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Notability (Talk:Polygamy: What Love Is This?)
This article was proposed for deletion; I did remove the proposal and cleaned up most of the issues (principally the lack of third-party references) to the best of my ability, and re-applied some of the references more appropriately. I removed some of the "unreliable source" references and unverifiable text, and edited some of the text for clarity. The article does need considerably more fleshing out, however, in order to underpin its notability; nevertheless, I would propose that it remain undeleted because part of its notability is in its uniqueness; until the advent of the TLC program "Sister Wives," (which "What Love Is This" pre-dates) I am not aware of any other (non-fiction) program that deals primarily with the topic of polygamy from a critical perspective, and it remains unique in its critical perspective on polygamy. 174.23.68.63 (talk) 16:26, 4 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Novelty does not imbue a subject with notability; instead "[t]he common theme in the notability guidelines is that there must be verifiable objective evidence that the subject has received significant attention to support a claim of notability. The evidence must show the topic has gained significant independent coverage or recognition..." (WP:NRVE) This seems nearly impossible to be meet on this subject.


 * Also "[t]he barometer of notability is whether people independent of the topic itself (or of its manufacturer, creator, author, inventor, or vendor) have actually considered the topic notable enough that they have written and published non-trivial works of their own that focus upon it – without incentive, promotion, or other influence by people connected to the topic matter." This means material from Doris Hanson, KTMW, A Shield and Refuge Ministry, Main Street Church &/or its related organizations cannot be used to establish notability for this TV program.


 * As notability is also not inheritable from those people & organizations, that leaves us with only one potentially wp:RS source so far: the 2011-03-09 Davis County Clipper article. However in the body of that article, the only text about the show TV show is the following trivial mention: She also hosts a weekly TV program on KMTV Channel 20, “Polygamy: What Love is This?”, while the entire rest of the article again focused on Hanson herself, almost exclusively thru a series of direct quotes, attributed to her.


 * Other than the trivial one sentence mention in the Davis County Clipper, there is absolutely no mention of this show in reliable third party publications/sources that can be found in the first 149 hits from an advanced Google search ( http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Polygamy+What+Love+Is+This%22&hl=en&num=10&lr=&ft=i&cr=&safe=images&tbs= ); after 149 entries it said "In order to show you the most relevant results, we have omitted some entries very similar to the 149 already displayed. If you like, you can repeat the search with the omitted results included" so it is unlikely that the omitted items will have anything reliant.


 * This article should be deleted on notability grounds. -- 208.81.184.4 (talk) 23:14, 4 May 2011 (UTC)


 * It would probably be better to retitle and slightly rewrite the article so that is about A Shield and Refuge Ministry, which seems a bit more notable than the radio program. Steve Dufour (talk) 18:04, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * It's a local TV program, not radio. -- 208.81.184.4 (talk) 21:23, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I will work on this next week if nobody objects. Steve Dufour (talk) 18:06, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

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