Talk:K-20 (Kansas highway)/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Eviolite (talk · contribs) 14:54, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

I will be reviewing this article. ev iolite  (talk)  14:54, 12 January 2022 (UTC)


 * GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)


 * 1) It is reasonably well written.
 * a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
 * 1) It is factually accurate and verifiable.
 * a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR):  d (copyvio and plagiarism):
 * 1) It is broad in its coverage.
 * a (major aspects): b (focused):
 * 1) It follows the neutral point of view policy.
 * Fair representation without bias:
 * 1) It is stable.
 * No edit wars, etc.:
 * 1) It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
 * a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:
 * 1) It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
 * a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:

Notes:
 * Sourcing seems generally fine though a large reliance on Google Maps, especially for detailed route description, is worrying. The google maps link you provided is not even accessible (you have to enable viewing for anyone with the link) but I assume it has no info beyond what is on Google Maps itself (otherwise that would be a violation of RS/SPS.)
 * I fixed the link. -420Traveler (talk) 18:52, 17 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Ref 3 is a dead link.
 * Should be fixed now -420Traveler (talk) 14:36, 17 January 2022 (UTC)


 * The name on Ref 4 is wrong though - should be Brown County
 * -420Traveler (talk) 14:36, 17 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Only illustrations are the standard shield and a map so that's fine.
 * There are a bunch of minor grammatical errors. I corrected them in the lead and will go through the body again later.
 * I don't think it's necessary to mention By 1936, US-73E was renumbered to US-73 and K-16 was decommissioned, becoming an extension of K-7 in the lead as it is not about the subject of the article.
 * -420Traveler (talk) 14:36, 17 January 2022 (UTC)


 * The route description has too much detail about minor features. There needs to be reliable secondary sources, or at the very least printed maps, that directly corroborate what you are saying. Sections such as Past here, the landscape around the highway becomes more forested as it crosses an unnamed creek then intersects Falcon Road soon after. Here, the landscape transitions to mostly open pastures as the highway continues east to a crossing over the Delaware River. K-20 then passes through a group of houses and reaches Goldfinch Road, which travels north to Golden Eagle Casino. are completely unverified by the cited print maps and I presume come from your own analysis of the Google street view. This is unacceptable and needs to be cut down. The article does not need to mention every unnamed creek and road - in fact, the road crosses the same creek twice, in addition to another one past Goldfinch Road - but these are not written out because they are not necessary. Falcon Road does not appear to go anywhere notable. You mention the "group of houses" by Goldfinch Road and the Golden Eagle Casino but the latter doesn't even have an article and I see no reason to specifically single it out (incidentally, it should link to the actual settlement Kickapoo Tribal Center, Kansas around this part, which it doesn't.) The second paragraph is fine as things are verified by the city maps at least, and the third only mentions junctions with highways and bends in the road which is perfectly reasonable (though there should be an "a" before "school").
 * Should be now. Let me know if I missed something. -420Traveler (talk) 15:25, 17 January 2022 (UTC)


 * I don't see why "The Kansas Department of Transportation (KDOT) tracks the traffic levels on its highways," is necessary - you can just simplify by saying "In 2018, the Kansas Department of Transportation determined that..."
 * -420Traveler (talk) 14:36, 17 January 2022 (UTC)


 * I don't see where the termini of the various trails (like the Capital Route) are listed on the map.
 * -420Traveler (talk) 18:37, 17 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Make explicit that the info on the establishment and renumbering comes from map data per Using maps and similar sources in Wikipedia articles. For example, if an object does not appear in the 1950 and earlier editions of a map, but does appear in the 1951 and later editions of a map, this does not prove the year of construction was 1950, unless there is additional information in the map, as this is using the map in a different manner from its intended purpose. It would be acceptable to say "The freeway first appeared on the department of transportation's map in 1951" or "The freeway was constructed by 1951" (assuming the source has a reputation for accuracy in its map updates) in the above case. - this applies for your usage of the 1927-1928 and 1933-1934 claims, and especially so as they are not even from the same mapmaker so choices between them may be inconsistent.
 * Should be now. Let me know if I missed something. Also I didn't use "Google street view" like you assumed. The google map used was a Satellite map, which is similar to Google Earth. -420Traveler (talk) 15:41, 17 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Put the see also section above the notes section.
 * -420Traveler (talk) 15:25, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Placing on hold, see above. ev iolite  (talk)  07:07, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Everything should be fixed now. -420Traveler (talk) 18:56, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the changes . A few things still remain:
 * I could not find the 10.937 mile number on the PMIS site (or indeed anywhere on ksdot.org). I did find this PDF instead that has a table with all of the info so that you do not need to cite the query page (which does not work for me most of the time, saying "OOPS! We are really sorry but the page or resource you requested cannot be found".) The relevant pages are 35-36 and 38. I do not doubt that the mile mark is correct but it is curious that the KDOT website does not show it.
 * Thanks for finding that source. Yeah I'm not sure what's going on with the PMIS, it works on some computers but not others, including mine. -420Traveler (talk) 13:37, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Ref 13 does not link to the clipping but just the search query - you probably pasted in the wrong link here
 * -420Traveler (talk) 13:37, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * You still write "between 1927 to 1928" cited to two maps in the Establishment and realignments section.
 * -420Traveler (talk) 13:37, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I have corrected some grammatical errors myself.
 * Thank you, missed those ones. -420Traveler (talk) 13:37, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Again, thanks - just a few referencing issues above. Good work so far. ev iolite   (talk)  02:01, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Hey, everything should be fixed this time. Thanks -420Traveler (talk) 13:37, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you, glad to promote. Great work. ev iolite   (talk)  13:44, 18 January 2022 (UTC)