Talk:KFC/GA1

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Reviewer: TonyTheTiger (talk · contribs) 08:05, 27 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I will review this one soon.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 08:05, 27 June 2012 (UTC)


 * WP:LEAD
 * Restructure in at most 4 paragraphs. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:49, 3 July 2012 (UTC)✅
 * Is it lead-worthy to say former managers have gone on to start Wendy's and Lee's? --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:13, 3 July 2012 (UTC)✅
 * Perhaps, although it's by no means a given that it should be in there. My only problem is I don't know where to put such information. It doesn't seem to relate to any of the existing paragraphs. Farrtj (talk) 14:37, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay done. Farrtj (talk) 14:52, 5 July 2012 (UTC)


 * What does As of 2011 mean? The end of financial year 2011-2012 or the end of December 2011? Regards,   theTigerKing   16:22, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Well I think that's irrelevant. The company's given statistic of 17,000 is pretty vague to begin with. If it were an exact figure then it would be worth giving an exact date, but as it isn't, there isn't much point. Farrtj (talk) 17:39, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I never asked the exact figures. I just asked what does these two words mean- "As of". Does this mean end of financial year 2011-2012 or the end of month of December 2011. Regards,   theTigerKing   18:40, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Regardless, it's such a broad and approximate figure that it's not worth specifying either. Farrtj (talk) 18:47, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Which figures are you talking about? I am asking about the the year- whether it means January 2011 to December 2011 or April 2011-March 2012? That's it! I just can't get what you are referring to? I am not asking about the figure 17000 at all. Regards,   theTigerKing   19:00, 11 July 2012 (UTC)✅


 * Comma mark needed after the text 'As a Yum! subsidiary' Regards,   theTigerKing   16:25, 10 July 2012 (UTC) ✅


 * History
 * nation's sixth largest restaurant chain by volume - nation -> U.S.
 * went public by offering shares on the NYSE, NASDAQ or AMEX. Say which one. If possible say what percentage of the company was sold.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:53, 27 June 2012 (UTC)✅
 * Convert all 20th century dollar amounts to current day dollars (in parenthesis). --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:53, 27 June 2012 (UTC)✅
 * Rather than (X$ today) say (X$ in 2024 dollars). Even the first instance which is not currently parenthetically structured.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:10, 29 June 2012 (UTC)✅
 * --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:53, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Please use the template I suggested (i.e., in 2024 dollars ).--20:24, 3 July 2012 (UTC)✅
 * Please incorporate Lee's Famous Recipe Chicken (founded by Sanders nephew) into the history. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:53, 27 June 2012 (UTC)✅
 * Um I'm not sure about this one. Space for it on the Harland Sanders page, but any more than a passing reference is divulging from the topic of the article, which is the company that Sanders founded called KFC, not the man himself, nor his nephew. Farrtj (talk) 21:57, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't know the whole story, but presumed that there was some falling out with KFC worth noting here. Have you looked into the story?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:46, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Nah, Sanders was working for KFC all of his life. I think his daughter ran all of the KFC franchises until her retirement. It warrants no more than a sentence at best, but I don't think it warrants any mention. It belongs on the Harland Sanders page perhaps. Farrtj (talk) 12:37, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * You raise another issue. The daughter has to be discussed in the article.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:57, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I can't find reference for this. Maybe she had nothing to do with the company. Farrtj (talk) 04:07, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I am apt to fail for lack of breadth without an explanation of Lee's. This is a former prominent employee who left to start a major competitor. I think it is inexcusable not to explain this. This is not a tech company with dozens of employees who left to start companies along the way. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:57, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * This is currently unsourced.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:14, 29 June 2012 (UTC)✅
 * Clarify that "The investment group changed the restaurant's format " refers to the KFC investment group and not the Lee's investment group.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:14, 29 June 2012 (UTC)✅
 * Did you explain the point at which Dave Thomas left to found Wendy's. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:59, 28 June 2012 (UTC)✅
 * It is not only unexplained, but also it is unsourced.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:05, 29 June 2012 (UTC)✅
 * The article isn't about Dave Thomas. And no one has a clue who he is outside of the USA, so I don't want to dedicate too much space to him. Yes he introduced a few changes to the company. He already takes up enough space. Also, there's no mystery about why Thomas left KFC, and I think the fact that he went on to found Wendy's is explanation enough: he felt he could do just as well by himself.Farrtj (talk) 03:53, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Please try to source the fact that he left the company.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:38, 30 June 2012 (UTC)✅
 * Please try to source the fact that he left the company.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:38, 30 June 2012 (UTC)✅


