Talk:Kalomira

POV
This article needs a major bias cleanup - reads like classic astroturf. Added POV warning at the top. If there are no objections, I'll do it myself, as well as fix the typos and style errors.

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 * In fact Ant1's Good Morning Greece programme - a leading current affairs show - surveyed kids where all of them knew of the finalists of Fame Story, but could not recite knowledge such as prominent Greek history and geography. In fact many of the children were asked this on Greece's national day - 25th March. The majority of children did not even know as to what event in Greece's history they were celebrating. Yet when asked facts concerning Kalomira and Fame Story, ALL children asked knew all facts pertaining to Kalomira's and the shows success.

Kalomira is not responsible for the bad state of Greek education. The children WILL know what happens in front of them, in their everyday lives no matter what they are taught. Whether or not they will know their history, is a matter of teaching, not of singers' influence. Pictureuploader 01:53, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

VfD results
This article was nominated for deletion. The result was keep. For details, please see Articles for deletion/Kalomira Sarantis. -- BD2412 talk 04:34, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Name
Shouldn't the name be altered to Saranti instead of Sarantis, as is in proper Greek? Russian female surnames differ from their male counterparts even in English translation, why isn't it also the case for greek? Pictureuploader 18:50, 3 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Her father's name is Nikos Sarantis (Νίκος Σαράντης in Greek characters), and his wife and daughters will take the genitive form of that name &mdash; Saranti (Σαράντη) &mdash; but it has been known for immigrants into English-speaking countries in particular to try and fit in with the culture and ways of the country they now live in, or simply to avoid confusion, where the surname will be the same for all members of the family, regardless of gender, in which case the singer Kalomira's surname would be Sarantis (however to Greeks she is known by the 'correct' Saranti).


 * So, to answer the question in short, no, her name should remain Sarantis on the English article.


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Problems with criticism section
This all completely unreferenced. It's basically original research. You should cite specific people, saying specifici things, in specific places. We also only want notable commentators (what you read on a message board doesn't count). WP:LIVING seems to frown on this. WP:V and WP:CITE would also be relevant. Basically, this is just a bunch of gossip, that could probably levelled against any young female pop star. Nothing in the section will cause somebody to be more knowledgeable after reading it. There are tabloids people can read for gossip. --Rob 09:57, 12 March 2006 (UTC)


 * While nothing that Kalomoira has to offer, in general, will cause anybody to be more knowledgeable, Rob has a point. I edited that section a bit. Let me guys know what you think Project2501a | ΑΝΥΠΟΤΑΞΙΑ, ΑΠΑΛΛΑΓΗ, Ι-5 19:29, 11 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I've tried to include both rob's and Pictureuploader's point of view
 * hit me baby one more time? *grabs the mallet* :D :D Project2501a | ΑΝΥΠΟΤΑΞΙΑ, ΑΠΑΛΛΑΓΗ, Ι-5 08:52, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Requested move

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retain the new title, Kalomoira, per the discussion below.

Shouldn't the name of the article be just Kalomoira or Kalomira since that is her stage name and most common name? Other articles are named by the stage name and most common name, and then refer to the full name in the opening paragraph. Examples: Madonna, Tamta, Cher, ect. Greekboy (talk) 23:02, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree, with greekboy. I doubt that most people even know her last name. Also even if we dont rename the article, her last name should end in an "s" even though the normal greek wouldnt have it. She is american and you do not change the forms of names based on sex in the english language.Grk1011 (talk) 23:27, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Does anyone else have a problem if I move the article to "Kalomoria" since thats her stage name? Greekboy (talk) 07:42, 22 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Since no one else has a problem, I went to move it. But since the page already exists with a re-direct it wont let me move it.  So I had to ask an administrator to move it.  Reasons for move:  She is known proffessionally as just plain "Kalomoira".  She puts that on ALL her CDS (not Sarantis), and her official website is just plain "Kalomoira.net".  Reasons it should NOT use the spelling "Kalomira" is because on her official site she spells it as "Kalomoira" even in English. Greekboy (talk) 04:00, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Incidently, I support this move; since Kalomoira appears to be her stage name and per examples provided by Greekboy --Lox (t,c) 21:50, 1 January 2008 (UTC)


