Talk:Kane (wrestler)/Archive 2

Photo
Would it be possible to get one where the person taking it doesn't have their finger over the lens? Tromboneguy0186 06:12, 25 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree, the current picture is sub-par. The old picture we had up for Kane was far better. Cosmic Larva 07:17, 25 August 2006 (UTC)


 * A month late but what the hell ... it's actually a lady's head from the original photo. --Oakster (Talk) 22:15, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree, most of the pictures seem to be ones taken by fans in the crowd. There should be more profesional ones.

Recent Activity
Please don't add rumors and speculation to this article unless you are citing legitimate sources.

i dont know but to me it seemed kane was legitametly hurt in the attack by umaga...it look as if umaga muffed that samona spike and really hit his throat. any on know specics? 24.128.202.124 00:33, 6 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I thought that too when I first saw t, but I honestly don't think Umaga would have intentionally kicked him again if he saw his coleauge spitting up real blood on the mat. It's possible I suppose, it did look VERY realistic. Cosmic Larva 05:01, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

It was a botched move that did injure Kane. That was the first attempt at a "Flying Samoan Spike" as some fans call it. He did have some throat problems for a few days and in fact it was actually Kane's fault why the move was botched. If he didn't try to sit up, the thumb would not have been driven into the throat like it was. Watch when Umaga performs this move now. All wrestlers lay flat on the mat and barely move.--Charles-Joseph 19:47, 9 November 2006

Just wanted to point out, the last time Kane was on Smackdown before October 2006 was not in 2002 as stated in the article. He was on Smackdown May 19th of this year to Promote his movie "See No Evil" as well as prior to Wrestlemania In March/April.


 * It means the last time he was actually on the SmackDown! roster, not the last time he appeared. -- Mikedk9109  (talk)  01:13, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Chokeslam
Is it called chokeslam from hell or just chokeslam?


 * It's the chokeslam. Jim Ross sometimes calls it a "chokeslam from hell" when he delivers a particularly high impact chokeslam, such as driving someone completely through the ring matt as he has done in the past. Manssiere 14:21, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

You know, I think JR sometimes calls it a chokeslam to hell, not from hell.

nope its definately 'from hell' on smackdown vs raw 2006 when kane does the chokeslam, he says "my god, what a chokeslam from hell!"


 * Yeah, and we should take "The Undertaker... has a nice.... The Last Ride!" as how Taz says it because clearly, that's how he says it in on of the earlier Smackdown games. 4, I believe. Every time I hear J.R. call it more than just "By Gawd, chokeslam from Kane." He says "By Gawd, Kane just chokeslammed straight to hell!" -Darryl Hamlin 16:08, 10 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I know the discussion is somewhat over, but while the WWE video games can be a nice source of names for some manoeuvres, they aren't all official. Plus, in the PS2's WWE games, Kane's chokeslam is just 'Chokeslam X', with X being wherever it fell in whatever sequence they used.  The games also sometimes take liberties with moves outside WWE, such as the 'Landing Pin' for the Styles Clash, or '99 Crusher' for the Ki Krusher (both out of Smackdown:  Here Comes the Pain).  Games can't be taken as WWE canon. IL-Kuma 03:50, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

It's just the Chokeslam. The reason it is called the 'Chokeslam From Hell' on the video game is because it does alot more damage than a normal chokeslam. Also on the game JR does not anounce it as 'My god, what A Chokeslam From Hell'. He says 'By god, what a Chokeslam all the way from hell'. On WWE TV shows JR rarley adds the 'From Hell'. He and Jerry Lawler just shout Chokeslam. Kanes chokeslam is considerd no different from The Undertakers and his is just The Chokeslam aswell.

I don't care what McPhail says, it is called a Chokeslam from Hell, this can be proven as Kane said that this was the appropriate name for his chokeslam in an interview recently, also I did not verbally attack BGM196! (or something like that) P.S. I apologise to McPhail and Bgm196 (or whatever his name is), to Bgm196 for accidentallly deleting the X Division section of Total Nonstop Action Wrestling, and to McPhail for getting annoyed with him and insulting him.

