Talk:Kamen Rider Kabuto/Archive 1

Mistranslations
Edited out the "TheSword" part. It doesn't work like that, Zabii works because Za comes out as The in English. Sa in Sasword is spelt differently, thus it can't be "TheSword". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.210.66.6 (talk • contribs)

Editted out the Zabii part too, since that's not found anywhere in the official website. The whole, "'Zabii' is the direct translation of 'TheBee'" is crap. "zabee" is how someone with a Japanese accent attempt to pronounce the word "TheBee." Spelling that phonetically is not a "direct translation." and the person who did the translation doesn't know his Japanese or he'd know that both "i's" is pronounced in Japanese so "Zabii" would be pronounced "zabee-ee" by anyone who speaks Japanese. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.122.8.71 (talk • contribs)


 * Hmm--when I added that sentence, I wrote it as "directly transliterated as Zabii"--some vandal must have changed "transliterated" to "translated" and I didn't notice. Eh, it's not like alternate spellings really belong here... Jgp 07:43, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Quotes
Tendou and Juka quotes should be in. (the above message was not done by me, since there is no sig) Kaixaken 15:15, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Mammocks
What does "mammocks" mean? Rich Farmbrough 15:07 6  April 2006 (UTC).

Kamen Rider 35th Birthday Show
In the first episode, "Kamen Rider 35th Birthday Show" did not appear in English text. It was done by fansub groups. Kaixaken 19:42, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Removing unsourced information
Removed "Kamen Rider...The End???" As no sources where shown and it seems like just rumors. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.1.134.238 (talk • contribs)

TheBee vs Thebee
(It's TheBee for a reason)

What reason is this? The URL of the official website spells it "thebee", not "the_bee". Official merchandise spells it entirely with capital letters: THEBEE. In fact, there is nothing official that spells it "TheBee", with the B capitalised.

It's the popular spelling, but so was "Zabee" at one point. That got proven to be incorrect. What official source spells it as "TheBee"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Redkun (talk • contribs)


 * Toys, Magazines, the fact that it's the correct romanazation. Read the actual post before you comment, he answered your question. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.210.79.68 (talk • contribs)

Weapons on Belt
''Unlike the recent new generation Kamen Rider series, riders in Kabuto don't store their weapon around their belt. Their weapons (like Kabuto Kunaigun) just appear when the riders need it.''

The weapons in Ryuuki came out of nowhere just by using the cards. Kaixaken 21:58, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Movie-exclusive Riders
There are three movie exclusive Riders: Centaurus, Caucasus, and Heracles. One Rider is bronze, one is silver, and one is gold. I know that Heracles is the silver one, but which of the other two is which is which? Kanjilearner55 22:21, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

From the pictures I've read, Centaurus is the brownish looking rider and I was under the impression that Heracles was the silver rider. If not, then Caucasus is the gold one. Kazuhara 02:14, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Where does this information come from? Sources, please.--Sean Black 02:30, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

From what I was able to read on the picture that has the riders. The names of the riders were right above their pictures. Kazuhara 13:28, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Er, where are these pictures? Please cite a source.--Sean Black 23:41, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

http://www2.blogupload.com/30835/1148400187263.jpg The names are right above the three riders. Kazuhara 01:17, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Guest Stars
Since this season has had more guest stars than the past few seasons, would anyone mind if I added a "guest stars" area?

The Movie
In the article on the movie, it gives the title as "God Speed Love", but as of the airing of the preview for the movie, only the Boukenger movie was given a title. I'd like to know what the source of the title is. Kazuhara 13:49, 2 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Why don't you look at episodes 24-27, at the end. All of them give the title as "God Speed Love". 68.50.246.250 17:30, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Removed Ending Theme Triva entry
"Unlike previous ending themes, "FULL FORCE" is played during the climax of each episode, not at the end of it as is traditional." This isn't true at all, only two series, Kuuga and Hibiki, have had ending credits. So this would infact be like most ending themes.

Triva
I see no good explanation as to how the removed triva about the rider count was a "fringe opinion" at best. While Kamen Rider Hibiki and Ryuki may have had a larger overall rider count, only four riders were considered main characters and appeared in more than five episodes. In Ryuki, Ryuki, Knight, Zolda and Ouga appeared through most of the series, they received most of the character development, same in Hibiki with Todoroki, Zanki, Ibuki and Hibiki himself. In Kabuto, every rider that has appeared thus far is a main character, that was not such in other series, so it is a valid statement that this series has the most Kamen Riders as main characters.

Unless 7 is more than 13, you can put Kamen Rider Kabuto as the Kamen Rider series that has more Riders in it.

I see you didn't read his post cleary... Riders that appeared in more than 5 episodes. Its undeniable only 4 Ryuki and 4 Hibiki riders appeared in more than 5 episodes. All other riders for absolutely 4 episodes or less. Kabuto on the other hand, has had all 7 of its Riders appear in more than 5 episodes. Floria L 21:40, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Every Rider in Kamen Rider Ryuki, either the protagonist or the antagonist, received a unique character development. The storyline, which is about the battle of Kamen Riders, includes all 13 Kamen Riders.

