Talk:KCAM (AM)

Merger proposal
KCAM AM and KCAM FM are both operated by the same organization, with similar scope and coverage area. Is there any need for two separate articles? Would it be appropriate to merge both into a single "KCAM Radio" page? --Son of thunder (talk) 00:29, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I've previously brought this issue up at WT:WPRS. Where a scenario exists such as you describe, there was lukewarm support for the idea of merging.  Unfortunately, at the same time, members of that project appear to be content with pushing, in a not-exactly-obvious manner, the POV that it's the FCC license and FCC license alone which establishes notability, not anything the station does or has done.
 * Glancing through List of radio stations in Alaska, I see the following cases:


 * Stub article KBRW (AM), stub article KBRW-FM and dab page KBRW
 * Stub article KDLG (AM), redlink KDLG-FM and dab page KDLG
 * Stub article KIAM (AM), stub article KIAM-FM and dab page KIAM (which, unlike the other cases, contains entries besides broadcasting stations)
 * Stub article KICY (AM), stub article KICY-FM and dab page KICY
 * Stub article KIYU (AM), redlink KIYU-FM and dab page KIYU
 * Stub article KJNP (AM), stub article KJNP-FM, stub article KJNP-TV and dab page KJNP
 * C class article KKNI (AM), stub article KKNI-FM and dab page KKNI (in this case, there exists conflicting information as to whether a single entity operates these stations – I haven't bothered to search the FCC database to figure it out one way or the other)
 * Stub article KTOO (FM) and dab page KTOO, plus KTOO-TV, which inexplicably redirects to AlaskaOne, a recent affiliation, despite extensive evidence of independent notability (KTOO also operates 360 North, arguably notable in its own right, which of course explains why little to no mention of it whatsoever exists on Wikipedia)
 * Stub article KUAC (FM), start class article KUAC-TV and dab page KUAC
 * Stub article KVAK (AM), stub article KVAK-FM and dab page KVAK
 * Stub article KYUK (AM), stub article KYUK-FM and dab page KYUK, plus stub article for parent entity Bethel Broadcasting, Incorporated – there is also KYUK-TV, which also inexplicably redirects to the AlaskaOne article in spite of independent notability
 * That's simply based on matching call signs. That doesn't even include the likes of Big River Public Broadcasting (plus presumably Kotzebue Broadcasting and likely others) which hold multiple licenses and call signs, but transmit a single broadcast emanating from a "home station". RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions  02:47, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
 * For the dab pages, that would have to go through Disambiguation. As it stands, their rules say we have to have a dab page for both.  Plus, it avoids confusion.


 * As for the radio station pages themselves, I can work on them, but it will take me some time. Currently, my left hand is working at about 80% after carpal tunnel surgery.  Plus, each page takes about 2 to 3 days to come together with the research, breaks to rest my hand (doctor's orders) and such.


 * But for the notability aspect, you would need to get consensus to change that. There is long-standing established consensus that radio stations are notable, per WP:NMEDIA and WP:OUTCOME.  Not to mention the numerous AfDs and ANI discussions (no, I'm not going to look for them) all of which back that consensus up.


 * If you want to help, instead of creating a massive discussion which crosses WP:DISAMBIG, WP:TVS and this WikiProject, find an article, use some of the available resources and work on getting these articles up to par. Remember, WP:BURDEN.


 * For the whole thing, though, Oppose. Don't fix what ain't broken. -  Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 09:03, 16 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Oppose since the stations have different broadcast histories, different technical histories, could be sold apart from one another at any time, and other factors that mean individual articles are the best way to handle individual radio stations. It would be liking merging Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie into the (entirely real) Brangelina article because they're currently married and living together. - Dravecky (talk) 08:35, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

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