Talk:Kakan Hermansson/Archive 1

Hiphipslacker?
This is an unfamiliar term to Anglophones (or at least to me, and apparently to Google). What does it mean?  Dwpaul  Talk   19:32, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
 * My mistake. Hiphopslacker.--BabbaQ (talk) 20:50, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Ah, OK. Though I'm still unclear as to what a "hip hop slacker" is or does. But in that my age may be a factor. Perhaps could still benefit from some expansion/explanation. How did she change to adopt this persona?  Dwpaul   Talk   20:59, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Sommarpratarna
This is another term that I think has no clear analogue in (American) English. I have understood the literal translation to be "Summer talker", and that it is a kind of guest or temporary host, but the Sommarpratarna seems to have a more specific role than that in Swedish media.  Dwpaul  Talk   20:54, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

And is Sommarpratare singular and Sommarpratarna plural? Both uses are plural in the article, making it unclear why there are two different Swedish terms.  Dwpaul  Talk   21:03, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Perhaps changing all of them into Summer talker would do. Sommarpatare is singular and Sommarpratarna is plural, you are correct. If that is any help.--BabbaQ (talk) 21:13, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I like using the Swedish term in the closing sentence, especially since it seems to refer to a special role not simply explained for a non-Swedish audience. But changed to use the plural form in the later reference to agree with the use.  Dwpaul   Talk   21:23, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Having now read Sommar (radio program), I better understand the meaning of the term. hopefully others looking for a better understanding of Sommarpratare will click on the link for the program.  Dwpaul   Talk   21:33, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I changed it to 'Summer Talker' on the basis that it appears to be a title, and titles generally tend to take capitals in English, but am willing to be overruled on this. Crowqueen (talk) 09:59, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
 * It shouldn't really be capitalized, as it isn't a title but a role (you wouldn't capitalize "guest presenter"). The expression "summer talker" doesn't really convey meaning. One possibility: ... guest presenters (Sommarpratarna, literally "summer talkers") ... Note: the use of template Lang-sv. --Stfg (talk) 12:18, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. The capital on 'Summer' [in English] threw me, but I assume that is from the Swedish orthography. In which case, 'summer talkers' might be the right rendering. Crowqueen (talk) 20:58, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
 * As explained immediately above, the Summer in Summer talker is indeed a proper name, being the name of the radio program for which the person described as a Sommarpratare is a guest host. It should, therefore, be translated here Summer talker (as it was). See Sommar (radio program).  Dwpaul   Talk   21:23, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

"Kakan"=Cake?
Does her nickname "Kakan" actually mean "cake" (the confection) in Swedish (as that's how Google translates it)? If so, that might be worth mentioning, as it's unusual (at least it is here, don't know whether it is in Sweden). ;-)  Dwpaul  Talk   23:07, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
 * No actually, Kaka=Cookie and Kakan=The cookie. I guess it is a word she has started using instead of Karin which is a quite old-ish name in Sweden and not something a cool younger girl like I guess.--BabbaQ (talk) 23:12, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
 * She is only known as Kakan and the name Karin is never mentioned either by herself or media.--BabbaQ (talk) 23:13, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Ah, then I should follow my earlier instinct and take her birth name out of the lede. It appears in the Infobox for reference.  Dwpaul  Talk   23:21, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Criticism of Sveriges Radio

 * She criticised Sveriges Radio for its limited selection of non-Swedish celebrity hosts for the show.

I removed this claim from the article as I could not find any support for it at the source given (name=HD1). If there is another source that supports this statement, it can be reinserted.  Dwpaul  Talk   13:55, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for reinserting with the SVT source. I edited a bit further, as I think the expanded quote makes it more clear what Kakan was objecting to. However, I used the Google machine translation (which may have slightly altered her words, e.g., "terribly angry" vs. "pissed", though I don't think that's necessarily a mistranslation) to expand it, so please make sure what I have quoted is at least a reasonable approximation.  Dwpaul   Talk   15:54, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

HBQT?
Is this the Swedish acronym-equivalent of LGBT? If so, let's use the English acronym.  Dwpaul  Talk   16:03, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Oops, yes that is correct.--BabbaQ (talk) 16:17, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Birth name versus professional name in lede
User HandsomeFella and I have exchanged a couple of reverts with regard to the name used in the lede. I have advocated for her professional name (only) to appear in the lede, on the basis that she has never publicly used and the Swedish public have never known her by any name other than Kakan, and cited specific examples at WP:COMMONNAME. HF has proposed that "her name isn't kakan, that's her nickname, per guidelines, full name in lede, and nickname iin double quotes". I note subsequent to my last reversion that the examples I gave that are cited at COMMONNAME do in fact follow that formula. How do others feel about this? Where is the specific policy that governs the name used in the lede? I have agreed not to revert HF's edit yet again if they should insist on it, but I am trying to document this "dispute" for the benefit of future editors of this article.  Dwpaul  Talk   16:46, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Answering my own question: At WP:LEDE:

"The name of a person is presented in full if known, including any given names that are not included in the article's title or are abbreviated there. For example, the article on Calvin Coolidge gives his name as John Calvin Coolidge, Jr. If a person has a commonly known nickname, used in lieu of a given name, it is presented between quote marks following the last given name or initial, as for John F. Kennedy, which has John Fitzgerald "Jack" Kennedy. The quotation marks are not put in bold. A nickname that comes in place of the whole name should be presented after the full name, in parentheses. Also acceptable are formulations like "Alessandro di Mariano di Vanni Filipepi, better known as Sandro Botticelli", when applicable."
 * I propose that the "better known as" form is most appropriate here.  Dwpaul  Talk   16:55, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
 * And have edited the lede to suit.  Dwpaul  Talk   17:01, 19 June 2014 (UTC)