Talk:Kaʻiulani

Surfing

 * http://imagesofoldhawaii.com/surfing-in-britain/
 * https://documents.pub/document/ancient-hawaiian-surfboards.html (talks about Alaia surfboard)
 * https://www.culture24.org.uk/history-and-heritage/art24050
 * https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2127579/How-Hawaiian-princes-brought-surfing-Yorkshire-1890.html
 * http://lalaalaia.blogspot.com/2013/01/the-kaiulani-board.html
 * https://www.surfer.com/features/new-exhibit-oldest-surfboards-in-hawaii/ (measurement for the board)
 * https://www.staradvertiser.com/2019/12/03/features/exhibit-on-surfing-to-open-as-hawaii-rides-wave-of-publicity-around-first-olympic-events/
 * https://www.newspapers.com/clip/64569692/honolulu-star-advertiser/
 * https://www.newspapers.com/clip/64569673/honolulu-star-advertiser/


 * This begs the curious question of what was considered proper surf attire in the 19th century? Even more so among women. I imagine in Hawaii, it was accepted for boys to wear lavalava loin cloths, and women wore .... what? 19th century expected swim attire of American women was full dresses with stockings in the water. That would not have been practical for the physical balancing required.  I wonder how Kaiulani dressed for surfing?  — Maile  (talk) 22:29, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
 * It likely would have been full-body swimwear since her cousins wore neck-to-knee swimsuits made of wool or cotton in their 1890 surf. KAVEBEAR (talk) 04:12, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 * It likely would have been full-body swimwear since her cousins wore neck-to-knee swimsuits made of wool or cotton in their 1890 surf. KAVEBEAR (talk) 04:12, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

''“She may have been the first female surfer in Britain, but the only tangible evidence – so far – is a letter in which she wrote that she enjoyed “being on the water again” at Brighton. She may have meant a walk on the West Pier, or a walk on the promenade. Ka’iulani liked swimming and surfing. She was a high-spirited girl, who when she returned to Hawaii, liked to sneak out past midnight to go swimming in the moonlight with girlfriends.”''
 * https://www.museumofbritishsurfing.org.uk/hawaiian-royals-surf-bridlington-in-1890/

''Is it possible that Ka’iulani could have surfed in Britain? “We don’t know yet, is the honest answer,” says Robinson. “There’s a quote about her from when she was living in Brighton about how she loved being ‘on the water again’, and at the time Brighton was the sea-bathing capital of Britain, so there is a chance, but we haven’t found anything yet that proves it one way or the other. I like to think she did.” Ka’iulani might have surfed in Brighton or she might not, but Robinson is adamant that she never surfed on her visits north of the Border.''
 * http://www.rogersadventures.co.uk/2006/07/the-tartan-wave/

Emma Nakuina, godmother
KAVEBEAR (talk) 10:14, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
 * https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn82014682/1916-10-16/ed-1/seq-1/
 * https://wscc.historichawaii.org/profile/emmanakuina/

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Hello, this is one issue I have with the summary: "The Provisional Government of Hawaii rejected pleas from both her father Archibald Scott Cleghorn, and provisional president Sanford B. Dole, to seat Kaʻiulani on the throne, conditional upon the abdication of Liliʻuokalani." Can we change the emotionally charged wording of "pleas" to more a neutral wording of "suggestions"? It should also be the Committee of Safety because these conversations happen prior to the establishment of the PG. KAVEBEAR (talk) 06:42, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I think changing the wording to be more neutral in this case may change the sense of urgency and true emotion of what was actually occurring. I believe the wording to be historically accurate. But what does the source itself impart? Is there that sense of urgency in how the content is written in the original source? If not then perhaps the content should be reviewed. Mark Miller (talk) 04:30, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I think "proposal" is fine. I don't doubt Cleghorn's emotional investment, but using "pleas" would imply Dole had an emotional stake in the matter which from his memoir doesn't seem so. KAVEBEAR (talk) 07:19, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Sister
in one of the sentences it says ka'iulani's niece (through her sister rose). ka'iulani had no siblings. 808Poiboy (talk) 02:41, 30 March 2024 (UTC)


 * She had three older paternal half-sister and also a younger half-brother who was born after her death. KAVEBEAR (talk) 07:20, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * ooooh.. I didn't know that. my apologies 808Poiboy (talk) 17:14, 6 April 2024 (UTC)