Talk:Kabali/Archive 1

Dubs
In this edit I moved the content about film dubs down to the release section. Seems very out-of-place in the lead, as dubbing is a pretty mundane practice and not a very important detail crucial to our understanding of the subject. Frankly, I see nothing at MOS:FILM about the inclusion of dubs, but if they are to be included, it seems that putting them in a more logical section, like in Release, would be the smarter way to go. I'd venture to guess that most films are dubbed into some language or another. I don't know that that's particularly noteworthy. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:06, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Repetitious content
I keep removing what appears to me to be glaringly repetitious content, specifically the statement "It's also the most watched teaser trailer within 24 hours for an Indian and Asian film", which appears directly after the statement "Its teaser trailer went viral in Asia and became the most watched teaser trailer in Asia after its release in April, gaining 5 million views in less than 24 hours." This content was added probably a third time here by with the justification "It's in the source for goodness sake!" Yes, it may be in the source, but it's also in the sentence before it. All the same points are being hit: "teaser trailer" "most watched" "24 hours" What am I missing here? That it is the most viewed Indian film teaser? Obviously it's the most viewed Indian film teaser, because it's an Indian film and we're talking about a viewing record being broken. Obviously it's an Asian film, because India is in Asia. It's completely useless information, and frankly, the more specific you get, "It's teaser trailer went viral in Asia and became the most watched Indian teaser trailer in Asia", the less impressive it becomes. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 06:23, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I added the information back in because there has been no other teaser trailer for an Indian movie or Asian film that has been released during the time of YouTube and social media to receive this much attention. I am not repeating information because it is the most watch "teaser trailer" in Asia, not out of Asian films only but of films from around the world that have been released in Asia, that is what you're not getting. You said, "That it is the most viewed Indian film teaser? Obviously it's the most viewed Indian film teaser, because it's an Indian film" that doesn't make sense because this is not the only Indian film that has been released, is it? India produces more films than any other country in the world and that's only for Bollywood, so that's why I can see that it's a good reason for keeping it in. Do you understand what I'm saying? (120.144.52.147 (talk) 06:37, 18 June 2016 (UTC))
 * It's repetitive. "The most watched teaser in Asia" means that out of all other countries' films, this Indian film's teaser was watched the most. That is impressive. Pointing out that it is Indian is unnecessary, because we know it's Indian. Pointing out that it's an Asian trailer that did well in Asia is unnecessary, because we know it's Asian. It's like saying "Irishman John Doe is the richest person in Europe. He's also the richest person in Ireland and the richest European in Europe." We know he's the richest European, because we know that he's Irish. Obviously he's the richest Irishman if we know he's Irish and the richest man in Europe. We've already covered the lesser accomplishments by covering the major accomplishment. He's also the richest person named Doe in Europe or in Ireland, the richest Irishman in Ireland... but so what? The Irishman is the richest person in Europe. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 06:59, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
 * The thing is, you obviously didn't read the source because I noticed you removed it a few days ago. You still don't get it, it's not the most watched Indian/Asian teaser trailer in Asia but in the world that's why it's a separate sentence, it's not repetition and that's why I've included it. Here is a different source as I noticed you said the previous one was not reliable. [] (120.144.52.147 (talk) 07:08, 18 June 2016 (UTC))
 * Which source says "most watched Indian teaser trailer 'in the world'"? The prose you wrote didn't make that claim, so there's a clear reason for me not understanding what you were talking about. I've never heard of The News Minute, so I'm reluctant to agree that it meets WP:RS, but assuming it did, it doesn't even qualify the record by indicating the scope of the record. "In the world" is glaringly missing, and it just describes the trailer as "the most watched Indian trailer" two weeks before this source qualifies the scope as "in Asia". The India Today link has the same omission. So does Times of India. Anyhow, if you want to say "By May 2016 the teaser trailer had reportedly received 17.1 million views, making it the highest viewed Indian film teaser at the time." I'd be fine with that. But then we wouldn't need "In Asia", or "In India" because we would have covered that with the general record. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 07:29, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Okay, I understand that it was ambiguous, after re-reading what was originally published I agree with you and can see that the information about its impact in Asia is quite impressive and I feel it's lost in a way in the new edit. I've added part of it in but I think if you want to as well we could revert it back to the original version and omit the part about the teaser being the most viewed Indian teaser trailer because its impact in Asia seems to be a bit more impressive as opposed to the former. What do you think ? (120.144.52.147 (talk) 07:49, 18 June 2016 (UTC))

