Talk:Kancha Ilaiah/Archive 2

Question

 * "the movement that claims to be a movement for the empowerment of the Dalits"

Is there a name for this movement? &mdash; goethean &#2384; 18:11, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Nope, unless "Tall Tales" counts as a name.Hkelkar 18:12, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Plus, I don;t believe Ilaiah is affiliated with the Dalit Bahujan thingie (which does have a name I guess).Hkelkar 18:13, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Disrespectful as alway User:Hkelkar, how sad. Actually in all his writing and associations he mentioned as affiliated with the Dalit Bahujan movement(not thingie User:Hkelkar) or with the Dalit rights movement, I'm adding a couple of external links: --Kathanar 18:39, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Er these are partisan links and do not satisfy WP:Reliable Sources unless states with qualification. Do that and I will report you.Hkelkar 18:41, 29 September 2006 (UTC)


 * All my edits werre sourced and from qualified links. Your edits are sourced from Bible-Thumpers and whack-job nihilists who can't be stated without appropriate qualification.Hkelkar 18:44, 29 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't know what you're talking about, one is from a actual periodical(it reveals your biases if you label them as"bible thumpers", which reveal your anti-christian prejudices), and the other from a human rights site, but you just vandalized the title of the article of the link, I will report you for that--Kathanar 18:49, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I am not anti-Christian. I am anti-Bible Thumpers.I believe this is another personal attack and thus is grounds for reporting, since you have commented on me and not my edits.Hkelkar 18:50, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Bible-thumper is a anti-christian POV especially when refering to a respected periodical as Christianity Today. Its hard to believe you cannot understand that, no actually its not--Kathanar 19:12, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Christianity today is run by Fundamentalist Christian Southern Baptists in the United States. Their rhetoric includes demands for the genocide of Hindus in India (google Pat Robertson anti-Hindu) and the bombing of Mecca (Which is deeply insulting to Islam). Look at their leaders Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson.Hkelkar 19:15, 29 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually you are making a defamatory statement toward this periodical. Its leaders are not Jerry Falwell or Robertson and the magazine has nothing to do with the remarks you claim. You seem quite rabid in these anti-christian remarks, CT was started by Billy Graham, and encompansses all christian denominations. Wrong again


 * Actually I am not. Billy Graham was an acolyte of Falwell, and Falwell and Robertson donate large sums of money from their diamond smuggling gangs in Zimbabwe to Christianity Today. Robertson was responsible for installing a Christian dictatorship in Zimbabwe and Christianity Today uses dummy-corporations dealing in illegal conflict diamonds to fund their little propaganda complex.Hkelkar 20:02, 29 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Falwell has asserted that when The Antichrist ("The Beast") comes, he "must be, of necessity, a Jewish male" . he is an anti-Semite(look at the wikipedia article).Hkelkar 19:16, 29 September 2006 (UTC)


 * In fact, I can safely say that I am more well-read on Christian scripture than you. I just owned a Baptist missionary who tried to convert me yesterday. It was fun.Hkelkar 18:51, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Good for you, it seems people of your mindset like to "own" people anyway, and seem to have"fun" at it--Kathanar 19:12, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's called "intelligence".19:30, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * In fact, if you look at my edits to Persecution of Christians you will see that I am not an anti-Christian at all, just anti-Fundamentalist-Christian.Hkelkar 20:16, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Please focus on improving the article. Off-topic chat can be removed from this talk page. &mdash; goethean &#2384; 19:22, 29 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for intervening. This little saber-rattling was getting old.I am, as always, focussed on improving the article only.Shalom.Hkelkar 19:30, 29 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks goethean for fixing the edits and making 'em NPOV. I appreciate it.Hkelkar 18:48, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * User:Goethean Those aren't the actual titles to the article, as you cut out Kancha Ilaiah's name in the begining, but I will accept them, thanks--Kathanar 18:52, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Kancha IIaiah speaks bold truth.
It has to be accepted that Dr.IIaiah speaks bare truth, that is often undigested, and a frustrated response he is labeled biased and anti-hindu, if he was really anti-hindu, he would have targeted many things in Hinduism rather only focusing on the evil caste- system. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sam sheyma (talk • contribs) 12:21, 10 December 2006 (UTC).

