Talk:Kansas City, Missouri/Archive 1

Soccer
Isn't soccer played at Kemper Arena, not Arrowhead Stadium? I know in the days of the Kansas City Komets, the Komets played at Kemper. --Dave Farquhar 21:02, 26 Feb 2004 (UTC)


 * See Arrowhead Stadium. It lists the "Kansas City Wizards (MLS) 1996-Present" ... JDR


 * If they played in Kemper then they must have been an indoor soccer team. Indoor soccer is played on a much smaller field with walls. It's basically a modified ice hockey court.--Gbleem 09:34, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * The Wizards are an outdoor team. The Kansas City Comets (formerly Attack), play at Kemper in the Major Indoor Soccer League. KHill-LTown 17:56, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Famous locals
Edgar Allan Poe? Kansas City? My google failed me.
 * Mine too. Away he goes.  If someone has a good reason for putting him back, please do, but tell us why!  Gwimpey 04:06, Nov 18, 2004 (UTC)


 * Also, Eminem? Could someone explain why he's here, as his article doesn't give me any clues.  He was born in St. Joseph, which is in northern Missouri, but not usually considered part of the KC area Gwimpey 04:06, Nov 18, 2004 (UTC)
 * OK, some sources on the net give his birthplace as KC, but the article says St. Joseph. Which is it?Gwimpey 04:09, Nov 18, 2004 (UTC)


 * He's from St. Joseph, over fifty miles away from metropolitan Kansas City, so I wouldn't include it. --KHill-LTown 06:41, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * In response to a recent addition: At the moment Kansas City and St. Joseph are not part of the same metropolitan statistical area. Eminem has about the same significance to the Kansas City area as Steve McQueen, who lived on a farm 70 miles (112.6 km) away in Slater when he was a toddler. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by KHill-LTown (talk • contribs) 15:10, May 4, 2005  (UTC)


 * FYI, I didn't add that reference to Diwa's House. I have no clue what the heck it is or who added it.  --KHill-LTown 06:41, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Yup, yours was the last version w/o that reference. Probably somebody named "Diwa" playing around. Gwimpey 02:04, Nov 29, 2004 (UTC)


 * Walter Cronkite was also born in St. Joseph and grew up in a different part of the country. However, he has family in KC (his cousin is current KCMO mayor Kay Barnes) and he met his wife while working at a Kansas City radio station.--KHill-LTown 4 July 2005 19:50 (UTC)

Attractions and transportation
I added some attracitons. Rennaissance festival should be in KC,MO as the organization and the year-round stuff is headquarted in the actual city (and it benefits the arts in the actual city) even though some of the events are held in ks near verizon wirelss.

added other missing KC,MO attractions —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 152.3.44.54 (talk • contribs) 21:15, December 7, 2004 (UTC)

Food/Culture
Nothing about our bbq? *sigh* I guess someone (me?) should add something. Because we have the best in the world... Probably deserves a mention. tp 22:42, Jan 29, 2005 (UTC)

Gay/Lesbian Life
Removed from main entry, as it's really not relevant to the article. Would be better suited for a "Kansas City Lifestyles" article or subheading if someone wants to create one, but just didn't seem to fit in the main article. Also seems a little discriminatory towards homosexuals to make a special point of their existance in the Kansas City area. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.189.227.245 (talk • contribs) February 19, 2005  (UTC)


 * "Queens" of the Priests of Pallas festivals (1887-1924) were disguised and their identity never disclosed during the festival events. It was later revealed that the "queens" were, in fact, men. At the time, it was felt the parade and other activities would be too strenuous for a woman. This begat the beginning of one of the first underground gay communities in the US. Drawing cross-dressers 	from everywhere, many burlesque performers at cabaret clubs during the jazz era were actually men. 
 * —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.76.179.174 (talk • contribs) 19:30, April 19, 2005 (UTC)

Swope Park
Was listed as the largest in the nation at 1000 acres, a little larger than Central Park's 843 acres in New York. But South Mountain Park within the city of Phoenix, Arizona, is 16,500 acres- just a bit larger: (11 miles across and 58 miles of trails). --Blainster 08:45, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Bartle Hall

