard of that acronym before. Please stop attempting to interrogate me on my talk page. Your switching of IP addresses is strange and confusing—you replied to my edit summary that I did not want a response on, on a different IP address. Your removal of CelebVogue from the article or trying to interrogate me or anybody here for example of sources, plural that decapitalise "Jvke" is not going to help the article be moved to JVKE. Clearly editors here believe common-sense decapitalisation should trump the amount of sources that use "JVKE". This "decapitalisation of a stylisation over amount of sources" has happened before—for example, just about every damn EDM producer capitalises their name. News sources fall into line, users say "but what about these articles all doing this" and we still don't end up capitalising their names. Jvke is just the latest example of somebody popular at the moment who capitalises their name that you're focusing on, and he will be far from the last. As it seems to really bother you, you might have more success lobbying an MOS talk page and decrying the lack of consistency on following what "most sources do" there. It's obviously not happening here for you.  Ss  112   05:54, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
 * MOS:TM says to use a style that is in widespread use, which has been my whole point from the start. Any reasonable person would consider that to mean “multiple sources” at bare minimum. As the all-caps version appears to be used nigh-universally, the burden of proof is naturally on those who claim otherwise. You have claimed otherwise, therefore I ask for evidence. That’s all. I’m not sure why you’re mischaracterizing this discussion as an interrogation, or why you found it objectionable that I literally answered a question that you asked me, but please stop this bad-faith argumentation. —151.132.206.250 (talk) 19:04, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Discography
I want to know about a vote or poll between our editors for a new discography article 73.17.35.238 (talk) 20:40, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't think one album and three singles is enough for a separate article just yet. Richard3120 (talk) 21:05, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
 * There is actually a lot more singles we haven´t put NYMan6 (talk) 11:37, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * But are they actually singles, or just YouTube videos and TikToks that he has put out on his own channel? Richard3120 (talk) 16:13, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I have done some research, it says he has several more songs in his album 73.17.35.238 (talk) 21:04, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * All albums have more tracks than just the singles - that's what makes them an album. But that doesn't make the other tracks singles. Richard3120 (talk) 23:30, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Far too little to split off.  Ss  112   07:25, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I’d say wait until the amount we have to say about his discography makes this article unwieldy. Wait until there’s a reason for a separate article. —96.8.24.95 (talk) 04:39, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Photo
Is this the only photo we have of Lawson? I think a bigger photo would be better NYMan6 (talk) 13:21, 5 December 2022 (UTC)


 * The photo has to be in the public domain and free for use. That does NOT mean you can upload any photo you find using a Google search, or use publicity photos from the subject's social media channels, because you do not own that photo and you do not have permission to use it. Richard3120 (talk) 14:30, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 9 December 2022

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure)  The Night Watch     (talk)   05:22, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