The following quote: Take a very simple thing—the Hindu namaste, folding your hands to greet someone—is a very powerful symbolic statement. It suggests that I recognise you but you should not touch me. In contrast, the custom that the Christians introduced of shaking of hands is a touching relationship, while the Muslims go even further and physically embrace you. Even today in the villages the Muslims are the only people who actually physically embrace the Dalit-Bahujans.

Is it still valid ? OR does it have to be modified to accommodate the Pandemic Swine Flu situation into consideration —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.164.77.28 (talk) 08:23, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

The Bitter Truth about Hinduism.
Hinduism is nothing but a covert mask of Casteism.

In Hinduism parents covertly teach their children to coerce other children as per the caste hierarchies.

--m 16:52, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

This is a gross generalized allegation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.252.181.55 (talk) 01:38, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Open challenge to Kancha Ilaiah : My only contention is( I have read all his vitriolic interviews against hinduism where he freely spews venom on brahminism which he mistakes for something as vast as hinduism )that if the very concept of hinduism is a blasphemy to him, why did he use the reservations that he was entitled to by virtue of being a OBC as part of the same hindu religion that he hates. Also, two things glaringly stand out from his contentious articles/interviews.

He confuses brahminism for hinduism and brands the whole religion as being like brahminism which is completely untrue and displays an immaturity that is hard to digest, which is surprising since no one pointed it out. I mean so many interviews were conducted and none of the respectable media houses countered him with this. Secondly, he uses the terms dalits and OBCs interchangeably, again confusing one for the other. In most areas of Northern and Southern India, expecially in AP from where he hails... there is constant tension between the so called OBCs and dalits over a lot of things, and especially over equality of rights. Hence the very basis on which he hates hinduism is flimsy and weak. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Indianonwarpath (talk • contribs) 01:59, 17 October 2007 (UTC)


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Archiving
Most of the discussion here is more than a year old. I propose that they be archived. --ManasShaikh (talk) 18:15, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Automatic archiving set up. --Joshua Issac (talk) 14:23, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Pseudohistory
I have absolutely no idea why this article is in Category:Pseudohistory, nor can I find any discussion in the talk archives. I am going to remove it because the category can have BLP implications and should thus be reliably sourced. - Sitush (talk) 14:59, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Buddhist
I know that a fair few Dalit activists are Buddhists and I can see that Ilaiah has written a book titled Why I am not a Hindu but neither of these amount to the self-identification of religious belief that is required for biographies of living people. For that reason, I am removing Category:Indian Buddhists pending the insertion of appropriate verification. Please see WP:BLPCAT. - Sitush (talk) 15:04, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

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Page move
Someone just moved this article to Kancha Ilaiah Shepherd and I reverted it as the move appears to be undiscussed and contrary to WP:COMMONNAME. I'm not sure how WP:BLP plays into this situation. - Sitush (talk) 17:01, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I, made this move. The person in question refers to himself as Kancha Ilaiah Shepherd (a fact reflected in all of his publications post May 2016). The only people who persist in calling him by Kancha Illiah have tended to be political opponents. I apologize for not dicussing this move, as I thought it was a minor change and I believe it is fully compliant with WP:COMMONNAME. Still, I think discretion is needed in this case due to the controversey of the name change and the extreme and violent response it was met with. I hope you also consider the precident that has been set by Manning naming dispute. --Manzarene (talk) 17:47, 2 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Manning is Manning, this is Ilaiah. There are loads of articles where the person's preferred name is not the common name etc. Eg: Dominic Noonan (and in his case the preferred name actually has legal status, too, unlike with Ilaiah). - Sitush (talk) 11:40, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

I think WP:COMMONNAME applies. Also he hasn't legally changed his name which implies it was mostly a political stunt.Linguisticgeek (talk)