Talk:KFC/Archive 8

Operations -- Headquarters building
A picture of this building would help. Overall, the description of the building in the operations section seems a bit long. Is there something unique about this, or is it especially relevant to KFC? (Can't be that unique -- I worked in a similar building in Minneapolis, MN.) Otherwise, it might be verging on trivia. T-bonham (talk) 21:34, 4 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't think Commons has a picture of the HQ. I've reduced the information on the building. Farrtj (talk) 21:53, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Recent events
This section has some issues, foremost is the title. How are seven year old events considered "recent". I would suggest that this section get a work over as it is not very good. --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 19:09, 5 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Please be more specific rather than general in your criticism. Farrtj (talk) 19:54, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Huh?
As this is an article about an American-based chain written in U.S. English, isn't the phraseology "such as chicken burgers (chicken sandwiches [US])" bass-ackwards? Don't think many people here call chicken sandwiches chicken burgers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.158.48.11 (talk) 21:21, 14 January 2013 (UTC)


 * You are so right. I basically said the same thing here: Talk:KFC/Archive_7. --Musdan77 (talk) 22:13, 14 January 2013 (UTC)


 * KFC is an international chain. Pretty soon there will be more outlets in China, where it is rapidly growing, than in the USA, where it is declining. Farrtj (talk) 22:29, 14 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Is that supposed to be an answer to the above issue? It doesn't quite follow. --Musdan77 (talk) 03:08, 15 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Many other countries are more familiar with the term "burgers". That I believe is his point. My country uses this term, and KFC uses it on their menu as well. If you would look at the 'number of locations', keep in mind that it is a figure America contributes only 4618 establishments to. It is an international chain that needs to communicate with a broader demographic.Withamoral (talk) 07:50, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

GA Review

 * Passed. See Talk:KFC/GA2 for the review. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 15:56, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Restaurant Chain Rankings
I don't think the first paragraph is correct in stating KFC is the second largest chain after McDonald's. However Subway is the largest fast food chain in existence. I suppose this should be changed unless there is some category for food chains I'm unaware of that make McD's and KFC 1 and 2, respectively. My uncertainty is why I didn't go ahead and edit. Neil618 (talk) 23:41, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Simple: I don't consider Subway to be a "restaurant chain". The OED describes a restaurant as "An eating establishment at which meals are cooked and served to customers on the premises; a public eating house." Subway don't cook anything, they don't even have ovens. They microwave stuff at some locations. And their focus is undoubtedly on take out rather than eating in. Farrtj (talk) 23:43, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
 * A restaurant does not need to cook its food locally, nor serve cooked food (think a raw bar or vegetarian restaurant). Subway is a restaurant chain, and it is the largest single brand operator in the world by store locations. Your opinion is not what matters here, and the second half of the OED definition does apply. --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 05:33, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll refer again to my argument that Subway focusses on take out rather than seated eating.Farrtj (talk) 09:43, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Restaurants also serve takeout. McDonald's and Burger King serve 60% of their customers via drive thru service and half of the walk in customers are take out orders. That means that 20% of their customers base is sit down. by your definition they are not restaurants. --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 18:51, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, okay, I give in. This must be an American thing, as in Britain we never, ever, call either Subway, McDonald's or KFC a "restaurant". A restaurant implies a higher level of quality, price and table service. The phrase would be fast food chain. There's a thought: how about describing it as the second largest "fast food chain"? Or is Subway considered to be fast food as well? Farrtj (talk) 19:07, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
 * You could have just said that in your initial response as opposed to arguing that Subway wasn't a restaurant in your opinion. That's an interesting discussion to have but one that's not relevant to my original post. Seeing as Wikipedia labels Subway as restaurant in the disambiguation page, that's good for me. My post is about whether Subway, KFC, and McDonalds are all measured the same. Neil618 (talk) 01:14, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * FWIW the industry often calls itself "quick service restaurants". Barnabypage (talk) 12:51, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