Jvke → Jacob Lawson – A stylized name like this would be governed by MOS:TM. The stylization currently used here, with only the J capitalized, does not appear to be in any kind of real-world use, let alone widespread use (see MOS:TM). Since the all-caps JVKE has been rejected by consensus, let's refer to the subject by his legal name rather than altering his pseudonym. 151.132.206.250 (talk) 01:57, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. Pseudonym is more widely used, and this still uses the exact same letters even if it's sensibly decapitalised. Here's an actual reliable example of real-world use of "Jvke". This user should be barred from filing any more move requests on this page. They don't appear to be able or want to accept consensus and want to get around the previous consensus not being in their favour. The assumption of the "good faith" of this user has run out, because we now have another move request less than a week after the last one was closed. Enough is enough. Serge, is there any guideline against the same user filing another move request on the same page less than a week after another move request was closed?  Ss   112   02:40, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Well, this is technically a different proposal, but it's a pretty bad judgment call considering it doesn't really look like anyone one was pushing for this name in the discussion ended days ago. I'd recommend the IP stop. Not sure if there's something else going on here, but I find their need to change the article name to seemingly anything else puzzling. Sergecross73   msg me  03:41, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, OP here, unavoidably at a different physical location. User:BusterD actually suggested on the first day that it would be more proper to propose this title (also mentioned in the early, self-reverted close). I honestly don’t understand why MOS:TM was roundly ignored here (and that inconsistency bothers me), but if we’re not going to follow our own rules regarding stylizations, probably best to avoid using them where possible. Sorry if that wasn’t clear above. If other editors disagree even with this, I shall remain frustratingly confused, but so be it. —96.8.24.95 (talk) 04:09, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
 * You'll find that the Wikipedia community is very consistent in disallowing all-caps stylism. Damn (Kendrick Lamar album) is the article title, even though sources usually use the stylized "DAMN." NSYNC was only moved to its current title because it was successfully argued that it is an acronym.  Even some that look "wrong" (Mstrkrft, Sbtrkt) are not uppercased.  With that being said, Oppose move to Jacob Lawson, as his stage name is more commonly used than his birth name. 162 etc. (talk) 17:05, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
 * In that case, it sounds like MOS:TM may be in error on this point. Maybe need to add an exception to the as long as this is a style already in widespread use clause for all-caps stylizations. —151.132.206.250 (talk) 00:33, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME - nobody is going to search for "Jacob Lawson" rather than "Jvke". Richard3120 (talk) 18:12, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. all his notable singles and albums are as JVKE or jvke.  AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 18:42, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. All his songs are with JVKE and he is also better known as JVKE 73.17.35.238 (talk) 22:26, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion: You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. —Community Tech bot (talk) 01:07, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Picture of Jvke (Jake), a famous TikTok star.jpg


 * I´ve been thinking about a better picture but I think it´s better we talk it out in the talk page and from what im seeing this probably will have to go talk it out about any feature images and the image the article will use, I think still letting the picture stay until a ¨Yes¨ or a ¨No¨ is chosen is better. 73.17.35.238 (talk) 22:24, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Well, the message above comes from an automatic bot, so you won't be able to talk with it. But you can't decide to just keep the photo, because it violates the use of free images, WP:NFCC. You cannot use any picture you find on Google - either you have to take a photo of Jvke yourself and upload it to Wikipedia, or you have to contact the person who took the photo and get their permission to use it. Richard3120 (talk) 08:58, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
 * If no picture is available for free use, we could use it under fair use. Wouldn’t be able to host it on Commons, though. —151.132.206.250 (talk) 01:18, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

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 * JVKEFACE.jpg

Possible minor controversy
There seems to be a few feathers ruffled over JVKE using the Transpose function on his live performances.

Amosdoll Music on YouTube has a video covering this.

I'm not very in the loop with what the hell's up, but general sentiment is that people feel he's fake. CyanoTex (talk) 13:19, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Mention that JVKE is likely Ghostwriter977, of AI Drake fame?
Recently, the YouTuber yokai concluded that JVKE created the song Heart on My Sleeve by ghostwriter977. Because of the massive media coverage of this song, it would definitely be important to note this in this article if a more reputable source can back up his conclusions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.66.87.37 (talk) 21:16, 22 May 2023 (UTC)


 * @173.66.87.37 Articles from official news sources would help your case. CyanoTex (talk) 23:18, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Golden Hour was featured in the final episode of Season 2 of “And Just Like That” on MAX.
Golden Hour was featured in the final episode of Season 2 of “And Just Like That” on MAX. Maureen70 (talk) 13:50, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi I am David and I wanted to know if you can send me you playing golden hour
Hi I am David and I am wondering if you can send me you playing golden hour please 162.248.138.193 (talk) 16:20, 21 October 2023 (UTC)


 * I am a big fan of your golden hour and your song if i felt down right now would you cach me 162.248.138.193 (talk) 16:23, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

April 2024
Pronounced Jake not JVKE search you tube for answer why he spells it like that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.249.148.56 (talk • contribs) 19:07, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Please do not delete previous comments, even if you are the author of the original comment. Anyway, nobody is disputing or arguing about the pronunciation of his name, so I'm not sure what your point is. Richard3120 (talk) 18:50, 23 April 2024 (UTC)