Talk:Kalki Bhagawan/Archive 4

Awaiting a response from ProdigyHK
There is still no response from User:Prodigyhk regarding the WP:COI questions I have raised. I have a long memory regarding this editor. Back in early 2013, User:Prodigyhk appeared to be editing on behalf of someone else, an IP user who was posting requests regarding this article. The IP user was using the term "Dear ProdigyHK", and I quote: I am one of those users without a reliable/authority registered account @ WP; of which fact I am turning to dear Prodigyhk, askng him to keep-up (again) the good work @ Kalki_Bhagavan's article; so with that said, here are my requests: .... which was followed by a list of requests. And I note the use of a gender pronoun in this comment from the IP user, implying an off-line relationship of some sort. When I queried this at the time, User:Prodigyhk became quite rude and described me as an "unscrupulous fellow". merlinVtwelve (talk) 19:52, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
 * User:Prodigyhk has engaged in questionable tactics like deleting well sourced content on this page. I have over-looked such behavior, and given the benefit of doubt to them. However, I will not hesitate to escalate such behavior in future with appropriate WP authorities. User:Prodigyhk, I hope you take note of this, and that WP is a neutral information aggregating platform, not an avenue to advertise and propagate lop-sided information based on one's bias. Keepit real (talk) 13:08, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
 * After 2013, I became less active on this page, and then took a long wiki-break. However, I was surprised to start looking at it again earlier in 2020, and to find User:Prodigyhk still using the same methods against other editors. There's a definite pattern: i.e. do a few small edits, then delete another editor's content, followed by a few more small edits. Constantly nibbling away at the text to get it back into alignment with Kalki Bhagwan's officially sanctioned mythology. merlinVtwelve (talk) 05:50, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
 * User:Prodigyhk should come clean on what sort of vested interest they have in doing propaganda for kalki bhagwan. Do they have any financial interest? Either-ways, they should declare their intentions with this WP page before embarking on any further mischief, as it is undermining the hard-work of other editors who painstakingly research and update this page, only for User:Prodigyhk to come and delete it. This is not acceptable. Any information that is properly sourced cannot and should not be removed before discussing on talk page. Acting otherwise amounts to vandalism and it will not be tolerated in future on this page. Keepit real (talk) 17:02, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Prodigyhk's response to questions raised about WP:COI has been to delete their user page history, and to change usernames. User:Prodigyhk is now User:Arvam. I'm not sure what this change is aiming to achieve, as Prodigyhk has not been erased and is still "all over WP". merlinVtwelve (talk) 19:35, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

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Why has the page name changed
I don't understand why the page name has changed from Kalki Bhagwan > Kalki Bhagawan by User:Reo kwon. The cited sources do not spell it that way i.e. http://www.sri-ammabhagavan.org/, https://theprint.in/india/kalki-bhagavan-guru-started-as-lic-clerk-undisclosed-income-500-crore/309158/, https://openthemagazine.com/features/the-cult-of-kalki-bhagavan/. This appears incorrect. Generally it is either "Kalki Bhagavan" or "Kalki Bhagwan", not "Kalki Bhagawan". merlinVtwelve (talk) 06:06, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
 * All of them are correct. Each sanskrit (-ic) word can be transliterated multiple ways. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 12:54, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
 * "Kalki Bhagavan" is the standard and most used spelling. Bhagawan is an alternative. "Bhagwan" is never used. It is Hindi, not Sanskrit, Telugu, or Tamil which are the official/native languages of the people in question. It can be changed to "Bhagavan", but there is some technical error, so changed it to the next closest version i.e. Bhagawan. Reo kwon (talk) 16:08, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Reo kwon, the name is pronounced as Bhg-waan in hindi and bha-ga-waan in english. the word has sanskrit root - 'bhg' meaning 'bless'. hindi pronoi=unciation should be considered over english as the word has sanskritic root. Beyond this, isn't it the norm to discuss name changes on talk page before moving a page? What say merlinVtwelve ? Keepit real (talk) 22:34, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, the name is pronounced as Bhg-waan in Hindi. But what has Hindi got to do with this movement? The founders are Telugu/Tamil, the place is situated in Andhra Pradesh near Tamil Nadu border. And Sanskrit is the liturgical language of Hinduism. Hindi has got nothing to do with it. And BTW, it's pronounced BhagAwaan in Sanskrit. That schwa deletion is a feature of Hindi, not Sanskrit or Dravidian languages. Please understand that there is not a single language in India. There are 22 official languages and the local name takes precedence and then comes English. Here the local language is Telugu/Tamil and the liturgical language is Sanskrit, Hindi is not even a part of the conversation. Hope you get it. And most importantly, the official name of the sect/movement is "Bhagavan" which is what the name should be. Since that isn't available I have moved it to the closest approximation. Reo kwon (talk) 22:45, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Reo kwon I think that Keepit real has a good point in that a page move is a major decision that should be discussed before it takes place. I will confess I have no knowledge of Hindi, however, Kalki Bhagwan is well-known across India, and in other countries. If I refer to a major English-language publication, such as The Hindu, in a cursory search, I see that it spells the name in three different ways. In recent articles, it seems to use 'Kalki Bhagwan' or 'Kalki Bhagavan'; and I see that in an older article, it uses 'Kalki Bhagawan'. Other publications vary also in their usage. Admittedly it's been a brief internet search, but it seems to me that 'Kalki Bhagawan' is less common. But the point made by Keepit real remains, that discussion should take place, particularly as this article is about a highly controversial public figure. I'm also a bit puzzled that "Kalki Bhagavan" isn't available, as a WP search re-directs to this article. merlinVtwelve (talk) 02:17, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Sure it can be discussed. All the official sources and most of the media sources used "Kalki Bhagavan". Hence I thought it's a pretty straightforward move. However, realized at the last moment that Bhagavan isn't available, so moved it to the closest approximation. Agree that I could have put it up for discussion when Bhagavan isn't available. Having said that, as per the guidelines, Bhagavan should be the page title as it is the most commonly used spelling of the name in the official sources and in media as well. The next popular variant is Bhagawan and not Bhagvan or Bhagwan. And I completely agree that it should be up for discussion. Reo kwon (talk) 02:41, 25 October 2020 (UTC)