"Went viral" sound like marketing puffery, which I don't find useful or appropriate. I also find it dubious to assert the teaser was the most viewed in Asia with 5 million views. Most viewed in 24 hours seems more likely, but I have to take care of something and do not presently have time to research this. I'll have to revisit this later, but will leave the current wording alone. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 08:02, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
 * That's alright, yes we can leave it as that for now. (120.144.52.147 (talk) 08:10, 18 June 2016 (UTC))

Range of opinion on budget
In this edit, I presented the budget as a range. At some point, here the budget was reduced from 160c to 110c by with the vague and insufficient explanation "Added reference for budget". This explanation is insufficient because it doesn't explain a valid rationale for reducing the budget, which is provided by a reliable published source. This 110 crore value was then changed here and here, with the summaries "rev vandalism" and "rev gossip source". The 110c value is obviously not vandalism, as it too is sourced. The "gossip" claim is not adequately established, and all these figures are estimations anyway that are derived from questionable means. It seems the most academically responsible thing to do is either to present the budget content as a range of the various opinions from reliable sources or to omit the budget until the data begins to stabilize. I don't particularly care either way, but the back-and-forth needs to stop. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:43, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

True. As you said, all these figures are sourced from questionable means. It is better to leave the budget column blank. The range does not look convincing.TamilThiraiUlagam (talk) 18:55, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 July 2016
As part of Kabali movie promotion Amazon India is selling Kabali print t-shirts.

Premnathjeedi (talk) 08:49, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. nyuszika7h (talk) 20:44, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

Budget.
The budget sourced from the NDTV site seems speculated. There is no other source which quotes the same budget. The film was initially announced as a moderately budgeted gangster film. Immediately after the film's teaser went viral, there were different budget figures quoted by different web portals. I suggest we wait for a better source. Totally, the Budget of this movie, remains mystery and the producer become so mad and greed to earn money fast and huge. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dummyking9 (talk • contribs) 10:16, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Piracy and online prints
There has been speculative and unconfirmed news in the media re: pirated online copies uploaded online. I would request not to publish such information not in the main article until it has been confirmed or statement from the police or a concerned agency.Rms77 (talk) 13:46, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I agree with you,, but Wikipedia accepts information from online news agencies. The Indian Express tells me "Rajinikanth’s Kabali has been leaked online three days before release, according to reports...", while IBT tells me "Rajinikanth's much-awaited movie "Kabali," which is set for a grand release on July 22, has reportedly been leaked online..." and with only the TOI sounding speculative. It is not possible to ascertain a possible leak other than depending on these news URLs. You also raise that we rely on statements from police or concerned agencies. Is that really possible? How do we do that? Please share you comments. Best, Mr. Nair   Talk  07:50, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

News about piracy on lead section
I believe this news snippet satisfies WP:FILMLEAD and is controversial enough to be included in the lead. But, thinks I am giving undue weight to this news, mostly because the video links were removed from the web. The links' availability should not be our concern. The fact that it was covered by most national dailies makes it fair. Views? ? Also, all editors, please raise your concerns here before reverting any edits. Best, Mr. Nair   Talk  11:44, 21 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Concern was not about the links. The subject was not a controversy, leading dailies reporting an incident does not make it a controversy. Did the producer suffered any loss, or anyone downloaded it, or there had a war-of-words on the subject ?. It is not like Premam or Leela, where 1000s of copies (including censored copies) were downloaded within an hour, and the long-term disputes surrounding it. Not to mention that all the cited sources in the section Online piracy issue use words such as "reportedly been" and "according to reports", indicating that they don't even no whether it is real or hoax. And what makes you think the leaked camera-print (showing Rajinikanth's entry scene) someone captured from a preview show is notable ?. --Charles Turing (talk) 13:40, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
 * We don't and can't know if the producer suffered any loss. That would take a data scientist to scrounge through the numbers as to who all downloaded the copies from the darknet. We don't know if anyone downloaded it, but a piracy incident almost always implies that. If we begin comparing, then I agree this one is not as notorious as what happened with those films you mention. But, when leading dailies report it, then it IS notable, is it not? 'Reportedly been' and 'according to reports' is enough. It shows that the news has been made from authoritative source, say a cyber crime agency in this case. A news agency cannot say that they looked up the files online and downloaded it. That is why they say 'reportedly'. I don't know, mate, this now looks like a pointless exercise to me. Let a third party intervene. Also, I agree with you about the short sequence part. Not notable enough to be on the lead section. Best, Mr. Nair   Talk  13:55, 21 July 2016 (UTC)