Lmao. You never actually watched Ryuki then, and if you say you did, you're blind. Half the Riders got one episode of backstory, and one episode of action. Besides Ryuki, Knight, Taiga, and one more that doesn't come to mind right now, the others came and left. They were not reccuring. Or and Verde, appearing ina special for 10 minutes. Thats real devlopement all right. /irony. Floria L 18:47, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

First of all, no personal attack, please. The above statement is very inappropriate and shows one's non-professional behavior as a Wikipedia's user. Secondly, every Rider in Kamen Rider Ryuki has his/her personal background. That's what makes every character in the story is unique. Every Rider in Kamen Rider Ryuki has one goal, which is to be the winner of the destined battle or to stop the battle. That is the plot of the story that involves all Riders in Kamen Rider Ryuki.

Please refrain from editing other members messages. It is considered tipping the conversation in your favor and may result in blockage.

More to the point, i said Riders that appeared in more than 5 episodes. Did Verde, Femme, Ryuga, or most of hte Ryuki riders appear in more than 5 episodes? No. Did they get 25 episode spanned devlopment? No. There's no point in debating about this, its proven FACT that no more than 4 of Ryuki's riders got in more than 5 episodes. I wasn't talking about how indepth their story was either, i was talking about the ammount of episodes spanned in descrbing it. Unless you can come up with proof that all the Riders were featured in at least 25 episodes, I'll add the fact back in. Floria L 21:45, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

The definition of main character does not depend on how many episodes the character appears, but how the appearance of that character affects the whole story. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.97.250.79 (talk • contribs)

Fine. It'll be left out. Besides, i wasn't talking about main characters, but rather Character Appearances. Please sign your messages with 4 tilds to avoid confusion. Floria L 23:23, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Masked v. Kamen
Shouldn't we stop calling all of the "Kamen Riders" in this series, "Kamen Riders?" In the last series, the riders were called "Oni," since they were referred to as Oni in the show. But in Kabuto, the Riders are called "Masked Riders," as it is the "Masked Rider System," that the Riders are using. I know this sounds like a nerdy quibble, the "Kamen" should be changed to "Masked" in this article. If you say they are called just "Riders," they are only called that way as a shortening of "Masked Rider." Jaybob1222 14:00, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd write "Masked" as "Maskèd".--Kanjilearner 13:17, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, they were never addressed as "Kamen Rider Kabuto", or "Masked Rider Kabuto" within the show. It was just, "Kabuto". 68.50.246.250 17:34, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Check episode 35, Kick Hopper was addresed by Renge as Kamen Raida Kikku Hoppa.

Hopper Riders and Hyper Sword
These are the pictures that had the information on the two new riders and the Hyper Sword in case anyone thinks it's fake.

http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/4482/11528134293197qx.jpg http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/5328/11528131605655tl.jpg

Dark Kabuto and TheBee Mild
A recent publicity photo has shown a preview for a Dark Kabuto (Kabuto with black armor and red eyes) and a TheBee Mild (silver arm and leg plating instead of the original TheBee's gold). Could Dark Kabuto be the one who killed Hiyori's parents?--Kanjilearner 13:16, 29 July 2006 (UTC)


 * It's possible, but the information should be left out until more confirmation is made. Could just be a photoshop. 68.50.246.250 17:29, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Photo:

Removing the sections Weapons and Bikes?
Both of the sections listed above are described in the same fashion within each of the Riders profiles. It woulds seem redudent to repeat the same information again within the main article. Should this part be removed? 68.50.246.250 17:33, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Restructure?
It was done with the Kamen Riders, so I don't see why it can't be done with the other characters in the show. Taking their profiles on this page and creating an "Other characters" page would probably cut down on space. This could also be done for the rider system as a whole.


 * I think that would be kinda of unneccesary. The other characters, with a few exceptions, don't have nearly enough information to fill a bio page like the Riders do. Wouldn't it look akward to have 2-3 characters on seperate pages and then the rest on the main page? 68.50.246.250 12:42, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

We don't need a page for each character, what I meant was all the information of the other characters on one page.


 * Ah.. I get it. Yep, it works.

TheBee and Hopper Rider
Apparently http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/6295/1156695890205eg9.jpg this article confirms that Kageyama will give up being TheBee to be one half of the Hopper Rider and that Yaguruma will return as the second half. I'm not really sure how to work this into TheBee's page or whether or not we should just rename TheBee's page to Hopper.
 * I've fixed it, TheBee page can stay. New pages will be created for Hopper. Floria L 20:03, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Whether or not Kagami was dead
There is no proof that Kagami was dead in episode 33. If he couldn't survive that explosion, then Ucaworm should have been dead too.

Ucaworm is a higher up level worm, its obviously shown in the preview. Kagami on the other hand, his armour blew up. After the explosion, he wasn't there anymore.

If he wasn't dead, why would Tendou bother to go back in time?

