Talk:KXL-FM

Move to KUFO until/unless officially otherwise

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: Nomination withdrawn —  G FOLEY   F OUR  — 23:48, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

KXL-FM → KUFO — Restore to legal callsign per Naming conventions (broadcasting); no WP:RS for legal ID change. --Closeapple (talk) 19:41, 16 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Changed: see below. Support (but see below) per my own nomination.  It appears someone has jumped the gun here.  As everyone is probably familiar with, Naming conventions (broadcasting) uses the legal call sign for U.S. stations, not the marketing name.  Lots of simulcast stations are marketed with the identity of a main station yet retain unsychronized official callsigns legally.  Stations that have had their own notability before simulcasting retain their own articles with their official callsigns.  There is no evidence that this station has a callsign change pending; only that its marketing name has changed.  I did an audio check at 7am, noon, and 1pm (a minute ago) Pacific time today: the program did legal ID (or at least an attempt at it) as "Newsradio 101, KUFO FM, and 750 KXL AM, Portland" all 3 times.  (Audio files available on request.)  In other words, not even the station identifies as KXL-FM yet, if it ever will.  By the way: Its legal callsign since 2010-09-16 has been KUFO, not KUFO-FM. --Closeapple (talk) 20:03, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment I'm guessing the FCC database has been checked to confirm whether its still in the application stage or if the application has been approved and the license changed?? -- nsaum75 !Dígame¡ &lrm; 20:12, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah-ha! Since you mentioned it, I did some digging to make sure, and found that the FCC does have not only a working availability form for 3-letter callsigns now, but a request pending for KXL-FM!  It used to be that the FCC kept that stuff relatively low-key until the change, and then it would simply appear in the regular database.  Then, after a while, FCC Media Bureau Call Sign Query (which is designed for broadcasters to check callsign availability) appears, but, I think, used to reject three-letter callsigns right off the bat; apparently, it's now been changed to report existing three-letter callsigns as used rather than invalid.  Excellent.  Alpha Licensee LLC applied for KXL-FM on 2011-03-15.
 * Though this is technically still a Support for me, I'm willing to sit on it a couple days and, if it actually does change, withdraw. (On the other hand, I'd love to know why (for a second time!) the external links have been changed to  when anyone can see that none of the links work, and anyone with experience knows that radio-info doesn't update for a long time, and Arbitron won't update until next season, so KUFO is supposed to be in those two for a while anyway.) --Closeapple (talk) 06:56, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Support on a technical basis but suggest (as above) dragging our heels for a bit. The KXL-FM call sign was applied for on March 15th and there's no obvious impediment to the change. If it's not resolved by, say, March 29th (i.e., two weeks from the filing) then we move it back to KUFO and keep a weather eye on it. (I confess, I moved the article to KXL-FM... but only from "KXL (FM)" after another normally quite steady and reliable editor had moved it there from KUFO.) - Dravecky (talk) 06:19, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose as while the FCC database record is still showing "KUFO" the FCC's Call Sign History for the station shows that the call sign was indeed legally changed on March 22nd. - Dravecky (talk) 10:31, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Withdrawn as moot: FCC CSRS shows KXL-FM as taking effect 2011-03-22, and on the same day, shows the KUFO call sign assigned to AM 970 at Portland, the former KXFD. The Call Sign History also shows it: FacID 26932 (FM 101.1) and FacID 26926 (AM 970).  On the audio stream, the programming identified at noon (PDT) today as "Newsradio 101 FM and 750 AM, KXL Portland", which doesn't seem to actually meet legal ID for the FM, but it's clear that KUFO is no longer there.  Anyone know if the FM broadcast itself perhaps does ID differently than AM and the Internet stream?  (Also, again a reminder to editors: FMARB and FML won't change from KUFO and KXL for a while and will dead-link if you change them in the meantime.  Anyone know when Arbs come out for Portland?) --Closeapple (talk) 20:34, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
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KUFO web link claims
I am removing the section title and most of the section titled "Save KUFO Movement", as it is a blatantly non-neutral Advocacy coverage for a revival of a former programming format. Wikipedia contributions must meet Neutral point of view across the entire contribution; simply putting things in quotes with "XXX said" on the front does not magically convert advocacy into neutral coverage of facts. In particular: Usually I would just remove this sort of advocacy, but apparently some vandals(?) were blanking the same section without apparent reason or edit summary so much that it required page protection, so I wanted to make the distinction here. --Closeapple (talk) 01:55, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) The section name is WP:PUFFERY right off the bat.  ("Movement"?  Really? Charlie Sheen recently got a million followers in a week, but one Facebook page about a defunct local radio station with 1,363 followers is a "Movement", like the Great Leap Forward or something?)
 * 2) Nearly all of the section is similarly-worded cut-and-paste spam quotes directly from a laid-off employee's Facebook page, with his main web page URLs mentioned repeatedly, and then repeated some more as footnotes that strattle the line between references and WP:REFSPAM.
 * 3) What is not straight cut-and-paste spam is WP:PUFFERY with unquantified opinions like that "The fans expressed their frustrations and disappointments mainly through groups and fan pages" and that when this Facebook page was put up, the "response ... was very impressive".
 * 4) Also, per WP:NOTNEWS, "breaking news should not be emphasized or otherwise treated differently from other information".  It cannot be established that this Facebook page (or "movement" or whatever) is notable unless one makes crystal ball assumptions that it will be important in the future.


 * After further insertion of a commercial appeal and links to Facebook campaign pages, I've blanked that section as unambiguous advertising. If a former employee wants to advertise a $6.99/month webstream with a simulation of KUFO's format, they can take out an ad in the Portland paper. This is Wikipedia, not Craigslist. - Dravecky (talk) 06:19, 22 March 2011 (UTC)