 * You still not said how come this become a controversy, as it was the point you asserted to take it to lead. As you said if no reports are available about the producers loss or any other arguments in this case. Then there is definitely no controversy. Don't attribute anything (say cyber crime agency) yourself which is not mentioned in the news. Vague terms such as "reportedly" and "according to reports" will not be used in a confirmed news, don't develop your own theories. If they have a source they will credit it (see example) or atleast state it as "said a close source". According to latest reports, the makers has rubbished all piracy news as "rumours", producer is making an official statement . And "rumours" has no place in Wikipedia. The trivia about the leak of introduction scene is not only non-notable for the lead, but for the article itself as a whole. I agree with you, intervention of a third party is necessary here. Don't give undue weight for things which it is not. Everything reported in news are not taken into Wikipedia. --Charles Turing (talk) 17:27, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Dear, let's just not blow this out of proportion. If no one replies in this thread by July 24 UTC, please go ahead and remove the statement from the lead. Thanks, Mr. Nair   Talk  06:26, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

plot
The main theme of this movie is how a gangster (KABALI) finds and protects his family from his enemies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Priyaluvbala (talk • contribs) 18:28, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
 * So? Mr. Nair   Talk  18:29, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 July 2016
An unsatisfying difference between the wishes of fans and director : The movie had gigantic promotions and expectations from not only fans but also across film industry around the world. It is normal revenge drama with Malaysian-Tamil setting, all actors in the movie have done justifications to their roles other than villain "Tony Lee" , director should have thought about mass villain or better performer to clash against "superstar Rajini". Rajini with suits looks classy and stylish, fantastic performance from Radika Apte ,Dhansika and Dinesh while Riythvika playing an surprising role. Overall onetime watch family entertainer and thalaiva's mass however director Pa. Ranjith has given a sense of letdown.

Rajiv Prasanna(rajivprsn) (talk) 19:28, 22 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: This is not a forum for discussing the movie. ~ Rob 13 Talk 19:43, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Budget of Kabali
The budget of Kabali is 170 crore ($25.5 million).

http://www.forbes.com/sites/dongroves/2016/07/23/record-debuts-for-tamil-superstar-rajinikanths-kabali-as-producer-discusses-piracy-and-a-sequel/#1dba2e4739a9 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wadelison (talk • contribs) 07:04, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 July 2016
"Please change below given content The Indian financial company Muthoot FinCorp who is also an official partner of the film produced silver coins embossed with the image of actor as cast in the film.

to the below given content

The Indian financial company Muthoot Fincorp who is an exclusive on-ground merchandising partner of the film, launched Lucky Superstar silver coins embossed with the image of Superstar Rajnikanth. This coin would be available in 3,800 outlets of Muthoot Fincorp.

Because Muthoot Fincorp has asked to make the changes.

Arrnavb (talk) 09:05, 25 July 2016 (UTC)


 * The proposed change looks overly promotional and includes peacock terms as well as advertising for the company. --bonadea contributions talk 09:14, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 July 2016
Please change Kabali is expected to be released in Tamil worldwide, along with dubbed versions in Hindi, Telugu, and Malayalam.[30] The film will be simultaneously released in Singapore and Indonesia.[31] Malik Streams Productions and Distribution, a Malaysian media company, will simultaneously release the film in Malay for exclusive screening in Malaysia alongside the original Tamil version.[32]The film will also be dubbed in Thai and Chinese, where talks are under way to simultaneously release the film in Hong Kong and China.[33][34] Kabali will also premiere at the Le Grand Rex in Paris, France.[35]

