Talk:Kamehameha V

moving
just like Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom Antares911 23:47, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

It was requested that Kamehameha V be moved to either Kamehameha V of Hawai'i, King Kamehameha V or King Kamehameha V of Hawai'i. I among others oppose such moves. As can be seen above, the request received opposition and the poll went stale. Requests denied. Arrigo 13:03, 26 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Instead of having to place opinions on multiple pages, we should follow the example of the users over at the Japan manual of style pages and move all related discussions to one place. Thus, I'm requesting that we move all discussions about the naming conventions of Hawaiian monarchs to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Hawaii/Manual of Style. &#38738;&#12356;(Aoi) 06:22, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Royal consorts and monarchs
i´m trying to get a discussion going to change the rules on naming consorts, monarchs, etc.. it´s a bit of mess at the moment. maybe you wanna join in and give your opinion? feel free cheers Antares911 23:48, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Date of death
When did Kamehameha V die? The intro paragraph states "on his 42nd birthday December 11, 1872," but the infobox states "25 December 1872." Alekjds talk 20:28, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

In Love
There might be some truth to the edit made by User:202.90.78.1 about Kamehameha V and Abigail Maheha. I wish that someone can reference that, though. When I was making that the article for Abigail Maheha my resources were limited. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 06:43, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

KAVEBEAR, there are two books that will confirm Lot & Abigail's love affair and the birth of their daughter Keanolani.

Books are:

Amos Starr Cooke and Juliette Montague Cooke, Their Autobiographies Gleamed from their Journals and Letters. Author - Mary A. Richards (their grand-daughter) & Published - April 1987.

Kamehameha's Children Today. Author - Charles Ahlo. Publisher - Jerry Walker, Yr. 2000 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.185.169.134 (talk) 03:19, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Nominated for Cleanup
This article reads like a political tract for the 'descendants' of Kamehameha V. It says little about Kamehameha, and much about his possible descendants. Extraneous info about people other than Kamehameha V needs to be removed and replaced with info about the King himself and the facts of his life/reign. Bartmooby (talk) 16:10, 21 August 2009 (UTC)bartmooby

"Choosing an heir to the Hawaiian throne" section
This section is rather confusingly worded, it needs cleanup. ++Lar: t/c 01:47, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Cleanup
This article desperately needs it. It's written poorly, and isn't up to Wikipedia standards. Any takers? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.58.96.96 (talk) 03:50, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
 * please go ahead! The page will not get better just by adding complaints to the discussion page. W Nowicki (talk) 00:59, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Removed anonymous unsourced claims
...fell deeply in love with his cousin, Abigail Maheha at the Royal School. He was only 5 years old when he was caught sleeping with Abigail She became pregnant with his child when he was 15 and she 13. On February 4, 1846 when she was 6 months pregnant, she was removed from the Royal School, separated from Lot Kapuaiwa and forced to marry Keaupuni a commoner from Koloa Kauai, the gardener of her adopted mother Miriam Kekauonohi. These events could have led the young Prince to his renounce marriage for the rest of his life, including that to his adopted sister Bernice Pauahi Paki.

...He was steadfest, (onipa'a) he believed till the end that he would recover, meaning he never proposed the Throne to Bernice. What is true is that a rumor of such could be of great help in conniving everyone to believe that Bernice should inherit thru Princess Ruth the Bulk of the Kamehameha Lands. Today, the 300 plus descendents of Lot Kapuaiwa Kamehameha and Abigail Maheha thru their only daughter Keanolani, are the only Direct Lineal Descendents of the Kamehameha Dynasty, for Lot was the last of the Kamehameha's to sit upon the Throne, therefore making his Branch the Lineal Branch.

Maybe a bachelor but definitely a father, Kamehameha V's only heir was a daughter he had with his cousin Abigail Maheha when he was 15 and she 13. They were separated and Abigail was forced to marry the gardener of her adopted Aunt and former governor of Kauai, Miriam Kekauonohi. She later gave birth to their daughter, Keanolani in May 1846 on the island of Kauai in the town of Koloa, where the Keaupuni family still lives in today on land given to them by Miriam Kekauonohi in return for Keaupuni's favor.

