Talk:K money trail

Balance Needed
This article is too much anti-K gossip with out facts and needs its description and analysis equilibrated. So I put the balance needed tag at the beginning. Monkeypuzzled (talk) 14:26, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Even the 'Government reactions' section is biased. This article reads like a gossip column not an encyclopedia. Monkeypuzzled (talk) 18:17, 21 August 2013 (UTC)


 * The controversy itself took place mainly in Periodismo para todos, but most references used are from the coverage of La Nación, which does not have ties with Lanata, and it is in fact a newspaper of record. On the other hand, Página 12 and similar newspaper are fringe media that nobody reads, and only stays in business because the government finances them in exchange of their support. Thus, they have a conflict of interest in this. As for the reactions, those were precisely the reactions, the things the government has said in response to those investigations. Cambalachero (talk) 18:18, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Encyclopedic content must be verifiable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anothernico (talk • contribs) 04:02, 12 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Let me clarify a bit further. The main idea of the government is basically that the Dirty War (a conflict in the 1970s between the army and guerrilla groups) is still going on, with renewed factions and methods. The government would be continuing the fight of the guerrillas, against those that would be continuing the fight of the military junta. And under this angle, everything that goes wrong for the government (the high inflation, the scarcity of several products in the markets, the massive demonstrations, the disasters caused by collapsing public services, the raise in crime, the newspapers giving bad news, the defeat in the recent elections, the judiciary repealing certain laws as unconstitutional, etc) is because of such forces and their hidden conspiracies. Of course, such vision is a fringe one, only held by media financed by the government to voice this nonsense, and who would go into bankruptcy if they lost this support. For everybody else who does not a conflict of interest involved, Occam's razor prevails, and things are just as they seem to be. The Dirty War ended three decades ago, inflation is caused by the standard causes of inflation, newspapers with bad news means that bad news are taking place, and a TV report about an embezzlement case is not a threat to democracy or a veiled coup attempt but a TV report about an embezzlement case. Check any trustworthy international media, and you'll find the later vision. Check the most trustworthy media in Argentina, and you'll find the later vision (as mentioned, La Nación has no ties to the media that made the original report, and it is a newspaper of record; Periodismo para todos has received Martín Fierro Awards). Check the most watched news sources, and you'll find the later vision: Clarín is the most sold newspaper in Argentina, La Nación is the second, and Periodismo para todos is the most watched political TV program in Argentina. In fact, if things have not changed since last I heard, it may be the most watched TV program in Argentina in 2013, of any genre.
 * This does not mean that the vision of the government should be ignored. It should be included, yes, and it is included, but without undue weight. Cambalachero (talk) 05:14, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

I added new references to the article, plus the necessary denials to the sayings of Lanata. I incorporated more information about Panama authorities and the banks involved.Moya13 (talk) 07:23, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

By the way, what I said about government-controlled media can be seen here, at the New York Times, if someone needs to confirm that I'm not exaggerating. As for Moya1, a new user created on the fly to join an ongoing discussion and who is already using wiki slang is very likely to be a sock puppet. Cambalachero (talk) 13:46, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Anothernico, Moya13, do you have something to say in this discussion? Cambalachero (talk) 14:40, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

The sources come from several different newspapers, personal opinions should not count. Do not understand why erase what you do not likeMoya13 (talk) 08:35, 9 November 2013 (UTC)


 * I have already said what is wrong with Página 12, Infobae and other government-financed media, and why they can't be used as references in politics. Cambalachero (talk) 15:54, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

you say something does not mean it is the truth, the information is referenced by means recognized, Página 12 is the third most popular newspaper in the country and also La Nación.Moya13 (talk) 18:31, 9 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Check the sales of the ten most sold Argentine newspapers on the last August 2013 here. Clarín sells 238,483 newspapers each day, and La Nación sells 159,848. Diario Popular gets almost the third part of Clarín's sales, and many others follow: la Gaceta, La Voz del Interior, La Capital, etc. Página 12 is not even in the list. Cambalachero (talk) 20:06, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

I would ask you not to delete information referenced by multiple sources, Argentina national and foreign newspapers, their only sources are the newspaper La Nación, to use a single information is unreliable, if you want to add add information but not delete or change the information add other users. I think his attitude is very negative and uncooperative a reliable article but an opinion pieceMoya13 (talk) 03:37, 28 December 2013 (UTC)


 * I have already said what is wrong with the sources that you add: they are both unreliable, with a conflict of interest, and nobody reads them. You can't add such sources to the article just to have more variety. If you want to add other sources, consider sources such as CNN or the New York Times. Cambalachero (talk) 12:41, 28 December 2013 (UTC)


 * I cannot believe that someone can argue "nobody reads them" to deny sources like Pagina 12, a well known Argentinian newspaper that is used all across other articles in Wikipedia. Wikipedia is to inform, not to convince people Fedemika (talk) 17:45, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Name change
I propose changing the name of this article from "The Route of the K-Money" to "The K Money Trail", as this name seems to be preferred by English-language news sources.


 * Buenos Aires Herald: https://buenosairesherald.com/politics/judiciary/cristina-kirchner-acquitted-in-ruta-del-dinero-case
 * Associated Press: https://apnews.com/article/cristina-kirchner-corruption-casanello-trail-7f91ded6e47dde7819e9215cbfd3942c
 * Reason: https://reason.com/volokh/2015/02/09/argentinas-free-press-is-in-gr/

I cannot find any well-known English-language sources using the name "The Route of the K-Money". Astaire (talk) 14:09, 17 November 2023 (UTC)