to

Malik Streams Productions and Distribution, a Malaysian media company, will simultaneously release the film in Malay for exclusive screening in Malaysia alongside the original Tamil version.[32] Step on Moon Productions which acquired the distributing rights overseas for the Telugu and Tamil versions in Germany is going to screen a Premiere show in Berlin on the 21st of July. The film will also be dubbed in Thai and Chinese, where talks are under way to simultaneously release the film in Hong Kong and China.[33][34] Kabali will also premiere at the Le Grand Rex in Paris, France.[35] Pmac1988 (talk) 07:36, 19 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. VarunFEB2003 (talk) 11:38, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Kabali Music : Non-Avalibility of SPBalasubramaniam
The non-avalibility of the singer as mentioned on Kabali movie page is not true. Please remove that part from wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lanjish (talk • contribs)
 * Appears to have already been done. I don't see any mention of this person in the article. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:37, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Standardize spelling of full name
I noticed different spellings of the full name of Kabali, so I picked the one from this news article. Editors should feel free to update as a consensus is gained with the release of more sources in time. → scribble ink  ᗧHᗣT 02:54, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Financial table
In this edit restored a financial table to the article with the explanation "124.25 + 87.5 = 211.75, No distributor share, no tax figures, only GROSS figures at the box office". I suppose this was in response to my removal of the table which I explained thusly: "These financial tables appear every time there's a new major Indian film, yet there is no consensus for inclusion and they tend to attract financial cruft like distributor's share, nett, nett gross, blah blah. Please seek consensus at WP:ICTF". Somehow Drmsonepur missed the part about seeking consensus for inclusion, as well as some of my other points. If the content is clearly presented in prose, there's no need for a table. Further, as I thought I clearly explained, these tables attract financial cruft, that is, they encourage people to populate them with excessive data, and if there's one thing I see far too much of at Indian film articles, it's excessive financial data. Case in point: Why are we including the Tamilnadu gross? When has any American film been broken up by California gross vs. entire US gross? And why are we breaking down the international gross into 1) what I presume is the entire international gross, and 2) the US-Canada gross? Completely arbitrary. And lastly, we should be following the model set forth by MOS:FILM (which, interestingly, I almost never hear mentioned by editors of Indian film articles). There's no encouragement at MOS:FILM to create financial tables. So I don't know what Drmsonepur is using as his model for this content, but it's not our established community guidelines. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:26, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Behindwoods.com
Is Behindwoods a verifiable/authoritative source? What do you guys think? Best, Mr. Nair   Talk  07:04, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
 * WP:ICTF says that it is not, though the discussion that was linked did not have many voices arriving at a definitive conclusion. There are more discussions here. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:39, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Looks like it is mildly reliable. Mr. Nair   Talk  07:28, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 July 2016
In malaysian version, a screen note that Kabali surrenders to police and titles are shown.

203.199.204.198 (talk) 07:25, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — Andy W.  ( talk  · ctb) 16:14, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 July 2016
in the plot.. change "falsely charge" to "falsely charged"

Kprasad 8979 (talk) 21:53, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: The phrase "falsely charge" doesn't appear in the plot section, so it's unclear what you want changed. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 00:07, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 July 2016
Mention the country while mentioning Puducherry, India

Kprasad 8979 (talk) 20:24, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Cyphoidbomb (talk) 00:08, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 July 2016
a change in gross. the film grossed more than 300 crores in 5 days .so pls edit it. http://www.ibtimes.co.in/kabali-7-days-box-office-collection-rajinikanths-film-ends-high-note-first-week-688236#Jpg3iaS1KVCv5rTB.97

This is a reliable source please check it. They are the same one who calculated the BO result of Thani Oruvan and even wikipedia has updated that article. So try this source. 62.209.9.112 (talk) 13:44, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
 * ❌ Please provide reliable sources for the same. &mdash; Vensatry (talk) 16:49, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 July 2016
During the Kabali Movie success meet, S. Thanu the producer of the film delivered the message that the Kabali movie has collected Rs. 389 Crore by the end of the seventh day from the movie release date. so Please change the box office to Rs.389 Crore

Shivgowder (talk) 20:19, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
 * ❌ - 1) you didn't provide a reliable source. 2) Even if you had, the information contradicts other independent sources. 3) We don't use primary sources, that is, people who are directly involved in a thing, as a source of controversial information like financial data. People closely connected with a film would have every reason to inflate or deflate their financial information, either to make their films look more appealing, or to make them look less appealing to investors or the entertainment tax collector. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 00:50, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 July 2016
Mohanlal has bagged the Kerala distribution rights of Kabali. The movie will be distributed in Kerala by Mohanlal's MaxLab and Antony Perumbavoor's Aashirvad Cinemas.

2601:646:C480:2132:84AE:E2E5:A5C2:D12 (talk) 18:58, 20 July 2016 (UTC)


 * "Bagged" would not be appropriate tone for an encyclopedia. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:01, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: VarunFEB2003 (talk) 13:34, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

Edit request for overseas box office section
The movie managed to secure the No.1 spot at UAE's box office collection in the first week. Source: https://twitter.com/rameshlaus/status/759361204087238656 and also became the first South-Indian movie to collect over INR 100 crores in overseas. Source: https://twitter.com/rameshlaus/status/759356108876025856 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.238.226.38 (talk) 10:12, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

1st day worldwide record opening
Kabali broke Baahubali record to become the biggest opener for an Indian film worldwide by raking in Rs. 87.5 crore on first day worldwide.