Second of all, you're comparing 2 different things. One was the explosion of a bomb. The other was the explosion of the Masked Rider System + Cammurusworm's attack. Even in the end, Kagami talks about how Tendou uses the Hyper Zecter and saved him from DYING. Floria L 10:35, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Dying is different from dead

Dying as in being killed. Not dying as in the process off. You use dying diferently in this case. Kagami died, but was saved. Therefore grammatically correct would be, You saved me from dying and NOT you saved me from dead. Also, look at 19:03:26 of episode 34. Right before the scene changes, Kagami is clearly not visible in the explosion. And again, look at 19:23:27 where Kagami is PUT BACK TOGETHER when Kabuto reverse time. Unless someone can be broken into 1000 peices and still live, Kagami died and then Tendou saved him from dying. Again, dying as in dead, but gramatically its used that way. Floria L 18:48, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Kazahura
Please stop adding uneccasary extention pages such as seperate trivia pages and the 35th aniversy file.

The episode list was useful, but there is no need to make it clumped together. Floria L 21:41, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

I was in the middle of formatting it when you edited it, and as for the other information, it isn't needed to be on the main page. The anniversary file is just the yearly movie promos yet none of the other rider articles have them listed. Kazuhara 21:50, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, my bad then. But the other pages were listed as speed deletion, and makes no sense having them seperate. The page can fit that information. The chracters were huge, but these aren't. I've replaced the information and the pages should be deleted soon.

Previous Users' Section
For anyone, I put Tsurugi and Daisuke under the Previous User section instead of Tachikawa as they were much more prominenet previous users, rather than someone who only used the Zecter for one episode. Floria L 23:20, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Why not add a "primary user" part and list Tachikawa as in the "previous user" area? Kazuhara


 * Alright, I've split them into 3 sections, Current User, Primary User, and Secondary User. Secondary User is based on number of episode appearances. Floria L 20:02, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

The Chart
Do we need that color-coded chart? It's glaring, doesn't fit with the rest of the section, and much better presented as simple, readable information instead of some fancy spreadsheet. I don't like those things in the Power Rangers articles, and I don't want them in the Tokusatsu (Kamen Rider, Sentai, etc.) articles either. Someone please, revert that. --GreenNinja 16:21, 21 October 2006 (UTC)


 * The colors can go, but theres nothing wrong with the chart. 10 Riders fit nicely into a chart. Floria L 16:37, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmm... Now that i look at it.. I'll go ahead and revert all chart additions for Blade, Kabuto, and Faiz. Hibiki really needed the charts, as they blue spead sheet was just plain ugly. Floria L 16:44, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

ENDING THEMES
Why are ending themes listed when there is no ending credits?


 * Kamen Rider ending themes are just climatic themes, but they are listed as ending themes. Floria L 19:57, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Kamen Rider TAU
This seems to be the name of the 2007-2008 installment. http://rangerboard.com/showthread.php?t=95836&page=4


 * We'll hold on that for now. Nothing credible yet. Floria L 19:57, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Ep. 40 title is wrong
哀戦 is not in my dictionary, but it's definitely not cleats, the spikes on the bottom of soccer shoes! My guess is that it's a compound word, so each character should be interpreted independently. So it roughly translates to "sorrowful battle", which make some sense given what happened in that episode. madoka 20:11, 19 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Yea, i've figured it out. Sadai would be the most of something so you could compound it with sorrow to get saddest. Floria L 21:07, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

New format for Guest Star Section?
User:Floria_L/Sandbox1

Comments needed, fix anything you see, i'll integrate it eventually if its worth it. Floria L 23:06, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Shinnosuke Abe was also in the first episode of Kamen Rider 555. He was the new boyfriend that told Kiba Yuji to get lost and that his old girlfriend had moved on. I don't know this character's name (or if it was ever listed anywhere), is this worth mentioning? Granted, it's a very bit part, but it's a previous Rider show appearance. Theredcomet2000 07:14, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Should characters who have an alternate identity be listed as their superhero name, their real name, or both? I notice Takeshi Hongo and Goro Yura are listed instead of their Rider names, and contradicting that format Kamen Rider Kaixa is listed for Kohei Murakami. I'd think it would be important to specify the Rider names for all previous Riders, as that would probably be more helpful to a franchise newcomer and make the trivia more interesting. Not to mention many of them have their own Wiki pages with their Rider name as the title (such as Zolda) for easy linkability. Perhaps list both, with either "real name" or the "henshined" name in parenthesis? Hongo probably needs both listed - while he was a Rider in The First, he isn't necessarily a Rider in Kabuto and may just be plain old Hongo. Theredcomet2000 07:14, 24 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Second question: They play the human characters, so we'll leave it at that. First question, that was also a guest star role, so it can't be credited as an orignal show. Floria L 23:11, 24 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree that they play the human characters. However, some of whom are Riders, wither permanent or temporary.  You don't agree that people who have been Riders before is something significant to note?  Why not list both?  Theredcomet2000 05:50, 25 November 2006 (UTC)


 * It'd make the chart extremely cramped and its pretty much unworthy as we already have the actual human characters. Not all of these characters have played Kamen Riders or other heroes either, so keeping in consistency, lets jsut leave it all normal names. Floria L 14:18, 25 November 2006 (UTC)