His steadfastness for not marrying or naming a successor was meant to punish those (dead or living) who separated him from his true-love, Abigail Maheha and their daughter Keanolani. This act also helped perpetuate the Lineal Branch of the Kamehameha Dynasty in a Direct and Unbroken Line, through his biological daughter Keanolani and her daughter Hyacinth Keopuolani Kamali, for they were the targets of assassins, both foreign and of Hawaiian origin, who wanted to put an end to the Lineal Branch of the House of Kamehameha. At the death of Kamehameha V, they were the only two direct descendents of the Kamehameha Dynasty alive.

Today the surviving descendents of Lot Kapuaiwa Kamehameha and Abigail Maheha are issued through their only daughter Keanolani, and through the marriage of Keanolani with John Olupua Kamali. Keanolani and John Olupua Kamali are the parents of Hyacith Keopuolani Kamali. Hyacinth Keopoulani Kamali marries John Kali. Through their union are born 3 children, the eldest child Alexander Liholiho Kali is born in 1903, the second Robert Kekuiapoiwa Kali is born in 1905. The third child, a girl Olga Kekauonohi Kali is born in 1906. All 3 children were born in Waianapanapa, Maui but raised in hiding in 3 different locations. Alexander, on the island of Niihau, Robert on the island of Kahoolawe, and Olga is raised by Victoria Ward on her Honolulu Estate. Alexander and Robert are reunited on the island of Kauai in the town of Hanapepe in December 1917 after the death of Queen Liliuokalani and raised by their adopted mother and designated caregiver Maluihi Poki. Olga continues to live with Victoria Ward until her death in 1923, at the age of 17. Alexander married his cousin, Christina Kala Vasconcelles and they have 16 children (one is stillborn). Their eldest child is born on Sept. 23, 1924. Robert married Kuulei Young and had 7 children. Olga died with no children.


 * Sources are needed W Nowicki (talk) 19:40, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Keanolani
Sources moved to Talk:Keanolani. KAVEBEAR (talk) 05:42, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Only parts of the above information can be attested to reliable sources as I am trying to do on Keanolani. However, there is no proof of the love story (I'm sorry even family oral traditions cannot accurately known the feelings of deceased ancestors unless we have love letters between Lot and Abigail) or that Lot refused to marry in later life or that Bernice Pauahi Bishop was not asked to succeed him on his deathbed and the story was part of ploy to steal land away from Keanolani's descendants. We have sources that he did try to get marry in later life. He was in love with his brother's widow Queen Emma and proposed to and was rejected by Nancy Sumner. KAVEBEAR (talk) 07:04, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
 * The troubling thing is that a lot of this problematic content is written into the 2014 book "Captive Paradise". KAVEBEAR (talk) 07:10, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Kalanikapuapaikalaninui
I changed the third "a" in Kalanikapuapaikalaninui to "u" because I think he was named after his great grandfather Keoua Kalanikapuapaikalaninui.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 19:20, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't do that. That is original research and has absolutely no reasoning at all. The source I see (that had its copyright violated on the article by the way) spells it: Kalanikapuapaikalaninui.
 * That "book" is one of those source that straight up copy information from Wikipedia, so it is not reliable. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 02:03, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Prospective marriages
I think I'm going to start a section about his prospective marriages later on. I'm going to list some here for now: 1. Manaiula Tehuiarii or Eugenie Ninito Sumner, Tahitian princess proposed by Queen Pomare IV. 2. Bernice Pauahi Bishop 3. Nancy Sumner, who he proposed to. 4. Queen Dowager Emma--KAVEBEAR (talk) 23:49, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Assessment comment
Substituted at 20:50, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Ascension to the throne
There seems to be a lot of sources claiming that he was not in the heir of his brother. Many claimed his sister was queen for a day because the 1852 constitution didn't mention him. Although it is apparent when searching old Hawaiian newspapers that Lot and his sister were added as heir to the constitution in a 1862 amendment. This is significant because there is/was an active organization called Princess Nahoa ‘Ölelo O Kamehameha Society founded by Rubellite Kawena Kinney Johnson currently citing that his ascension was unconstitutional definitely without knowledge of the 1862 amendment. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 04:25, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Darlene E. Kelley Sources
Need to pair to their book origins.

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