 * Any reason why there's two shots of Bartle Hall in the page? This is a metropolitan of 1.8 million and all that's on here photographically are two photos of the same thing. (Hmm... another reason why I should become a shutterbug.)--KHill-LTown 01:39, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Addendum: please, if you are uploading pics of Kansas City you've taken, make sure you claim them as your own and license them appropriately or release them into the public domain! They're gorgeous shots, but unless you list appropriate licensing, administrators will delete them!--KHill-LTown 06:40, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Transportation
What's the city's internal transportation system like? Does it use light rail or just buses? That part of the article, found in other city articles, is missing. -Amit
 * What mass transit? Kansas Citians have been reluctant to support mass transit initiatives.  The last initiative that passed was a sales tax to keep the bus system afloat.  The streetcars have been gone for almost 50 years, we've got more interstate miles per capita than any other metro area in the U.S., we're sprawled like crazy.  Few take any light rail plan seriously, and tunneling for a subway would be beyond expensive for a metro of 1.8 million.  Not to mention two of the big three car makers have plants here that show no signs of closing.  Kansas Citians, to put it generally, love their cars. --KHill-LTown 23:26, 9 July 2005 (UTC)


 * I've heard from someone in Los Angeles that we're wrong about the Interstate-miles-per-capita thing, so does anyone have a cite? Nae'blis 21:23:59, 2005-08-31 (UTC)
 * Clay Chastain said that we had that "dubious" honor when he was pitching his light rail. Guess I'm the idiot who still thinks his sources had a degree of merit.  I'll have to take a ruler to my Rand McNally to figure it out, but as I recall, Wikipedia discourages original research.  However, they have nearly three times as many people in their metro, and the count can't include US HIghways. --KHill-LTown 00:36, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * says Kansas Citians drive 29 miles per person, versus 23 miles per person for Los Angeles area. However neither is highest in that measurement (Houston 'wins' that prize at 37). As far as the 'freeway miles per capita' measure, we're second as of 2003 (we were highest in 1999, apparently) - again losing to Houston TX. Nae'blis 20:26:34, 2005-09-07 (UTC)

I came here looking to find out about transportation, too... and I did not find an article on it. You can talk about Freeways, Kansas City Metro "The Bus", and your new MAX (Metropolitan Area Express) rail system... not to be confused with Portland's. Another great thing to discuss is the river traffic, and more about the ports. Transportation is not just buses and rail (especially not in kansas city. I was there and all i saw was pavement :P) Alphalife 09:07, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

KC is the 2nd largest RR hub, not third. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 152.3.44.54 (talk • contribs) 21:15, December 7, 2004 (UTC)

Despite the past problems Kansas City has faced in finding support for and maintaining its mass transit system, current trends show that its use is on the rise. The Metro Area bus system transports approximately 50,000 people each day, and with the current renovation of the downtown area, as well as the addition of new Metro Area eXpress line, this is only expected to rise. River traffic, as Alphalife mentioned, is also a very good topic of discussion. I am currently doing research in an attempt to expand this section of the article. Any feedback would be appreciated. -JWFowler 19:58, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

I'm needing to double check this, but Richards Gebaur isn't an airport anymore, is it? --KHill-LTown 17:02, 11 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Richards-Gebaur's runway has been closed for around 6 years now. Currently, a railroad cuts through the old runway, plus there are numerous new cars parked there for storage. 131.7.251.200 08:02, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

The statement that the buses run 7 days a week is misleading. All buses run on weekdays. Some do run on Saturday. Even fewer run on Sunday. The route that the bus takes can change depending on the day of the week. http://kcata.org/_kcatadata/allresults.asp --JustAGal 16:34, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Metropolitan size
Kansas City has the 27th largest metropolitan in the nation (population 1,836,038), while St. Louis is 18th, with 2,698,687. Therefore, St. Louis is the largest metropolitan in Missouri. Source: List_of_United_States_metropolitan_statistical_areas_by_population —The preceding unsigned comment was added by KHill-LTown (talk • contribs) 18:12, November 15, 2005 (UTC)

