Talk:KWCH-DT

Adding unreferenced entries of former employees to lists containing BLP material
Hello, Please do not add unreferenced names as entries to the list of former employees in articles. Including this type of material in articles does not abide by current consensus and its inclusion is strongly discouraged in our policies and guidelines. The rationales are as follows:


 * 1) WP:NOT tells us, Wikipedia is "not an indiscriminate collection of information." As that section describes, just because something is true, doesn't necessarily mean the info belongs in Wikipedia.
 * 2) As per WP:V, we cannot include information in Wikipedia that is not verifiable and sourced.
 * 3) WP:Source list tells us that lists included within articles (including people's names) are subject to the same need for references as any other information in the article.
 * 4) Per WP:BLP, we have to be especially careful about including un-sourced info about living persons.

If you look at articles about companies in general, you will not find mention of previous employees, except in those cases where the employee was particularly notable. Even then, the information is not presented just as a list of names, but is incorporated into the text itself (for example, when a company's article talks about the policies a previous CEO had, or when they mention the discovery/invention of a former engineer/researcher). If a preexisting article is already in the encyclopedia for the person you want to add to a list, it's generally regarded as sufficient to support their inclusion in list material in another article. cheers Deconstructhis (talk) 03:58, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

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Location
The street address for the station is allowable in this article, because other types of articles allow it. Street addresses are shown in the: infobox of businesses - Apple Inc. / Google / Microsoft; infobox of high schools - Fort Hamilton High School / Long Beach Polytechnic High School / Lane Tech College Prep High School; infobox of museums - American Museum of Natural History / Metropolitan Museum of Art / Modern Art Museum of Fort Worth; infobox of convention centers - Las Vegas Convention Center / McCormick Place / Orange County Convention Center; infobox of amphitheaters - Hollywood Bowl / Azura Amphitheater / Hearst Greek Theatre; infobox of school districts - West New York School District / El Paso Independent School District / Gadsden County School District; infobox of baseball stadiums - Yankee Stadium / Wrigley Field / Dodger Stadium; infobox of government buildings - White House / Lamoille County Courthouse / Suwannee County Courthouse; and there are numerous other examples on Wikipedia too. • Sbmeirow  •  Talk  • 17:02, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I would tend to agree that there is no policy-based reason to not have the address in the infobox, but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, Mvcg66b3r. I am also certain that adding it was not an unconstructive edit and was done in good faith. Mvcg66b3r, please be careful and make sure to revert good faith edits as good faith edits and not vandalism, and don't template the regulars. Ks0stm  (T•C•G•E) 17:10, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm just following accepted standards. Maybe you should talk to about this. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 17:28, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
 * What accepted standards? Link? Ks0stm  (T•C•G•E) 17:34, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Just the uniform standards for TV/radio infoboxes. See Template:Infobox television station. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 17:36, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
 * @Sbmeirow, @Ks0stm, @Mvcg66b3r: I've never, ever, ever seen an address stuffed in the location parameter of Infobox television station, and I've been in this topic field for a very long time.
 * We use location in a slightly unusual way. We use it as a field that indicates both the city of license and the key city or cities in the coverage area—essentially, the media market and the city of license (which is also indicated often in the city parameter). The way this parameter is structured is one of the biggest differences from Infobox radio station, where we would have city and area defined.
 * Television stations, especially smaller operations (though not one of the size of KWCH), present serious barriers to the inclusion of addresses. Here are some examples of what would be very tough edge cases.
 * KDCU-DT has local offices in downtown Wichita. Its main studio on file with the FCC is nowhere near Wichita: it's in Denver. Now that'd be confusing for non-topic readers!
 * The Trinity Broadcasting Network used to maintain local studios throughout the country, but when the FCC removed the main studio rule, it closed many of them. There are also stations in other networks, like Ion Television, where local operations are limited to nonexistent and the programming is merely transported from a central hub.
 * Many low-power TV stations do not have studios or local programming of any kind, just a transmitter site whose coordinates are already included.
 * And that's not even getting into other internationalization concerns. This would be a fairly large change in usage and, for the reasons I outline above, one I would not support myself. Sammi Brie  (she/her • t • c) 19:16, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Doing nothing doesn't solve the problem. Just because there isn't a local studio in every market doesn't mean you can't find a solution to this problem! • Sbmeirow  •  Talk  • 05:45, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
 * What type of solution really exists for such a multifaceted problem that, again, needs to take internationalization concerns into account? The exact address of a studio location is a North America-centric concept and really originated with the US Federal Radio Commission's card system a century ago. And again, the FCC has basically rendered the concept moot.
 * There's a difference between "doing nothing" and knowing the limitations that are presented before you. Nathan Obral • he/him • t  •  c  • 17:21, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Hey User:Ks0stm, lots of sillyness going on here. They thinks its fine to include the exact coordinates location of the transmitting tower, but not the main studio address (location), neither in the infobox or intro section. • Sbmeirow  •  Talk  • 04:54, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Read Sammi's statement above; it applies to lead paragraphs too. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 05:16, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
 * If you can find a place to put the exact coordinates of the transmitting tower, then you can find a place to put the local studio street address of stations where it is applicable. You aren't trying hard enough, such as not adding new fields to the infobox to fix this problem. • Sbmeirow  •  Talk  • 05:32, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Adding new infobox fields requires consensus among editors. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 05:36, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
 * You don't like it in the lead or infobox; where will you allow the information be put into the article? Let's try to find a productive solution that incorporates the information into the article in a way everyone is happy with. Ks0stm  (T•C•G•E) 05:51, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
 * All you need to do is set up a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television and look for a consensus among editors there. Nathan Obral • he/him • t  •  c  • 17:28, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I disagree that this is "sillyness" (sp). I've rarely if ever seen exact addresses for a studio used in a lede. Obvious cases in which a building with an existing article that houses a TV station studio is another matter (NBC Tower and WMAQ-TV/WSNS-TV; Daily News Building and WPIX; Pence Building and WUCW) but those don't have the exact addresses listed. Nathan Obral • he/him • t  •  c  • 17:35, 18 March 2022 (UTC)