On WWE.com it is called only a Chokeslam, so that's what we will leave it as. As for your apology, I will Assume good faith and accept. B mg 9 1 6 Speak to Me 17:15, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

It IS the Chokeslam from Hell because in the "Tale of The Tape" before the steel cage match between Undertaker and Batista for the WHC, it says Chokeslam From Hell, and Kane used the name first. Mjtwh 20:56, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Kane's Chokeslam is and has been credited by every announcer as the Chokeslam From Hell. The only reason on WWE site it is just the Chokeslam is because that is what it is a simple chokeslam. Undertaker's one handed chokeslam was credited one time by Jim Ross as the Death Valley Chokeslam on WWE 24/7 old episode of RAW.--Charles-Joseph 05:38, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Mask
kanes is belived to be a burn mask caused by undertaker and now it haunts kanes memory

Date of Birth
Since when has it been known that Glen Jacobs was born on November 10, 1070? Everything I have ever read has said something like April 7, 1967.

Sounds about right. Otherwise, he certainly is in good condition for a 936 year old.

He was born on the 26th of April. The year is disputed between 1967 and 1968., (bottom of page),,  --  T  H  L  06:26, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Masked Picture
Shouldn't there be a picture of Kane with his mask on? I mean its what he was known for, and was a huge part of his career. --Mikedk9109 19:36, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

There is one when he was wearing his tank top atire. If you mean a picture in his debuting atire then I agree. There should also be one of him with his 'Half Mask' on

Yes, and there should definatley be a picture of Kane's unsmasking from June '03 because that is for sure the most dramatic and 'life-changing' moment in his career to date.

Would somebody please put a photograph of him with his mask, as there are none. Mr monday night 20:18, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

The Black Knight
Question, if there are no dependable references as to whether Glen Jacobs did in fact portray the Black Knight, should it really be listed as one of his ring names? I'm personally of the persuasion that the Black Knight was portrayed by Jeff Gaylord and not Glen Jacobs. Kalfu
 * As am I. All you have to do is watch the match, the Black Knight is deffo not Kane, he is way too small.Halbared 09:18, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually the WWE even gives credit to Glenn Jacobs as being the Black Knight. If in fact you look close at his face it is in fact Glenn. Remember that this was way before he ever wore lifts and he does appear to be 6'7" in this match. He even acts a little bit like Glenn. Charles-Joseph 13:30, 17 September 2007


 * Just where exactly does the WWE credit Jacobs as the Black Knight???? People who have first hand knowledge of the event insist that the Black Knight was Jeff Gaylord, along with the Brooklyn Brawler and Greg Valentine as the other knights. I have yet to see a credible source that claims Jacobs as the Black Knight. Jacobs himself hasn't that I'm aware of. Plus I would add Jacobs wasn't "discovered" by the WWE/F until 1995 while working with SMW. In 1993 Jacobs would have been a green rookie learning the ropes, I sincerely doubt the WWE/F even knew who he was at the time of the 1993 Survivor Series PPV. —Preceding unsigned][[User:Misinformation|Misinformation 22:36, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Syd Barrett
I heard from somewhere that his appearance after he took off his mask was based on Syd Barrett's appearance after he shaved all of his hair. They do look very similar. Think this is worth mentioning? --XXXtylerXXX 20:04, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * You will need a reliable source if you want to add that otherwise it will be removed quickly. --67.71.78.201 05:26, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

The only reason Kane's head was shaven was because behind the camera Kane had short hair. The only reason hair was added onto the mask was to portray him like The undertaker, tall and with long hair to make them apear more like brothers.


 * Are you trying to say that Jacobs always had short hair and therefore always wore a wig while portraying the character? Because if you are that is absolute rubbish. Jacobs had long hair right up until the night he unmasked, at which point they shaved half his head and attached a wig to his mask. This is the only time Kane ever wore a wig. This has been confirmed in interviews with both Jacobs himself and Bill Moody (Paul Bearer aka Percy Pringle). Also there were several times in the past where Kane was unmasked on tv eg by the Undertaker and his hair was long and did not come off with the mask. -- Kalfu

That is true. Glenn has always had long hair. Royal Rumble 1997 when he was the imposter Diesel is just months before dawning the Kane gimmick, and his hair was long there too.--Charles-Joseph 05:34, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Not the Origional?
I've recently heard that the current Kane is not the Origional one. Apparently the Origional Kane retired because his injury in 2002 was permanent so the WWE brought in a new guy to to fill in the gap. Is there any truth to this at all?