Counties...
There is an outline of Jackson County, Missouri showing (in red) the KCMO city limites in that county. But, there are 2 problems...  1. Kansas City is in 3 other counties as well. 2. The city limits of Kansas City (shown in red on the outline) are also incorrect. Is there any way to fix that?
 * I left a note with the person who uploaded that, suggesting he or she add Clay and Platte. Of course, since Wikipedia is the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit, perhaps you or I can make the necessary adjustments. --KHill-LTown 05:47, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

The counties showing the KCMO city limits in red are CORRECT. They look great (in my opinion). But, is there any way to add Platte County, Missouri on there to make the image most accurate? I would do it myself, but I am still learning all about Wikipedia as I go along here... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by AllThingsKC (talk • contribs) 00:29, December 6, 2005 (UTC)

I'm in the process of adding Platte County to the map to complete the image. My apologies for the delay. SoundGod3 05:01, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Finished. Let me know if I missed something. SoundGod3 06:10, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Map looks great. Thanks!! --KHill-LTown 08:55, 13 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I think it looks excellent!!! --AllThingsKC 09:23, 13, December 2005 (UTC)

KC Restaurant link
In the event this comes up for arbitration, I am inclined to favor that the link to a KC area restaurant guide not be listed. It appears as though restaurants must pay to be listed on this guide. Outerwise, I'd be astonished to see that there's only four restaurants in the entire Northland (an expanse across two counties) when I actually count just many more in Zona Rosa alone. --KHill-LTown 12:22, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Spam on this page
continues to add his link to a KC restaurant-promotion site which is clearly (to me at least) a commercial link which does not fit in an encyclopedia. I'm looking to avoid an endless revert war over this, because that doesn't benefit anyone - does anyone else have any thoughts about this site? (It appears that there may be some discussion already above that indicates this link should not be added) (ESkog)(Talk) 00:54, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure why the KC Blogs link is there. Anyone? --Hobbes747 15:50, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

compromise
Lets add the link to just the KC Missouri page. I see that some others feel that it isnt spam, and the way i feel is that people can use it for free to find some information on the Culinary aspect of KC. I am going to add the link once more to the KC missouri page and hope we can agree that it should be there.

Let me make one more point. This link is not here in order to have restaurants/restaurant owners find it and then pay money to be on the guide. I doubt any restaurant owners will come through the Wiki and see a restaurant guide link and feel the need to pay to be included. I do see many restaurant patrons coming through and finding the guide quite useful if they are planning a business trip, a vacation, or a permanent move to KC. I do not see anyway that the actual site will make money from this link, and I personally have used this guide on several occasions while traveling to and through KC.

I vote we all leave the link alone and see who else comes along to argue its place.


 * I'm game for that, pending other people weighing in. (ESkog)(Talk) 07:36, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
 * OK. It's not exactly Fromer's or Zagat, but at least since restaurants don't have to pay to be listed, it's buildable.  Hopefully more restaurants will submit their restaurants onto that list, making it more likely to stay linked from Wikipedia. --KHill-LTown 17:20, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Strange "Asylum" at around 18th and Forest
Does anyone have any information at all about this strange, mysterious stone building, obviously deserted complete with broken windows and unhinged doors, with letters on the top, very faded, saying "ASYLUM"? It is located near the corner of 18th Street and Forest Avenue. Any info at all would be very much appreciated.
 * Check the Kansas City Public Library. Find something there and share the wealth!! --KHill-LTown 05:00, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Got a specific address? I might be able to check city property records... even if you can tell me what corner it's on, or how far down, that would help. -- nae'blis (talk) 16:55, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 * The anonymous user did say 18th Street and Forest Avenue. --KHill-LTown 17:35, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'm aware of that. There are four corners and more than a half-dozen buildings in that area, and the map requires a new page load for each one. Having a specific parcel address would improve my ability to search considerably. -- nae'blis (talk) 18:20, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