Ref-- http://www.ibtimes.co.in/kabali-worldwide-box-office-collection-all-time-biggest-indian-opener-687657#EwYXs7K4QOUuguBU.97 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.197.224.111 (talk) 18:11, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 August 2016
Contents of request removed for navigability. Contained the entire page copy-pasted with modifications.

Chrisichigo (talk) 07:00, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Please do not copy-paste the entire article into this talk page. Please describe in words what edits you want to have made. FYI, I copy-pasted your suggestions onto the page to view for diffing. Your update of the film's gross from ~200 crore to ~600 crore is not supported by the ref that is currently given. — Andy W. ( talk  · ctb) 07:30, 4 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi, I know you're only passing through to help with edit requests, but I'll leave this here anyway for the next reader's benefit: It should be noted that International Business Times, which is typically considered a reliable source for Indian film articles, has called out ultra-high box estimates for Kabali as "fake", and places the more sane estimates at around ₹309-350 crore rupees (3.09-3.50 billion rupees). In some cases, the sources are lumping in pre-release income like music rights sales into the box office figures, which is never done. If a source is doing that, the entirety of what they report on that subject should be considered suspect. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:52, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I added the IBTimes story to the box office section. It's odd to have this kind of discrepancy but I suspect someone wants to be known for the top earliest releases as soon as possible. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 22:00, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Apparently seems unswayed by my previous explanations at List of highest-grossing Indian films to have made these edits. I've provided an in-depth explanation here, but tl;dr the bottom line is the only thing we know for sure is that the film has grossed 309-350 crore, not anywhere in the 600+ range. The latter is disputed by IBT, whose analysts both found the high values to be questionable, and that have arrived at the conclusion that the high values lump the 200 crore pre-release income. To keep adding it is extraordinarily deceptive because (I reiterate) the only thing we know for sure is that the film has grossed 309-350 crore.  Cyphoidbomb (talk) 22:49, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia has no deadline, why was this not applied for Sultan at ₹ 297.56 cr as per these ref's?  . Thanks. --  P earll's S un  TALK 14:56, 5 August 2016 (UTC)


 * - - It should be very obvious, frankly--Sultan's box office figures aren't in dispute with a 300+ crore disparity between its low estimate and high estimate, and with its high estimates being called "fake". Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:08, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Ok, if the above ref's dont suffice and Sultan on wiki stays at ₹577 crore despite news article puts it below ₹300 crore (yes, its not a 300+ crore disparity but just a 279 crore disparity and that sounds to be a large difference), I have no issues. I'm just a regular wiki member trying to understanding how Wiki Policy applies how and where. I think i might need to take a break from both Kabali Article and the High Grosser and focus attention to less conflicting places. Thanks. -- P earll's S un  TALK 15:26, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
 * - As I have detailed at Talk:List of highest-grossing Indian films, I believe this is a reading comp issue. The sources say ≤300 crore domestic, but the sources also say >500 worldwide, with newer sources leaning toward 570+ Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:18, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

Restored content about box office discrepancy
A couple of days ago added some content about the inflated box office figures. The content was removed without explanation here by. I think the content is academically useful as it describes and presents sufficient context about a controversy surrounding the financial figures. Since all the financials are estimates anyway, readers should know that there are sometimes significant differences of opinion. So in this edit I restored the content and expanded upon it a bit, incorporating reports from both IBT and Firstpost so it doesn't appear only one site had beef with the numbers. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 06:56, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I think it's important to reflect the WP:FRINGE belief that the box office result are literally double what other sources claim and the controversy as where that's coming from. It's kind of interesting that we've never seen this inflation being admitted before. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 07:49, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