 * Operations
 * Pronouns might add some variety in 2nd para. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:58, 28 June 2012 (UTC)✅
 * Where did the line break come from?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:27, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't know what a line break is. Farrtj (talk) 14:42, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
 * What is going on after "According to Bloomberg Businessweek in 2012, "?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:58, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
 * It's a block quote. It quickly summarises the current KFC situation. Farrtj (talk) 12:45, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Is there any way to rearrange the section so that it is not so confusing (at high resolution viewing).--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:46, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't know. Do you have something in mind. I've looked through the quote again, I feel that it's all worth keeping personally. Farrtj (talk) 18:03, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes the quote is worth keeping.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:31, 8 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Do you have one global sales number? -TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:58, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Nope. I read the Yum Annual Report and they don't break down sales by KFC/Pizza Hut/Taco Bell. Farrtj (talk) 20:27, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * There must be analysts who estimate this detail.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:58, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Well I found a guesstimate and went with it. Farrtj (talk) 04:22, 29 June 2012 (UTC) ✅


 * Products
 * Can you describe when other things (other than popcorn chicken) were added to the menu. I am particularly fond of the extra crispy option. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:14, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Well Original Recipe is in the history, and before I read this I actually added the Extra Crispy date to the history section. Also I don't want to give too much prominence to products such as Extra Crispy which appear to only be available in the American market. Farrtj (talk) 20:27, 28 June 2012 (UTC)


 * O.K. explain the introduction of most of the items that are widely-served. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:26, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't want to repeat myself as the introduction of the bucket meal, original recipe, extra crispy, kentucky grilled chicken, the chicken pot pie, marinated chicken and the snacker are already described in the history. Popcorn's introduction is listed under products. I can't find details on when the Zinger was introduced. Farrtj (talk) 04:16, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Do you think it makes sense to have a products section when you talk about all the products in another section?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:28, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Perhaps not. I may merge the information with Operations and History. I reckon it might be sensible to keep it there as people may want to add product information at a later stage. Farrtj (talk) 07:01, 30 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Merge or expand stubby paragraphs. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:26, 29 June 2012 (UTC)✅


 * Advertising
 * Do you have a citation for Quaid? --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:14, 28 June 2012 (UTC)✅


 * International operations
 * Expressly state that KFC is number 1 in China.(with a source) --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:14, 28 June 2012 (UTC) ✅


 * Controversy
 * the subsections are often smaller than is desirable. You should either beef them up or restructure the subsections. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:43, 29 June 2012 (UTC)✅
 * Beefed up the alleged racism subsection. Farrtj (talk) 08:02, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't know what to regarding the "Trademark disputes" subsection. It can't be beefed up without adding trivia to it, and it can't be merged under one of the existing subsections. Also I'm not sure if I can delete it, as it was a pretty major news story in the UK, covered by all of the major broadsheets. Farrtj (talk) 05:32, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Has KFC trademarked "Finger Lickin Good"?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:09, 30 June 2012 (UTC)✅
 * Added this to the article: Answer: they did but it's expired. Although I'd speculate that they'd probably have some residual rights to the slogan, given their long association with it. But that's just my speculation. Farrtj (talk) 08:33, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
 * You also need to comment on the logo changes over the years. You have content in WP:CAPTIONs that is not explained in the text. Retitle this section logos and trademarks.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:09, 30 June 2012 (UTC) ✅

Also, merged Logos and trademarks under advertising, International Operations under Operations, and merged Products with Operations and History. Farrtj (talk) 07:37, 30 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Health
 * Merge or expand the last two paragraphs. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:43, 29 June 2012 (UTC)✅


 * Salmonella poisoning
 * What is a "Twister wrap" ✅


 * Images
 * It is not clear to me that File:ColonelSanders1962.jpg is properly licensed. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:51, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Image is up for deletion.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:56, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Replacement File:Harland Sanders.jpg needs FUR.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:04, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
 * It is not clear to me that File:KFC Orginal Recipe chicken in bucket.JPG is free for our use.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:51, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Please review the wording section at WP:CAPTION. Fix the punctuation. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:54, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what the issue is here. Farrtj (talk) 05:54, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
 * See CAPTION.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 13:47, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah ok, done ✅
 * Think about which things are complete sentences and which are not. Use periods accordingly.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:12, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, I believe that's sorted now. Farrtj (talk) 14:45, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Are any of the CAPTIONs full sentences?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:50, 5 July 2012 (UTC)✅


 * References
 * Please properly format all citations.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:35, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Working on it. Farrtj (talk) 09:04, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

In the spirit of the WikiProject Good articles/GAN backlog elimination drives/June-July 2012, I am putting this on hold. I really feel that a lot of content is missing, but will reevaluate it after 7 days.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:57, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, in the spirit of that drive I'd really like to work on this to quickly get it through to GA status. Farrtj (talk) 07:41, 30 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Infobox
 * Please provide the number of locations in the infobox.
 * I don't know how to add that criteria to the infobox template. Farrtj (talk) 15:52, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * You could consider the infobox used in Mc Donalds.theTigerKing 16:00, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, hunky dory. Farrtj (talk) 16:05, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Please provide the reference for it in the information box itself. Also, mention the year. Regards,   theTigerKing   16:31, 10 July 2012 (UTC) ✅