REPLY: I'm not sure if there's an exact address. It looks like it probably doesn't even have an address or any records anymore. It's at probably 1803 Forest Ave., I'm guessing, I say this because it's one building down from what would be 1801 Forest, which is right up at that corner. -- 10:02, 30 January 2006

REPLY: 1826 Forest Ave. was the home of the Wheatley Hospital in the 1930's


 * I also want to add - for many years, a dark attraction called "Dr Deadly's Haunted Hospital" operated out of that area. I remember going there once around 1993-1994 time period, and it had been running for years before that.  A quick search pulled up an old address listing as "1825 Forest Ave" ([website]), but I'm not sure how accurate that is.  I also remember they advertised that they were operating in a "real former insane asylum".  So, though it may or may not have been an insane asylum (gotta allow for artistic license, after all), that's probably the building.  The decor may be more as a result of it's years as a commercial haunted house rather than any stint as an actual asylum, though.  --Reverend Loki 00:47, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

"The Delinquents" and Kansas City Film
Although it is not directly related to the Kansas City page, there was a feature film titled "The Delinquents" made by Robert Altman in Kansas City in the mid-'50s. It has been suggested we "clean up" the article on that film. Any suggestions? Also, our article "Film in Kansas City" has been tagged for clean-up. Once again, any suggestions for these two articles?
 * Well again, you could clean them up. This is, after all, the encyclopedia anybody can edit.  So dig in and make both those articles great!! --KHill-LTown 16:44, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

KC Photos
We've lost several great photos of the Kansas City area due to their copyright status not being listed. Please, Please, PLEASE list a copyright tag when uploading photos! If it's yours, say so! License it accordingly!! --KHill-LTown 01:31, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

History
Added a more detailed early history of Kansas City. 65.28.2.172 13:24, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot! However, as this article is getting very large, I've moved it to a new page: History of Kansas City.  Please keep on the lookout for other sections of the article we can make separate entries.  --KHill-LTown 19:49, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Pitch
There appear to be a considerable amount of editors interested in writing and/or contributing to articles about the Kansas City area. Should we form a WikiProject aimed at adding or improving these articles? (Oh, and I hope someone's taken a photo of "the Scout" at Penn Valley Park - that'd be a great project logo and stub icon.) --KHill-LTown 00:17, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
 * The recently created WikiProject Missouri will serve in this capacity for the time being. --KHill-LTown 23:51, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Climate source?
Where is the climate source? USPatent 17:24, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Fountains
Where is the source for the number of fountains?
 * I just followed a series of links - starting at kcmo.org from the external links on this article, which led me to visitkc.com, and eventually to http://www.kcfountains.org/, a site maintained by the City of Fountains Foundation. It states that their database now lists over 200 Kansas City fountains.  Problem is, this isn't a commonly tracked statistic, like population, or crime.  I've also noticed that several sites are currently saying that KC "...has more fountains than any other city in the world, with the possible exception of Rome" - it's hard to say which city has more.  Any info on how many Rome has, anyways?  BTW, I'll add the kcfountains site to the list of external links  for this article.  Oh, and don't forget to sign comments on talk pages.  --Reverend Loki 19:29, 30 June 2006 (UTC)   ADDED:  Heh, links already there... I just overlooked it.  --Reverend Loki 19:31, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Stop deleting the picture!
I keep posting the KCMO skyline picture, which I get from the SPANISH version of Wikipedia. Stop deleting the picture! It is legal and under a GNU licence. Please consult with me (enorton08) BEFORE you think about deleting the picture, or else I will report you for unreasonable deletion.
 * If you don't want it deleted, then you must add a copyright tag to the photo. Otherwise, the copyright cops will continue to believe that you're just pulling pictures from random places and delete them accordingly.  You don't get an A on a term paper unless you include a bibliography.  (If you're getting perfect scores on papers despite never turning in a term paper, then your school's a complete joke.)Oh, and sign your talk page entires.  Simply type --~. --KHill-LTown 20:00, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Sports - Future Teams - source?
In this section it is mentioned that KC is hoping for an NBA or NHL team to fill the Sprint Arena; this much is common enough knowledge. It also mentions that the two most likely teams to move to KC are the Sacremento Kings and the Orlando Magic. Anyone have a source on this fact? --Reverend Loki 22:07, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Kansas City vs. Kansas City Metropolitan Area
What criteria do we use to decide what goes in the Kansas City, Mo article and what goes in the Kansas City Metropolitan Area article? --Gbleem 17:06, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
 * It should be relatively simple: If it involves a KCMO address (north or south of the river), it goes in this article.  If it's a suburb or KCK, it goes elsewhere. --KHill-LTown 21:17, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Close, but I would say it does get a bit more complicated than that. For instance, there are a lot of "things" (substitute: people, places, events, ideas, etc) that extend beyond any one city in the metro area.  An couple of examples: I-435, and KC barbecue.  I-435 is pretty obvious - it goes through several cities - this should warrant a mention in the individual articles of all of these cities, as well as the KC Metro Area article.  Of course, barbecue is a part of te KC tradition, but some of the great restaurants are in the suburbs.  Here's a possible rule of thumb - if it is something that is important to those living outside of KCMO as part of ther identity as a member of the KC Metro area, then it goes in the metro article.  This rule would probably mean that the Chiefs, Royals, Wizards, and other KCMO based teams get a mention too.  Which stands to reason... they are supported in part by Jackson county, which extends beyond just KCMO.  It would also include the T-Bones, based out of KCKS.  Now, KCMO and KC Metro need not each maintain exclusive info... an item in the KC Metro article can be in the KCMO article too.  We should just make sure that one article isn't merely a mirror or a subset of the other article.  And if you are ever in doubt about a specific entry, just ask on the talk pages; al sorts of people will be more than happy to voice their opinion on it. --Reverend Loki 21:33, 19 July 2006 (UTC)