650 crore box office
In this edit I reverted the obviously-inflated 650 crore box office claim supported by this photo gallery at Financial Express. Firstly, it's always a bad idea to use photo galleries and slideshows as sources because we don't know who writes them. Interns, perhaps? They're not articles. Secondly, the source is obviously combining the well-publicized pre-release income of 200 crore into the box office numbers. That's reflected in this article also by Financial Express, which not only indicates that interest in the film is slowing down (which is significant because three days ago everyone was psyched to believe that the film grossed 320 crore in six days, but suddenly it's grossed 330 crore extra in three days while slowing down? Don't think so.) and it says explicitly that the 200 crore "from marketing" is included. It says that Kabali grossed 195 crore domestically and 250 crore internationally, so at best we're talking about 445 crore, not 650. Two other things to keep in mind: Wikipedia has no deadline, so we are not required to maniacally update the gross per the latest claims, and we are also not required to blindly regurgitate what sources say. If there's something funky about what they're reporting (as is the case with this photo gallery) then we should be circumspect so as not to get caught up in the spectacle. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:44, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Also, this source from 31 July places the figure at 262 crore, and comments "Rajinikanth’s Kabali is showing signs of flattening out at box office." Higher numbers do not always mean greater accuracy. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:46, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Except Financial Express (indian express), till now there is no other source says Kabali Crosses 600 Cr. All other sources which says this collection, stating source is International Business Times. So suspect is there. Financial Express (indian express) says one day it fails to break Bhagubali and Sultan and after two days they expressed it broke all records. How is it possible to beat, even if the film is not performing well third weeks of its release. Now the movie is running less theaters due to new releases and it is not possible to beat blockbusters like Bhagubali and Sultan even those third and fourth week's collection is same like second week whereas it does not workout in Kabali. Please verify all data from liable sources. The same V Creations declared their earlier project Theri crossed 100 crores in four days but after that they did not say anything about the total collection and Wikipedia does not have even estimated total value of the film's lifetime collection. Now-a-days, saying the film crossed 100 crores in two or three days and it broke all previous records, etc is a market trick to promote the movie to run success in theaters. Kabali's pre-release business is around 200 crores included their BO records but it should not include as per calculation of BO business and that should be calculated in total business. Some sources provided about its fact related to prove the above description. Thanks.

http://www.bollywoodlife.com/news-gossip/rajinikanths-kabali-fails-to-break-salman-khans-sultan-baahubali-box-office-records/ http://www.ibtimes.co.in/kabali-breaks-baahubali-records-fails-beat-sultan-collection-records-overseas-box-office-687856#5JVcAXFBgvwbjcHl.97 http://www.ibtimes.co.in/kabali-breaks-baahubali-records-fails-beat-sultan-collection-records-overseas-box-office-687856#PtuJAhb0lo5G6J25.97 http://www.koimoi.com/box-office/kabali-all-versions-fails-to-beat-the-opening-day-record-of-bahubali/ http://www.hollybollybuzz.com/news-gossip/rajinikanths-kabali-fails-to-break-salman-khans-sultan-baahubali-box-office-records/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kabali kabali (talk • contribs) 10:03, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

Kabali grossed 650 croers http://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/regional/rajinikanth-kabali-box-office-collection-rs-650-crore-leaves-salman-khan-sultan-behind/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arun3w (talk • contribs) 03:22, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

Collection
The collection is supposed to be 600 crores not 300 without prescription release collection.While all other news websites have confirmed it,it is still not updated Maz004 (talk) 16:47, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
 * - If you read any of those sources, it should be clear to you that they're including money the film made before it was released. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 06:51, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

But if you read the katest artice of ibt it says the films collected 650 crores at the box office excluding the pre release budget and many other news websites to agree upon this Maz004 (talk) 15:54, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

Kindly read the latest news about Kabali's collection from ibt or any relient news providers for more details.Also the refeence fot box office collection is outdated Maz004 (talk) 16:05, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

Kabali gad the highest opening for an Indian film and the collection hasnt slowed down yet.Since it has been 2 weeks it would make more sense if the box office figures are changed Maz004 (talk) 16:08, 8 August 2016 (UTC)


 * - What, you want me to do the research myself? If you't got a perspective you want to be considered, bring the references. It's not my job to make your argument for you. As for your claim that the collection hasn't slowed down, even Financial Express, deliverer of highly questionable box office values, said 9 days into the film's run that the collections were slowing down. Sooooo.....? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:36, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

WELL, you just lost your argument by calling financial express as a provider of a highly box of values, indicating that it is unreliable and used it against me by writing that it said the collection had slowed down. As for what you said about me wanting you to research on my behalf ,let me be clear I had only mentioned that so it would be updated to provide who views it with proper information. Maz004 (talk) 12:06, 9 August 2016 (UTC)


 * - I don't understand what you're trying to say. In the future, if you are requesting a change, please provide references. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:52, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request
Edit the content of second paragraph from "Upon release, the film had the largest opening weekend for any Indian film worldwide and immediately became the third highest grossing Tamil film ever." to "Upon release, the film had the largest opening weekend for any Indian film worldwide and went onto became the second highest grossing Tamil film ever." For references, you can check the List of highest grossing Tamil film section from here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_Indian_films#Highest-grossing_Tamil_films — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.32.20.248 (talk) 17:21, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
 * ❌ - Please provide the references. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:22, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

Sir everywhere kabali box office collection is said to be 600 to 650 crores Then why did u changed it to 300 crores Sunil19976 (talk) 15:23, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

