Talk:Kaftan/Archive 1

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I do not think the articles should be merged. The African kaftan or boubou (booboo) is a woman's dress. The Turkish and Middle Eastern kaftan is a man's cloak or robe. They are two separate garments. Plus this is the official dress for African women, like the kimono for Japanese, the Qipao for Chinese women, and the sari for Indian women. I feel it needs a separate article in the the dresses category. Trueblue74 (talk) 12:47, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

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Merge Into
In September 2008, someone created Kaftan (boubou), and extensive article which appears to be about women's Boubous, a West African / Mande article of clothing which s like a Kaftan. I'll merge the Boubou elements there, but the fact that there is a West African piece of clothing which is like / sometimes called a Caftan needs to be merged into here. I'll redirect the name here when it is done. T L Miles (talk) 02:00, 20 January 2009 (UTC

Response
I wrote the article, and if it has to be merged, please merge it into the kaftan article. The men's Grand Boubou is a totally different garment. A kaftan is a dress. The grand boubou consists of a dashiki, and pants. A baggy, v-neck robe goes on top of the dashiki and pants. The grand boubou has three different parts. The women's boubou is just a dress and a head scarf or gele.

Arab World
The Caftan was used in the Mashreq countries by all males until the British left, yet there is no mention of it in your article.


 * Why you just not find a source and improve the article?Pouyakhani (talk) 20:54, 31 January 2012 (UTC)


 * There's a problem in that not all robes are necessarily kaftans. If the cut is different, if the name is different, then perhaps it's not a kaftan. I am thinking that this article needs to be revised so that only robes that are called kaftans (Turkey and former Ottoman possessions, Morocco, Western fashion) are covered, and that other robes, with different names, get their own articles. Then perhaps all could be linked to the pages for robe and/or tunic. Zora (talk) 22:23, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Major revision
I gave headings to the various sections and did a lot of rewriting, mostly for clarity and style. I took out the reference to Tom Ford, which was completely undocumented and referred to a late, nostalgic revival of hippie fashion, and wrote a section on hippie clothing and fashion designer adoption of street styles. This section is also not properly documented. I couldn't find anything reliable online that covered the subject. I'm sure that there must be published books that do so, so I *beg* other Wikipedians to expand and document this. I'm sure of the facts -- I was THERE in the Haight Ashbury. I also read Vogue and Harper's Bazaar, and saw photos of jet-set hostesses in fancy kaftans. Zora (talk) 21:37, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Andalusia as source of Moroccan caftan
That assertion is backed by no citations, and indeed, seems highly unlikely. The caftan is a tunic, such as has been worn throughout Eurasia for thousands of years. The Egyptians wore tunics, as did Persians, Greeks, and Romans. The Muslim conquerors of North Africa and Spain wore tunics. Zora (talk) 04:39, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Origin is perse Avicenne11 (talk) 10:57, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

Żupan / kontusz ?
Should Żupan and/or Kontusz be mentioned in the paragraph about the Kaftan in Russia? I don’t what’s the relationship, so maybe they could go into the "see also" section instead? --Geke (talk) 20:43, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

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Replacement of South-East Asian section
As part of reviewing and copy editing this page I have replaced the text of the section "South East Asian" under the heading "Other regional variations", which originally read as follows:

"In the Malay Archipelago, batik is part of an ancient tradition, and some of the finest batik cloth in the world is still made there. Contemporary batik, while owing much to the past, is markedly different from the more traditional and formal styles. For example, the artist may use etching, discharge dyeing, stencils, different tools for waxing and dyeing, wax recipes with different resist values and work with silk, cotton, wool, leather, paper or even wood and ceramics."

The reasons for this replacement were:

- the linked source, (http://kaftan.wordpress.com/batik-art/), was a sales website and not a reliable source; and

- the deleted text was about batik, which is the subject of another article. It didn't mention kaftans.

I was able to find, and cite, a reliable book source concerning a tradition of kaftan use in Southeast Asia, and edited the section accordingly.

Happy to be corrected, and for the edit to be reverted, if this is a controversial or inappropriate decision.

FiveFaintFootprints (talk) 17:49, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

Russia
I added a simple sentence describing the different meaning of the term "kaftan" in Russia (based exactly on how it is already written below) for people casually googling the term after reading War and Peace. As it was, when you Google "kaftan" it comes up with a definition based on the summary of this article: a loose robe or tunic. If I hadn't been bored and idly decided to click on the article and then scanned down to see the "Russian" section I would have had no idea that I was looking at a completely different meaning of the word. I think all different definition of the word being discussed ought to be included in the lede (when practical), and only minor regional variations left for the respective national sections of articles, since many, if not most people who use Wikipedia don't bother with reading the entire article, and these days most don't bother going beyond the blurb that Google comes up with at the top of the page. If "kaftan" can mean two totally different things, it really needs to at least state this fact in a place where casual readers will see it. It may be pandering to laziness, if you want to define it that way, but the whole point is to educate people, and if that is how many readers use the service, it should be taken into account. Makes me think of all the times I HAVEN'T read the whole article and may have come away grossly misinfomred as a result.

70.105.242.162 (talk) 10:10, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

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