Talk:Kamianets-Podilskyi Castle

Describe the town too?
The French map near the top of the article shows what I assume are fortifications around the town, located in an oxbow? The text also mentions the town in passing too. Yet there is no real description of the town or it's fortifications, unless I am reading the term "castle" incorrectly. Is the town and castle one and the same in this article? If not, I'd like to see a description of the entire area and the various other fortifications here as well. Maury Markowitz (talk) 00:11, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * That's the old town, and it does not have much major fortications. It consists mostly of houses, churches, and other structures of everyday life. You can read more about it in the article Kamianets-Podilskyi. --BoguslavM 23:59, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Pre-GA comments (B-class review failed)
It would be nice to have a map. But a serious problem is insufficient referencing, not only do I see multiple uncited sentences, but several uncited paragraphs. As such, I am confirming this article as C-class and failing it in a B-class review for WP:POLAND. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; talk 22:10, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
 * ummmm... would you care to elaborate? There is a map immediately below the infobox, and if that does not suffice, you might refer yourself to the picture of the castle with all of the towers and structures labled. As for "insufficient referencing", I can find at most two small paragraphs with no citations.--BoguslavM 02:25, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
 * More references could be scavenged up of course. Looking over, there are a couple refs I would add when I find them. Now I do believe that citing almost every sentence is redundant and unnecessary; particularly since there are different methods of citation (f.i. one per two sentences and so forth)--the way I was taught to do it. As for the map, most such images are copyrighted and unfortunately out of reach for us; hence the numbered aerial view I created. --ddima/talk 06:18, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Lack of the map is not a criteria for objection, just an observation. Regarding references, the two paragraphs are a problem, but overall, remember sentences can be moved, others can be added to existing paras, and so on; hence I prefer to see all sentences referenced. While B-class articles may have a few unreferenced, the higher you go up the quality level, the more likely is that others are going to object to that, too. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; talk 15:01, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
 * It seems like you're equating the criteria of a featured article with of a B-class article. I'm pretty sure there is no requirement for B-class articles to have citations after every sentence (actually I don't think that's even required for featured articles) because that could be very reduntant. This article is definitely better than B-class, so I'm not sure of the intentions of this "pre-GA fail".--BoguslavM 06:20, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

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