 * Not at all true. Glen Jacobs has always been the wrestler to portray Kane, from his debut in 1997 up until now. The only other time when you could maybe say Kane was portrayed by another and that is a stretch imo, would be when they had Drew Hankinson portray the Fake Kane. Also there was a time several years back when the Undertaker and Kane swapped placed for the night to trick Vince McMahon. Kane appeared cloaked as the Undertaker and the Undertaker appeared dressed in Kane's outfit and mask, only with full length sleeves to cover his tatoos. Kalfu


 * No.Jacobs is the original, and only real Kane to have wreslted for WWE. Cosmic Larva 01:40, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, except for Drew Hankinson from earlier this year, no, there are no other Kanes. Gruntyking117 22:44, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, there was a person who played Kane for a few weeks, but I don't recall his name. -- Mikedk9109 ( sup ) ( stalk me ) 22:49, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Glen has always portrayed Kane since day one. The reason this has been brought up is probably due to the fact at times Kane appears to look heavy at one time, then slender at another, and then heavier again. All wrestlers have weight issues. Glen was the Imposter Diesel shortly before becoming Kane, and he was in fact around 326Lbs before becoming Kane. When he first appeared he had a little bit of a gut on him, and this was addressed to Glen. Throughout the first few years, Glen was in the gym frequently and by the time he got rid of a little bit of weight was around the time he first wore the black outfit. The next time we saw a drastic change in his weight is when he returned with the new half looking mask and there would be good reasons for this. He had just had surgery on his muscle and being bedridden a week and not getting enough exercise is the reason for the weight change. I had an operation and I was skinner after than when I went in to the operation. Now when we see Kane he seems to be a little bit bigger than before due to the fact he was back in the gym. There were only two other people that ever posed as, or did the Kane gimmick. The first was Undertaker. Taker had dressed in Kane's double sleeved attire numerous times, and one time wrestled a full match in it as well. The last and only other person was Drew Hankinson. Other than those two people, Kane has always been portrayed by Glen Jacobs.--Charles-Joseph 19:56, 9 November 2006 (UTC)Charles-Joseph

I've always thought about an old kane because when he wore his mask you could see a beard. Now that he doesn't have a mask, he doesn't have a beard
 * I would direct you here. Misinformation 04:51, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

These guys are right. only Jacobs Portrayed Kane, nobody else. alot of disputes about it, but only one person portrayed Kane since Kanes 1997 debut. SU121188 03:00, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Mask
Should we have section about the different mask he wore. Or have a page about the different ways his attire was set up like Undertakers personas page.


 * No because the personas of the Undertaker page is up for deletion. If we make one about Kane, it wil also be deleted. --Mikedk9109 23:49, 13 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Also, there was no substantial change in personality with the costume alterations, unlike with Undertaker. -Darryl Hamlin 01:10, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

No, we just need more pictures of Kane's older attires. His one from 2003 isn't enough. Gruntyking117 22:43, 27 October 2006 (UTC)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the . Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

no move. --  tariq abjotu  01:48, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Requested Move

 * Glen Jacobs → Kane (wrestler) … Rationale: Kane has been known under this ring name for over 9 years. I highly doubt he will be going to another promotion that would cause him to change his ring name. I think its disrespectful that he cannot have it under his own name but The Rock, Stone Cold Steve Austin, Triple H, Shawn Michaels can. -- Mikedk9109  (talk)  18:38, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Survey

 * Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with  ~


 * Support: Per my nomination reasons. -- Mikedk9109  (talk)  18:38, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose For all the reasons of the last nom.«» bd I'm cool! I'm cocky ! I'm bad! 01:39, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose We already went through this once, just leave it alone please. Glen does not own the Kane gimmick, it is property of WWE.  If he owned it, then I'd likely support it.  -- James   Duggan  06:51, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose He's also been well known as Isaac Yankem and as the fake Diesel. TJ Spyke 00:15, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Support: Agree with the initial nomination. Maestro25 00:21, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The man and the character/gimmick are different. Croctotheface 03:36, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose per above. Wow, this looks really familiar, but I can't quite figure out where I've seen it before... --  T H  L  08:43, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Discussion
Why was this proposed again? It has already been rejected, and nothing has changed since then. Is it really allowed to keep proposing the same thing over and over again with no time restrictions? --  T H  L  08:45, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Kane's Size
Why is everybody arguing about Kane's height? Doesn't he look like he is close to 7 feet? Yeah, WWE bills them more than they are, but it's obvious to anyone that he is almost 7 feet. His real height is 6'9" (206 cm) and he wears uppers in his boots that make him 6'11(+1/2)" (211 cm). So, WWE adds half an inch and bills him at 7'. As for his weight, in real life he weighs 294 pounds, even though World Wrestling Entertainment claims he is 320 lbs. ("The Prophecy" ,from Athens-Greece).