 * Please provide the key products in the infobox.
 * ok, done Farrtj (talk) 15:58, 10 July 2012 (UTC) ✅

Regards,theTigerKing 15:25, 10 July 2012 (UTC) ✅
 * Please correct the information mentioned in the infobox. The revenues of the subsidiary(KFC) can never exceed that of the parent company(Yum). Compare the infoboxes of the two. Regards,   theTigerKing   16:39, 10 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Please remove the words approx. from the box. Has it been mentioned in the document? What is the purpose of having it in the infobox? Aren't the figures for revenues in the references mentioned in USD?  Regards,   theTigerKing   15:10, 11 July 2012 (UTC) ✅
 * Make the text "headquarters" with "Operational Headquarters" and the text "incorporation" with "Incorporation" Regards,   theTigerKing   15:10, 11 July 2012 (UTC) ✅

Please make use of "" tags for quotations used in the article. Makes the article look clean. Regards,  theTigerKing   16:36, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Blockquotes
 * No. Wikipedia policy if I recall correctly is that we only use blockquote for longer quotes. Farrtj (talk) 18:11, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * It just makes article readable. Go for Quote tag.It is more wiki type as the usage of it is described in the description page of the tag. Manual of Style describes Blockquote and Quote tags in Manual of Style article.  Regards,   theTigerKing   14:57, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * "Format a long quote (more than about 40 words or a few hundred characters, or consisting of more than one paragraph, regardless of length) as a block quotation" (Source: Manual of Style). Point be towards an unformatted quote of more than 40 words and I will change it. Farrtj (talk) 18:08, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Please correct the date style used throughout the article and follow one standard throughout the article. Examples-> If you are using May 4, 2011 in one instance then please don't use May 4 2012 somewhere else. Just follow one style. Regards,  theTigerKing   16:44, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Date style
 * Right well I think I'm going to go with DD/MM/YYYY. It's what I'm familiar with, it seems easiest. Farrtj (talk) 18:19, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Please check for them in references section and make them uniform throughout too. Do not go with DD/MM/YYYY as DD and MM could be confused with each other. Regards,   theTigerKing   14:57, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I meant 12 May 2012 style quoting. And bear with me, I need time for this. Farrtj (talk) 18:08, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


 * See also and External links section

Regards,  theTigerKing   16:49, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * There is no need of having video links in the external links section. Remove them. ✅
 * Please remove the competitors from the See Also section. Again, there is no need for them. ✅

Please stop using advert in the article. Instead replace them with advertisement. Regards,  theTigerKing   16:58, 10 July 2012 (UTC) ✅
 * Make edits

You should mention the widespread protests the company faced when it first set up shop in India in 1995. Regards,  theTigerKing   16:58, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Completeness
 * Well do. I did come across this in my research. They seem to be quite popular there now though. Can you corroborate this? Farrtj (talk) 18:11, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay done. ✅

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 * I was asked to come by and take a look at the changes that have been directed by . I continue to believe that the citations appear haphazard. They should be presented in a consistent manner throughout. This means that the citations that are just text over a url need to be formated with several parameters in the cite web template.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:47, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Tony, only you are authorized to get the article passed as you have taken custody of the article. Before taking a final call, make sure that all the opinions expressed on this page are strictly adhered to. Please look out for each claim made in the references section. I doubt some of them are not contained in the references and are original research of the author (Example-> KFC revenues mentioned in the infobox. The reference is that of a website. I could not find revenues for the year, leave alone the page, but anywhere in the website). There is certainly problem with citations. Not only they have not been listed properly, but also they are not easily verifiable. Regards,   theTigerKing   19:04, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
 * References formatted up to no.25. Farrtj (talk) 18:42, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Dude, please have a look at the dates too. They are not consistent in the reference section that you intend to use. And you have claimed that you have cleaned upto 25th reference! Please provide the page numbers of all the PDF references being referred to. The reader wont look through the entire PDF for verifying the claims made in the article. Be specific. Refer to How_to_create_the_list_of_citations if needed. Regards,   theTigerKing   19:04, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
 * What is going on with this?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:56, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I have informed the nominator that I am close to failing this since there have been no improvements in recent days.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:55, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The nominator has responded that he/she does not have time to address the remaining concern(s) now. I am failing this article.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:59, 19 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I also continue to seek clarification on the licensing of File:KFC Orginal Recipe chicken in bucket.JPG.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:49, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't understand this. The image was uploaded by the guy who took the picture. It has happily existed on Commons since 2008. It doesn't infringe on any copyrights. Farrtj (talk) 18:43, 12 July 2012 (UTC)