 * One possible solution is to put everything in the metro article and then only put a few items about government in the individual cities. This way you aren't repeating the same thing in every little town. --Gbleem 18:27, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
 * That doesn't really fit in with the overall format of other city articles, though, based upon a brief look around. People expect that info to be in the KCMO article.  There would have to be a lot of cross linking to make sure people got to the info they wanted.  I think we're going to have to accept that there is going to be a certain amount of overlap and repetition.  And how about a theoretical point where almost anything that would fit into a KCMO or KC Metro article is also covered under it's own main article, such as KC History, or Sports in KC?  --Reverend Loki 19:19, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed. We should turn our focus to expanding about these aspects of KC in separate article:  History, Economy, Transportation, Barbecue, etc. --KHill-LTown 19:39, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

neighborhoods discussion
Side article needs more eyeballs: please weigh in at Talk:List_of_Registered_Neighborhoods_in_Kansas_City%2C_Missouri, thanks. :)

Vacant lot at 1810 E 49th St
I was looking up a local KC celebrity of the past (Shelby Storck) in city directories, and found that between 1920 and 1940, he lived in a house (with his mother, grandfather, and uncle) at 1810 E 49th St. I looked for the address (which is in a rather depressing slum area just down the block from Paseo High School) in my car and found that it is now a vacant lot, and that half of the space the old house occupied is now occupied by one half of a more modern-looking (perhaps 1960's-1970's?) duplex. A search for any info on this address on the internet in the Kansas City Public Library "Local History" file yielded no results, but I was wondering if there was any way to access city property records to find when and why the home was demolished. Or perhaps pictures of the house when it was still standing. Or anything (lol.). Thanks. --- Mike14
 * The only thing I can come up with is the KivaNet listing for that parcel, which doesn't tell you much. County records might be able to tell you more... -- nae'blis 02:17, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