I've heard "restaurant" used to refer to fast food outlets plenty of times in the UK. Regardless, what's important here is the sourcing: if we have a source which compares KFC's figures to Subway's then so be it, but if we only have a source comparing it to McDonald's then we'll go with that. To do otherwise is synthesis. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 15:51, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
 * This is no longer an issue. I've added a Subway reference in the lead now.Farrtj (talk) 17:15, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of Australia section
I have deleted the Australia section (which I made in the first place) for now because it is too small to justify an entire subsection. The Australian KFC franchise has not been particularly interesting anyway: where do you draw the line, ie how many countries do you include on the main page? You can't include all 115. The Australian section remains wholly in place on List of countries with KFC franchises. If that section there gets expanded, then maybe some day it will return to the main page. Farrtj (talk) 10:40, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay. I've removed the unused refs.-- Auric    talk  21:50, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Cheers.Farrtj (talk) 00:29, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 28 March 2013
kfc was founded in 1800

37.131.0.177 (talk) 19:46, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 20:24, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Tricom/Yum! Brands section
First, I think this section either needs a subheading or a separate heading to address the PETA, etc. issues. Second, I think the information on PETA and Greenpeace protests are given more weight than they deserve. Research and common sense shows that these two organizations are definitely singling out KFC and doing so with misrepresentations. I think the information is there in the paragraph to refute this, but perhaps the paragraph structure or wording does not bring it out particularly well. There are so many people out there that believe that KFC does in fact own chicken farms and are directly responsible for their treatment which also creates a misrepresentation of the quality of the chicken that KFC uses. While KFC is indirectly responsible by contracting with their suppliers or not, PETA and others would have you believe KFC is the culprit. Snopes even has refuted this myth. Perhaps the author or someone could rewrite the paragraph to make that more clear. --B0cean (talk) 04:16, 21 April 2013 (UTC)B0cean

Menu Items
It would be nice if you could add Menu Items to the article.

-HeyBanditoz — Preceding unsigned comment added by HeyBanditoz (talk • contribs) 01:31, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Logos Used Though the Years/Edit Request of 1/19/14

 * The other four logos that were used for KFC should be uploaded to Wikipedia. It would help out with the expansion of the page. There has been five logos and only one (the current 2006-present) has been uploaded. These logos can be found on Logopedia and I will talk about the logos and what they looked like.


 * 1st logo 1952-1973: The first logo is basic. It had the words "Kentucky Fried Chicken" spelled out to the left and Colonel Sanders head to the right.


 * 2nd logo 1973 or 1978-1991: The second logo was introduced in 1978 (some sources say 1973) and the texting and Sanders head became more neat and easier to read. This logo can still be seen at a few older restaurants in the Southern United States despite be replaced by three other logos since 1991.


 * 3rd logo 1991-1997: Kentucky Fried Chicken was shortened to just KFC. Colonel Sanders head from the previous logo was kept intact. This logo can either have blue or black linning around the head, though the blue outlined version of this logo is more common. This logo can still be seen at some older locations across the world.


 * 4th logo 1997-late 2006: In 1997, KFC got a new logo again. The KFC lettering was made smaller and was put on the bottom right of the logo. Colonel Sanders now looks less cartoony and looks more realistic to the real Colonel Sanders. This logo can still be seen at many of older locations across the world.


 * I hope somebody answers this request soon! --24.147.1.197 (talk) 00:48, 19 January 2014 (UTC)Jacob Chesley

Re: numbers
Hello, McGeddon. I see you changed the ages in this article back to spelled-out numbers, citing WP:ORDINAL. I am a trained news writer and editor, and I came here from the peer-review request page. The Associated Press Stylebook says "Always use figures for people and animals." But more importantly, if you scroll down to the 13th item under the WP:ORDINAL guideline's exceptions, it says, "Ages are typically stated in figures, unless it is a large, approximate quantity...." Maybe you weren't aware of this. Could you change them back, or point me to the guideline that overrides these? Thanks! Lightbreather (talk) 16:30, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that, I missed that clause. I must have just been searching for the string " age" when checking if the MOS:NUM gave any exemption for ages. Have reverted myself. --McGeddon (talk) 16:38, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * No problem. Some of this stuff I remember, some I usually have to look up. Comma usage is one I get confused about a lot. Lightbreather (talk) 16:50, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

New image

 * In case anyone is interested. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:59, 3 November 2013 (UTC)