It's reference check google news A latest news n then change It is 600 crores Sunil19976 (talk) 15:24, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
 * - No. You check Google News. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:37, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

This source dated August 9 shows estimated Domestic collections at 220 Crore rupees and overseas collections at 275 Crores (Total 495 Crore rupees). It also indicates the pre-release business of 200 Crore rupess separately. Read more at: http://www.filmibeat.com/tamil/news/2016/kabali-total-worldwide-box-office-collections-3-week-nearing-700-crore-236822.html Audit Guy (talk) 02:32, 10 August 2016 (UTC)


 * - Yeah, and that's probably one of many reasons why Filmibeat isn't considered a reliable source by the Indian cinema task force. (Note "Oneindia.com".) Filmibeat hasn't done any independent research, they're just reporting what they've heard "According to reports". Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:50, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Edit the collection
Kabali has earned a total of 470 crores worldwide.most of the websites report saying that Kabali has collected 650 to 700 crores.we all know that these values aren't true.But on closer examination, each of these websites have clearly mentioned that the 650 crore is including the pre-release sales(200 crores).Neglecting them, we would still get the total collections of Kabali as 470 crores and not 350 crores.Kindly change it. Only International Business Times state that the film has earned 350 crores.The IBT reported saying that the film has grossed over 200 crores in the domestic market.whereas the above mentioned websites state that Kabali has collected around 220 crores and the end of its 2nd week. The values match!.

Rs 211 crore from the Indian collections and another Rs 259 cr from the international market.

http://www.financialexpress.com/lifestyle/showbiz/kabali-box-office-collections-rajinikanth-rs-670-cr-does-the-impossible-beats-the-bollywood-brigade/336330/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prasannainfo (talk • contribs) 12:50, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
 * ❌ for reasons already explained here and at Talk:List of highest-grossing Indian films. Rather than parroting content from a source that has been criticized by both IBT and Firstpost as publishing inaccurate info about Kabali, the prudent approach is to wait a while until the data solidifies across a variety of reliable sources. Wikipedia has no deadline. What is not in dispute is that the film has crossed the 350 crore mark. Also,, the next time you post a request, don't steal another editor's thoughts. Plagiarism in any form is intellectually dishonest. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:36, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Edit the "Release" section
The movie has been released two weeks ago but still the "Release" section is displaying the contents in future tenses. For ex: The starting line itself says "Kabali is expected to be ...." and that "The movie *will be* simultaneously released.. " So please correct the release section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.32.20.235 (talk) 11:01, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
 * in these edits. I don't know whether or not the film was released in Singapore and Indonesia, so just changing the tense isn't going to work, because it assumes that it was released. If someone can show that it was released there, then we can change the tense. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:42, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi Cyphoidbomb FYI. The movie was released in Singapore - http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/new-tamil-movie-kabali-draws-huge-crowds. I could not find confirmation on the Indonesian release. Audit Guy (talk) 05:45, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Actually the movie was premiered on Le Grand Rex cinemas in Paris. There are so many videos on YouTube as well as on Le Grand Rex's twitter page. So kindly edit that as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.236.80.250 (talk) 11:59, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 August 2016
Hi Friends kabali teaser is viewed by more than 25 millions, it is simple calculation on first day 2.5 cr people watched the movie world wide if ticket price is Rs.100 then it would have grossed easily 250 cr. same thing is applicable in 2nd day and 3rd day then box office would have reached more than 500 cr. any how ticket price is more than Rs.100 worldwide then you all need to admit the box office collections are more than 600 cr..

hence it is a south indian movie and the movie has got mixed response no one is ready to accept box collections. but in bollywood the movie was average also they accept the box office collections.

122.167.241.43 (talk) 04:33, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Nonsensical request. We don't base our content on armchair mathematics. You're making a number of irrational assumptions:
 * You're assuming that the 25 million Kabali teaser views were from 25 million people who watched it once. For all you know, it was 1 million people watching it 25 times each. How does that affect your ticket price x teaser views calculation? Or maybe 5 million people watched the teaser on average twice each for 10 million views, but a spam botnet accessed the video an additional 15 million times to perniciously inflate the YouTube views? Who knows.
 * You're also making the ludicrous assumption that 100% of the teaser views yielded an equal number of ticket purchases. That would be a statistical impossibility no matter how much people adore 	Rajinikanth.
 * Another major flaw in your cobbled-together logic, which has also been explained numerous times: the 600 crore figure you're swallowing included pre-release income unrelated to box office earnings. Financial Express even says that. Yeah, they bury that information, because they want clicks and don't care that undiscriminating minds will only see the giant 670 in the headline, but it's there for you to read: "Rs 200 cr from marketing push" That doesn't sound like "box office sales" to me. It would be absurd to entertain the 600+ figure because every other film in the world is measured by box office receipts, but I bet you know this and are just conveniently ignoring it. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 08:15, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