A Mexican Customs Port?
I recently got a blog entry in an e-mail that claims the government is considering a plan to declare Kansas City, MO a "port" under Mexican sovereignty. Is this actually being considered, or is it just paranoid rambling? JDspeeder1 18:04, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Presumably that would be at Kansas City International Airport which has direct flights to Mexico. The "I" designation at KCI came from the Mexico flights.   KCI had hoped for more international flights since it was one of the first two big hubs for TWA but they never materialized.Americasroof 18:51, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Making a port there under Mexican sovereignty is news... I can't help but question the veracity of that statement. I'm sure it's not as simple as that statement makes it sound.  There has been talk of making an inland port at KC for a while now.  There was some talk about turning the old airport at the intersection of 71 and 150 Hways (sorry, name escapes me right now) into a major rail- and road-way hub, and possibly running customs inspections out of there... though I think that plan didn't come to full fruition, I don't know what happened with it.  Another recent articlue mentioning the US Customs in KC:  (search the article for Kansas City - second hit, it's under the subheading "integration and independence"). I found the KC SmartPort site interesting as well - particularly the statement "As one of only five U.S. cities in which three interstates intersect, soon to be four interstates".  I wasn't aware of a fourth coming to town.  I assume the 3 are 70, 35 and 29, of course (all the others are offshoots of those).  A quickle Google turned up not much.  Anyone else heard of this?  --Reverend Loki 18:57, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Richards-Gebaur is now a multimodal hub, and 71 Highway is suppose to become I-49 when Arkansas gets around to building a freeway from Fort Smith south to Shreveport. MoDOT's said they will sign all of US-71 south of the Triangle I-49 when it's all interstate-grade.The port's been in discussion for awhile, but I think it'll be limited to a few warehouses in the West Bottoms.  Mexico's taken a great interest in KC, seeing as Kansas City Southern's taken over their national freight line. --KHill-LTown 19:18, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Everything I've seen has said it would not have Mexican sovereignity (at least, that's the official line); however it does seem to offer outbound Mexican customs service, from KC to Lazaro Cardenas. The "Mexican sovereignty" thing seems to be something in an email that came out due to the Sunshine Law, but "not bloody likely" comes to mind, especially after the Dubai port debacle. -- nae'blis 00:34, 17 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Sounds notable. Anybody up for SmartPort wiki? Americasroof 03:26, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

KC Metro vs STL Metro
There's been something like 5-10 edits today changing the quantity comparison between population of the St Louis Metro vs the Kansas City Metro areas. It looks like some want to use 2000 Census figures, while others want to use more recent estimates, and I'm not sure but I think some are inexplicably trying to use a combination of the two. I suggest you discuss it here and get it out of your systems,if it's so important to you. Really, though, I don't think that little factoid is all that important, and not that useful - either you're using figures 6 years out of date, or figures that are rough estimates at best. Anyways, have at it. --Reverend Loki 21:32, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm doing my own census. So far I have counted me, my neighbory Chuck, Melinda in the next house and Six people in the Hicks house on the corner. I'll get back to you when I'm done. --Gbleem 00:19, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Allright, let's see... I assume these people are all in the KC Metro area. I notice you don't have anything for STL yet, so I'll just mark that as 0.  Now, it looks like, according to initial numbers, the KC Metro is actually larger than the STL metro by... well, I guess an infinite amount (when using an extended non-negative real number system, at least).  Of course, this figure will be updated in the future as more results come in, but as an intermediary estimate based upon the data on hand from the Gbleem Survey...  --Reverend Loki 00:48, 17 August 2006 (UTC) (who assesses himself a 2 drink penalty for using 3 ellipses in one paragraph).
 * Wait a minute. It's against Wikipedia's policy to post original research in articles! :DOK, where was I?  Oh, right.  Saying how much larger the St. Louis metro is than KC's is superfluous.  Agree with omitting it entirely. --KHill-LTown 18:17, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Downtown map misleading
I do not think this map serves any purpose and should be removed from the article. There are plenty of graphics that could replace it. The map tries to bracket downtown between I-70 and I-670 while the Downtown Kansas City article notes downtown is between the Missouri River and 31st Street. Americasroof 03:28, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I disagree. Is there even a definitive "downtown" boundary that has been set out by an authoritative body?  By the text definition given, I work in the downtown area - however, towards the edge of it, and none of us consider it to be within downtown - we just call it the Union Hill area.  However, I normally consider the downtown area to be a bit more expansive than just whats within the downtown loop.  Maybe recaption the picture?  What other pictures where you thinking about replacing it with?  The downtown loop is an important part of the geography that shapes the city...  --Reverend Loki 03:55, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
 * As I have stated elsewhere I dislike the use of "official" neighborhood boundaries officially set by the city. I have not come across any other article in other cities where they rely on an official definition for the city to define neighborhoods.  I think most people probably think of downtown basically being from Union Station north to the river.  My annoyance with the map is that it wipes out an area that most people consider downtown in the Crossroads District which includes the KC Star, the TWA Corporate Headquarters, 1908 Main. Americasroof 04:08, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Downtown is a highly nebulous term: http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/business/6694172.htm (cached copy) for starters discusses extending it as far south as the Plaza. I agree that the Loop is iconic, but it all depends on our terminology. The "Greater Downtown area" seems to be the one that extends to 31st Street, as established by ordinance. -- nae'blis 22:13, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmm.. just read that ordinance. Apparently, there is a gap in the downtown boundary - the ordinance states that the southern edge continues along East Linwood to Broadway.  East Linwood never reaches Broadway - at Main, it becomes West Linwood.  An incomplete perimeter does not mark a body.. therefore, the entire world is, by ordinance, declared to be Downtown Kansas City.  Who wants to word this update?  --Reverend Loki 22:32, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I changed the caption to address my peeve on the map which unfortunately tried to label the core as the downtown business district. Again, I don't like the city's official designations as 31st Street is way too south. Americasroof 14:04, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
 * If I remember correctly, 31st Street is the southern boundary of Penn Valley Park. Probably not worth rationalizing in the article, but I thought I'd throw this into the discussion as what the city's thinking. --KHill-LTown 22:08, 2 September 2006 (UTC)