 * Got any sources for these? -- Mikedk9109  (talk)  14:06, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

How in the hell do you know his exact measurments?

Kane is actually 6'9" tall in real life. When he wrestles as Kane, he will sometimes wear three inch lifts which are concealed within his boots.  If you look you can see them plain as day.  These lifts ad the extra inches to make him billable on TV as 7'0" even and it shows. Kane hardly wears those boots anymore. Lift boots are difficult to perform in for I use a pair of them myself. Kane has only wore them recently at Wrestlemania when he faced Khali and it shows there. Kane is only a few inches smaller at that time. Kane himself is actually 326Lbs. WWE does exaggerate on weight a little but only on wrestlers who are below 6'6" tall. Anyone who is 6'6" and taller are billed by their correct weight. Kane is actually 326Lbs still.--Charles-Joseph 03:36, 11 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Kane has never worn three inch lifts. Ever.  I suggest you read this article:  http://www.celebheights.com/a/23.html to become a bit better informed on just how lifts and elevator shoes actually work.  Kane typically gets about 1.25" over barefoot height from his wrestling boots.   Circa 1999 when he was about 1.5" taller than Taker in ring (Taker wore bigger boots during this time as well) he was getting 2" - 2.5" over barefoot height in his gear.  WWE has no method for billing wrestlers, there is no rule of thumb.  Some shorter guys are underbilled, some are overbilled, some are accurately billed and the same goes for the bigger guys.  The "Monsters" are usually the most overbilled.

Manssiere 17:33, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

I have the exact same boots Kane first wore when he debuted back in October of 1997, made even by the same company and they have three inch lifts and even the company has a credit from Kane with the WWE copyright logo on it. The letter stated that he was very satisfied with the boots but was still uncomfortable with the lifts that were inserted. Plus if you look at his older pictures you can also tell he is wearing them. Lifts are concealed more on the inside than on the out. With three inch lifts like on my boots, just like on mine there is 1.5inches on the outside and 1.5inches concealed on the inside.--Charles-Joseph 05:33, 17 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Charles-Joseph, a 3" heel height (heel + insert) does not boost height by 3". A 3" heel gives only marginally over 2" boost to barefoot height.  A typical wrestling boots gives 1" - 1.25" boost over barefoot height.  http://www.celebheights.com/a/23.html  Like I said, Kane has never worn three inch lifts. The only way you are going to add 3+" of height over barefoot is to wear a full on platform shoe, which will not allow for any in ring manueverability and will look ridiculous.  Kane, even in his largest lifts (1998 - 1999) was still nearly 2" shorter than 7'0" Big Show.  Today he is nearly 4" shorter than Show.  Manssiere  —Preceding comment was added at 16:24, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Is Kane Jewish?
Is Kane jewish??? I've heard alot of rumours about it, but is it true? Emilos 15:09, 10 March 2007 (UTC)emilos —Preceding unsigned comment added by Emilos (talk • contribs)

He is a Spaniard and a Libertarian, but I'm not sure about his religion. If you meant ethnic Jew, then no he isn't. Also, you make a new section by putting two = signs around your edits. You also sign your edits by typing four of these ~. Cheers, --  T H  L  R  22:03, 8 December 2006 (UTC) Emilos 16:41, 12 December 2006 (UTC)emilos

Kayfabe?
Is the fact that Kane's parents died in a fire true or was it just to pump up Kane's character? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 989 RVD (talk) 22:07, 24 December 2006 (UTC).

Just kayfabe. --  The  Hyb  rid  17:27, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

I guess it was kayfabe to make Kane even more scarier Sha0000

ROYAL RUMBLE CORRECTION
The fact on the page about his number of Rumbles need to be changed, he's been in 11 96 as Isaac Yankem 97 as New Diesel 99-07 as Kane

This page is about the wrestler WWE Kane, not his past gimmicks. fadedx 15:41, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

No, this page is about Glen Jacobs who portrayed those characters, that info is completely relivent.

Kane's mask
Is Kane really going to wear his mask back on. There is a rumour that the current Kane is not the real one. The real one retired for a injury in 2002. Now the real one is going to show off. Is that true at all?