 * ✅ Neıl ☎  10:21, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
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Fan Page?
Is this a Wikipedia article or a fan page? Odikuas 18:09, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Every time someone trys to fix it, the Kalomoira fans come in and take out what they dont like, and add stuff they do like. So it has become a fan page unfortunately. Greekboy (talk) 19:37, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Who wrote all this? She herself? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.217.7.206 (talk) 17:41, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Kalomoira English Album
Is kalomoira's "In English Please" an official release??? I come across it in many Google search / fan pages.... Seems authentic. I don't see a mention of it on wiki yet. Imperatore (talk) 02:43, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Nope, its fan made on download sites. They just put together her fame story, TV show performances, and studio songs in English on a CD.  Some of them are even straight audio rips from the TV since they have not been released officially. Greekboy (talk) 06:49, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Name and Critical reception
I think a level of consistency needs to be kept for these Greek articles and with that being said, I do not understand why her name is not just spellt Kalomira. The o in ENG makes it a completely different pronunciation. The job of wiki is not to make exact transliterations from Greek to EN, but rather to use the most commen spelling. She used the name Kalomira in ESC as it would be properly written in English. Furthermore, Despina Vandi's name is also spelled oi in Greek, but they do not use that for this article. I am mentioning this because I know for a fact that a lot of the "Kalomira" editors also edit the Vandi page. Either one or the other must be changed.

Also, would anybody be able to provide a reliable source about critical perception concerning Kalomira's win in FS. At that time, most people were saying that Rallia Christidou deserved the win more based on vocal talent. It is a pretty well known fact in Greece that Kalomira did not win FS due to her vocal skills, although it would be difficult to get away with writing that on wiki w/o a RS. Not trying to be mean, but it has been mentioned by many critics that her popularity and FS win was majorly based on her charming and cute personality, not her non-existent vocals (although that could describe m any Greek singers). Additionally, while anyone who knows her knows this, we need a good source about her "innocent character" in the image section. She has also been noted as a good entertainer who is quite interesting to watch but she is in no way considered to be a serious artist in Greece. The problem is that these are hard to find and there are probably not very many articles on the net with this info. They will most likely be located in magazine and television interviews. GreekStar12 (talk) 02:15, 14 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I couldn't agree with you more. It really bugs me as well that her name (and thus article) is spelled Kalomoira instead of Kalomira. There are numerous of reasons why this should be changed.
 * Indeed, in English her name is always written Kalomira (her ESC entry has been said already).
 * Her English-Greek album (Secret Combination: The Album) presents her as Kalomira. So the reason that she always uses her Greek name is rubbish and simply not true; this is the case only with her Greek albums. Her international album is spelled Kalomira.
 * To top this all, her own website is www.kalomoira.com. But what is it saying? "Welcome To Kalomira's Official Website". It isn't even trying to present her as Kalomira.
 * And think about what would happen if we start translating EVERY Greek artist this way. With Kalomira it's Kalomoira, but indeed, how should we write names like Despina Vandi? Despoiva Bavdn? Or Despoina Bandh? And Katy Garbi; would that be Kaith Garmph, or Kaitn Garmpn, or what?
 * So if no one objects, I think it's best to change the name of this article back again into Kalomira. If there are people who do object, then I think it should be put to a vote. --Robster1983 (talk) 15:04, 4 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Well her official site and twitter use Kalomira now, so with this and the above arguments, such as english releases etc, there really is no argument to keep it kalomoira.GreekStar12 (talk) 16:24, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: page moved per discussion below. - GTBacchus(talk) 21:38, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Kalomoira → Kalomira — I propose moving this page to the spelling "Kalomira" as it is the most commom English spelling and the spelling chosen by the artist. Originally, her official sites were using the spelling "Kalomoira", but recently the spelling has been phased out in favor of the more obvious to pronounce "Kalomira". Evidence: official site and album cover. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 21:03, 16 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Support, I originally supported the "Kalomoira" spelling, but it seems she has personally decided on using the "Kalomira" spelling, without the o, instead as of recently. To reflect this, the article should be moved. Greekboy (talk) 03:27, 17 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Support: Per most common English spelling and artist's preference. GreekStar12 (talk) 21:07, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Support per above.--Kotniski (talk) 07:51, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Support, no, rephrase: BIG support! :) It does, however, makes me wonder: is their a guideline for Greek (but also Cyrillic, Hebrew, Arabic, etc.) names? Recently I started using Greeklish (writing Greek with Latin letters) rather much on Facebook, and, as I found out, even people in Greece have different 'rules' concerning this (it all seems to depend on where one is from, how old someone is, etc.). Is their a wiki-rule for this? :s Anyhow, BIG support!Robster1983 (talk) 16:49, 25 December 2010 (UTC)  PS Kalá Xristoúgenna/Merry Christmas to you all! :)
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