Talk:Károly Doncsecz

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Károly Doncsecz was potter of note and received artist. Unacceptable the delition. Doncsecz

Károly Doncsecz or Karel Dončec?
Why is the Hungarian speaking name used if he was a native Slovenian? I understand that it was a common practice in the former Austria-Hungary to have an alternative name in the other languages of the empire, but shouldn't the native name be preferred in the English Wikipedia? --Gwafton (talk) 21:29, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Gwafton! Károly Doncsecz was Slovene man and lived in Hungary. The Slovenes in Hungary if write in english, his names write in Hungarian ortopraphy, because Hungarian citizens, but his nationality is the Slovene. With the old Slovene writers in Hungary the same the situation. On the other hand in slovene language with slovene ortography must writed. I am a Hungarian Slovenes and so make to. Doncseczznánje 07:49, 14 November 2009 (UTC)


 * The Hungarian name is ok if this is the practice. Regarding the people of the former Austria-Hungary, it is not always obvious which name to use in other Wikipedias. For example native Hungarian Pál Járay is in English Wikipedia with his German alternative name name (Paul Jaray). Also Hungarian Ferenc Liszt is known with his German name (Franz Liszt).


 * On the other hand, Miklós Horthy is always Miklós Horthy even in German Wikipedia although he had a German alternative name (Nikolaus Horthy von Nagybánya).


 * I don't know if the national identity has anything to do which name to use. Maybe Károly Doncsecz felt his Hungarian identity stronger than Slovenian identity, you maybe know it better, but in that case the Hungarian name is ok in my opinion. Gwafton (talk) 13:29, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Károly Doncsecz was not felt his Hungarian identity, he was Slovene nationality, and speek the prekmurian-slovene language. The writing of name is not question of the identity, see this page, some famous Slovene people and his live in english language. His names wrote in hungarian. Sorry, but if you say, that the Slovenes in the Vendvidék is not slovenes, because write his name in hungarian ortography, you injoure them. Doncseczznánje 15:10, 14 November 2009 (UTC)


 * National identity depends very much on a person. Of course the own roots and mother tongue play major role in it. How about the Jews of Hungary? Some of them feel very Hungarian and not so Jewish at all, others very Jewish and less Hungarian. This depends very much on the person.


 * For example in Finland is a Swedish speaking minority who mostly have a strong Finnish identity. Some of them feel more Swedish, others less Swedish depending quite much on the person in question. That's why I think the national identity is not always obvious. --Gwafton (talk) 14:12, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, but here the identity not connect with the names. Please! Károly Doncsecz was Slovene, not Hungarian. The Hungarian Slovenes in slovene language wrote his names, thath Jožef Dončec, Janoš Svetec, etc. but in hungarian this names is Doncsecz and Szvétecz, because his territory lie in Hungary. Doncsecz's István (Steve) was lived Canada, his name wrote in english Steve Doncsecz, but was speak the prekmurian language and his identity was the Slovene. Doncseczznánje 15:37, 15 November 2009 (UTC)


 * My point is:
 * He was native Slovenian living in Hungary
 * His name is spelled as Károly Doncsecz in Hungarian, which shall be used in the Hungarian Wikipedia
 * His name is spelled as Karel Dončec in Slovenian, which shall be used in the Slovenian Wikipedia
 * He felt being Slovenian rather than Hungarian
 * → His native name (Slovenian) should be used in the other Wikipedias than the Hungarian.


 * Note that I didn't dispute his national identity because his Hungarian name is used in the other Wikipedias. I was just wondering why the practice is as it is.


 * End of discussion. --Gwafton (talk) 21:04, 15 November 2009 (UTC)


 * The name systems so was shape in Hungary between the Minoritys. Such a the situation in the other Minoritys in Hungary. Flag of the Slovene Nation.svg Doncseczznánje 08:32, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Biography
While it's obviously good to have plenty of information, I think it's a bit overdetailed. It may be just my opinion though, so remove the tag if you don't agree. No need to inform me or anything. Zakhalesh (talk) 15:36, 23 February 2011 (UTC)