 * To me and most people I know Downtown is the nasty area where you can't find parking which means within the loop. Outside of the loop parking is not so bad. The city wants to make downtown as big as possible, in my opinion, to first ease grant writing and connect downtown to the Plaza. You can't develop any further North. Downtown was a nasty word in many cities for a time and still is in some cities. I think this is why you we have had such an emphasis on calling places by names like Hospital Hill, Union Hill, Crown Center, The Crossroads and such. Call my neighborhood anything but downtown. --Gbleem 19:13, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Officially, according to City Hall and the Downtown Council, Downtown is regarded as from River to 31st St. and I-35 to Bruce R. Watkins. Mayor Kay Barnes and others regard Greater Downtown as a reference to Downtown, Midtown, Westport and the Plaza. I personally choose to go with the official definitions. The Loop is simply the Downtown Loop, a part of Downtown as a whole. As is Crown Center, the River Market and the Crossroads. --KCMODevin 03:14, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

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Molasses in Kansas City barbecue sauce
Besides the fact that the description of Arthur Bryant taking over Henry Perry's barbecue stand needs to be rewritten to make it clear that Perry opened his stand after migrating from Memphis in 1921 and that it was Perry's sauce that got molasses added to it, I think I need to take issue with the description of both it and Gates' sauce as containing molasses, let alone more molasses.

Gates' sauce uses brown sugar as a sweetener. (Granted, brown sugar is merely refined white sugar to which molasses has been added back, but it's still not the same as molasses.) And Gates' Original sauce lacks the sweetness of KC Masterpiece, which is heavy on the molasses. Nor did Bryant use molasses in his sauce; the ingredient list on bottles of Bryant's Original sauce list "sugar" among the "seasonings" used. (One unusual ingredient it contains: lard.)

Neither Gates' Original nor Bryant's Original has the cloying sweetness of KC Masterpiece or most of the sauces identified as "Kansas City-style" outside the city - or, for that matter, several of the Kansas City sauces developed in Masterpiece's wake, such as Cowtown. Both companies added sweeter sauces to their product lines after KC Masterpiece became a big national seller. To this day, most better barbecue sauces in the city, such as Q39, don't have the pronounced sweetness of Masterpiece, though they are sweeter than either Bryant's or Gates' original sauces.

