Talk:Kaaterskill Falls

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"At some time in the 19th century the falls were used as a mill to power a tannery[12]."

The falls never powered a tannery, the nearest tanneries were in Hunter and down in Kaaterskill Clove near the writer meant the sawmill on Spruce Creek, which was the original dam to control the flow of water over the Falls. And why is the image of the Spray House linked to at the end of the statement? Is he implying the Spray House was a mill? Nonsense... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.39.164.250 (talk) 17:31, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

To the anon that keeps putting back in some of the original language, let explain why I reverted or changed it:

R AlexanderBoyle
 * Kindred Spirits is more than just a topographically inaccurate depiction of the falls, it is just plain inaccurate. And that's precisely the point ... it's a p, p, p, p, painting. How many of those HRS landscapes are accurate representations of the river and the mountains? None (WRONG!) ... painters do this to landscapes all the time. It's called art. For sure. All we need to do is note that it's a stylized rendition, where the real landscape is, and that's it. For sure. No need for fancy words and adverbs.reply, None? not true, this isn't Impressionism or abstraction many are faithful to their original locations see . Also compare the Durand to Cole's work and the two have almost nothing to do with each other. If it is a stylized rendition then it is of Fawn's Leap, the location most serious art historians like John Howatt of the Metropolitan Museum of Art have tagged to this work. Lastly the other supposed image by Durand of the Falls on the page is not a painting by Asher B. Durand. It is a lesser hand's copy of an unknown compostion.


 * Whatever. My point is that Durand, like so many other artists before and since, was after overall effect. To make his painting work, he chose to put the falls in a location which doesn't match where they really are. We can simply note this without suggesting he was somehow supposed to be rendering them accurately. (I note on the page you linked to that while you can certainly match many HRS landscapes with real ones even today, the page doesn't even get Sunny Morning on the Hudson right ... that's the view of Kaaterskill High Peak from nearby Round Top, available today only via bushwhack. not from the Mountain House site).

reply: Daniel, listen very carefully, that is when Thomas Cole was first able to afford a cheap ride up the Hudson to paint the first images ever done of Kaaterskill Falls. Art is linked to economic events, so no Cole, no Durand. This is of far greater significance to the areas place in American history, than hiking and eating granola with SUNY New Paultz hippies. The discovery of Kaaterskill Falls is a perfect storm of New York state tourism in the 19th century, as it was propelled by the economics of the Erie Canal boom and broadcasted around the world by the literature of Washington Irving and the art of Thomas Cole. Free advertising made this place special. Ergo, to question the date of the Erie Canal's completion's relevance to this subject, well that is to confess to a lesser education. R AlexanderBoyle
 * I still do not see the relevance of putting in what year the Erie Canal opened.


 * Well, now that you explain it, now that makes sense. That should be in the article. Should have been there from the first. Daniel Case 03:59, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

The New York Conservation Department put to flame the Catskill Mountain house on the morning of January 25, 1963 at 6:00am. See the photos of the dee in Van Zandt "Ctaskill Mountain House" book, second edition 1997, page 341. So torched, flame, matches what ever, it went up in smoke intentionally, per government policy. R AlexanderBoyle
 * "Torched" is overly colloquial language for an encyclopedia article, and DEC did not exist when the CMH was burned so I'm putting in the Conservation Department, which did the dirty deed.

Daniel Case 18:39, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

there is an easier way to get to the falls... theres a parking lot with like a 5 minute walk that brings you right to the top of the cliff. why is this not mentioned? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.196.149.78 (talk • contribs)


 * The Escarpment Trail from Schutt Road. It is mentioned, albeit somewhat obliquely — look under "safety issues". Since it makes use of a section of trail closed for very good safety reasons, I want to make that clear and I'd rather people not use it. Daniel Case 04:38, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

The State gets weird periodically when somebody takes a tumble over the falls, so access from above can be shut down without notice. After the Moyers PBS special aired in 2002 a number of people went over and access was closed for a while in late 2002 and 2003. R AlexanderBoyle


 * My recollection is that access from above is always closed ... that's what that pile of brush at the trail junction means. Daniel Case 03:59, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Kaaterskill Falls is not the highest in New York. That title belongs to Letchworth State Park, which has a fall a good 100ft. taller than Kaaterskill. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letchworth_State_Park). Wffurr (talk) 22:03, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Link
I added a this link about the Kaaterskill Falls information but Daniel Case reverted it saying that it is spam. NHRHS2010 Talk  01:53, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Replied on my talk page by Daniel Case. NHRHS2010  Talk  12:47, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Clove?
Is the term clove specific to the Catskill region? Does it mean a gorge/valley? What's the etymology? Mirboj (talk) 23:10, 12 January 2008 (UTC)


 * From Dutch kloof, similar to the English "cleft". It's used most in the Catskills, but there are a few other cloves elsewhere in the Hudson Valley. Daniel Case (talk) 05:25, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Height
Something doesn't seem right about the measurements listed in the article. The total height is listed as 260' with the largest drop listed as 240'. This implies to me that the lower waterfall is 20' and, having been there just a few weeks ago, it is clearly not. It's easily double that. Xxovercastxx (talk) 22:14, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

See the following photo taken by me:. Click to enlarge and you can clearly see a red dot on the ridge. That red dot is a person roughly 5'9" tall. Xxovercastxx (talk) 18:02, 19 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Will change per this source. Daniel Case (talk) 16:09, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

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