Talk:Kalamata olive

Bad information on nutrition
The nutritional information is wrong. If you go to the site it says that the numbers are for 8 olives, however the Wiki entry says it's for 100 grams. An olive does not weigh 12.5 grams. More like 3 or 4. This really skews the nutritional numbers in a very bad way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.85.108.210 (talk) 20:39, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: rename to Kalamata olive. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:17, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Kalamata (olive) → Kalamata olive – WP:NATURALDIS says Parenthetical disambiguation: If natural disambiguation is not possible, add a disambiguating term in parentheses, after the ambiguous name.. It is possible, in fact usual, as the article first words show. In ictu oculi (talk) 22:02, 24 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Support. While I am dismayed that non-natural disambiguation has been used here, I am delighted that In ictu oculi and I can agree on a move request. Red Slash 01:15, 25 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Support. Easy. —  AjaxSmack   04:32, 25 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Support, obvious really. Constantine  ✍  09:01, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I wonder if this could be applied to the other members of . I created Mission (olive) and probably only used parenthetical disambiguation because it was more common in the category. "Mission olive" is certainly a natural way of referring to that topic, though I'm not familiar enough with the other olives there to say for sure. --BDD (talk) 17:24, 25 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Support. The proposed title is definitely commonly used to refer to this topic.  --B2C 04:32, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Others
Hey, BDD, do you think you could move Patrinia (olive) and Mission (olive) to naturally disambiguated titles? I got all the other ones but it's not letting me move those two. Anyway, have a wonderful day! Red Slash 02:01, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅ --BDD (talk) 16:31, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Images
An image of the tree perhaps showing the leaf size, would be useful. None in Commons.SovalValtos (talk) 17:20, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

"Kalamon" vs. "Kalamata"
Some editors keep removing reference to the name "Kalamon," which is a disservice to the readers.

I've added it back with several more citations now which establish that "Kalamon" and "Kalamata" are in fact the same cultivar/variety of olive. Several of these citations also note that the name "Kalamon" is more commonly used when the olives were not grown within the Kalamata region - often due to EU regulations.

One of the edit summaries where this info was removed said that the source was not reliable. We now though have multiple sources attesting to this.

It's also not a particularly extraordinary claim which would require extraordinary evidence. The article already established that, under EU origin regulations, the name "Kalamata" could only be used when the olives were grown in the Kalamata region. And we also know that the same olive variety is also grown in other regions of Greece and other parts of the world. Therefore, within the EU, they must be marketed with a different name, and the perponderance of the evidence indicates that this other name is, in fact, "Kalamon," which is another name for the same variety.

Readers are likely to come to Wikipedia, as I did, when they see olives in the store sold as "Kalamon," which look the same as "Kalamata" olives, and have a similar name, and wonder what the difference is. We should then be able to provide the answer that they are olives of the same variety, but that when they're grown outside the Kalamata region they may not be marketed in the EU as "Kalamata olives" due to the origin regulations. -79.234.58.211 (talk) 11:17, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Synonyms
There isn’t much logic in this section’s structure, but I guess nobody has dared to touch it as that requires either great expertise or lots of time. So I’m venturing to straighten it a bit without checking stuff and hope that someone more knowledgeable than I will then correct any mistakes that have crept in by my editing.

Update: I ended up checking everything with the (very good) reference page, after all. Then I replaced the Greek names given there by English ones. I can’t find Tsigeli except here; then I didn’t feel like checking the last two lines anymore – maybe a bit later… --Geke (talk) 14:44, 30 May 2021 (UTC)