mean to say that the movie is watched by less than 2.5 crore people world wide....there are people who watched the movie more than 1 time.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.167.97.85 (talk) 12:03, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

box office
The box office collections given are those 10 days after its is release. Since it had been more than 4 months it needs to be updated Maz004 (talk) 18:14, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
 * - It hasn't been four months. Next question? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:34, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

I meant 4 weeks OK...... and if it is 'reference ' you want check http://boxofficecollection.in/box-office-report/box-office-kabali-24th-day-collection-crosses-209-cr-total-till-4th-weekend-20750. So....... Maz004 (talk) 15:14, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
 * - Wikipedia isn't interested in just any old reference, Wikipedia only cares what reliable published sources with established reputations for fact-checking and accuracy have to say about any given subject, because any clown with an internet connection can start a blog and call himself an expert in any subject. Boxofficecollection.in looks like a faceless blog run by who-knows-whom, so unless you have details and facts at hand and are ready to argue for consideration of this blog as a reliable source, no, it won't do as a reference.


 * Since it appears you can't be bothered to read the other discussions on this page so that you are educated on the cause of the delay, let me explain it to you: we have one reliable source (Financial Express) that claimed some very large box office figure, we have some reliable sources that have reprinted Financial Express's claims with no independent confirmation of their own. We have two reliable sources (First post and IBT) that expressed strong doubt at these inflated figures, particularly because Financial Express (and maybe others) were counting pre-release income, which never ever counts toward box office gross. (We only care about ticket sales, Maz004, not the sale of music rights or satellite rights, okay?) Then we have an ocean full of unreliable blogs and fly-by-night websites that are gleefully republishing unbelievably high figures and making claims that this is the second highest-grossing Indian films of all time. Lastly, we have total radio silence from the rest the legitimate Indian news media and legitimate film analysts on the issue, which speaks volumes. If this is the second-highest grossing Indian film of all time, where are the mainstream news sources to make this determination on their own from their own research?


 * So what makes sense, Maz004? What should a neutral encyclopedia do in this case, particularly if there is no deadline? Do we get caught up in the hype and republish questionably high figures that may be coming directly from the film's marketing department just because Maz004 is impatient? Or do we calmly print the figure that we know for sure the film did gross (350 crore) until the chaos settles and the legitimate Indian news media gets its shit together? Why I'd say the latter is the prudent choice, Maz004, not the former. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:31, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 September 2016
118.92.25.22 (talk) 03:49, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Please update Kabali's box office collections.


 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. With reliable sources, please - see the many discussions above. --bonadea contributions talk 06:37, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 October 2016
175.138.169.9 (talk) 07:26, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 08:48, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

box office
kabali collected 40 cr on the first day Dabishdab (talk) 03:47, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
 * ❌ - Please provide references. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:38, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

As on 27th July, 2018 the production team disclosed that box office collection of Kabali was approximately 320 crores after 7 days of release. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.243.209.140 (talk) 16:01, 29 July 2016 (UTC)


 * , 1) 2018 is 2 years away. 2) The production team can say whatever they want, we only care what can be independently verified by secondary sources. See WP:PRIMARY Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:33, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

secodary sources can also post what they want, andhraboxoffice.com is not a reliable source, only one man is there behind ABO website his twitter account is @DeepakKodela for overseas Comscore(Rentrak) is the only source and it is 100% reliable. Even ABO's overseas collection differs from that. Please don't take ABO as a source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lavinan26 (talk • contribs) 05:50, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
 * , this user didn't mention Andhraboxoffice, so I'm a little confused by your response, but I happen to agree that it wouldn't be considered a reliable source. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 05:57, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

The source for opening weekend 211 Cr is ABO. Sreedhar pillai is much better source than him according to him opening weekend domestic collection will be 110 Cr only, where ABO says its 125 Cr. It is not a worldwide opening weekend record. It is a fact that there is no official box office tracking source for kollywood, so it is better to stop posting about box office collection rather than publishing false figures. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lavinan26 (talk • contribs) 06:10, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Kabali has grossed over 570crores through out the time SivamynthaS (talk) 09:40, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Plz update the box office state SivamynthaS (talk) 09:40, 23 October 2016 (UTC)