Gates', in fact, is noteworthy for its spiciness relative to other "regular" KC sauces: when it introduced a sweeter version, it was labeled Sweet & Mild.

I will alter the passage in the main article accordingly.

As to where I claim authority, check my bona fides. I was born and raised in Kansas City and ate my share of both Gates' and Bryant's Q growing up (I generally prefer Gates). I return home fairly regularly to boot. Marketstel (talk) 03:32, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

in 2014, a white supremacist opened fire outside a Jewish Community Center in a suburb of Kansas City, Mo., killing three people
A spokesman for the A.D.L. said that before Saturday’s shooting the deadliest anti-Semitic attack in recent United States history was in 1985, when a man killed a family of four in Seattle. He had mistakenly thought that they were Jewish. More recently, in 2014, a white supremacist opened fire outside a Jewish Community Center in a suburb of Kansas City, Mo., killing three people.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/27/us/active-shooter-pittsburgh-synagogue-shooting.html?action=click&module=inline&pgtype=Article

--Über-Blick (talk) 01:33, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Error in link to Washington Square Park
As of Dec 17, 2018, the link to "Washington Square Park" is obviously not correct.

It links to a park of the same name in New York City, New York.

One correct link for Kansas City's Washington Square Park would be as follows:

https://kcparks.org/places/washington-square-park/

My suggested link takes the reader to an official KC government web site. It seems to me the info on the recommended site would be appropriate and useful. Forgchum046 (talk) 16:19, 17 December 2018 (UTC) Forrest

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Forgchum046 (talk • contribs) 16:05, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Two images
User:Flyingsquirrel1234 has been adding the two images (located to the right) to the article, to both the lead and the infobox. This editor has also been deleted the pushpin map from the infobox. I have reverted this edit a few times, but seek the input of other editors. The content of the image is unsourced original research, and the image, per MOS:IMAGES, are blurry and low quality. Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 16:38, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

I think you guys can compromise. The picture with the labeled rivers should stay where it is because it’s related to the text. but I think one of you should move the population density map to Demographics. It looks fairly accurate to me based on the population density of the cities in those areas. I’ll just move it there for you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Midwestman1986 (talk • contribs) 17:08, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

I moved the density map to demographics where it should be. I don’t think he understand how a pushpin map works. He was complaining about there being 2 pictures of Missouri. The image in the lead should stay there because it does complement the lead well. That’s what he intended to do I think they were good faith edits. He also edited on Kansas City metropolitan area page and added the county codes along with a more recent map. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Midwestman1986 (talk • contribs) 17:29, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

Fine, but I don’t know what you guys mean by blurry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flyingsquirrel1234 (talk • contribs) 20:28, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Look at where it says "Olathe" in the green map. That's blurry. Just plain Bill (talk) 21:06, 8 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Be aware that User:Flyingsquirrel1234 and User:Midwestman1986 are the same person and both have been blocked indefinitely (along with a dozen or so other accounts). That map upload is clearly not of encyclopedic quality. Grey Wanderer (talk) 21:27, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

"Killa City" listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Killa City. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Hog Farm (talk) 14:41, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 September 2020
Adding University of Kansas Medical Center in Kansas City, Kansas to universities as a medical school in the metro area. Also the on-campus, Dykes Library which is right on campus. This is near the Westport area.

Consider adding Kansas Jayhawks of The University of Kansas in neaarby Lawrence, Kansas as this is fairly close to the city and is just outside the city. 2605:A601:AC6D:D00:8DBB:B4EC:C8A3:AD39 (talk) 03:14, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: I may have misunderstood your request, but this article is about the city in Missouri, not the city in Kansas. Goldsztajn (talk) 07:37, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

City Manager
Can someone update the City Manager? This page is locked and I don't have access to edit.

Troy Schulte is no longer city manager, he has moved on to a new role as Jackson County Administrator.

https://www.jacksongov.org/1164/Troy-Schulte-named-as-County-Administrat

Brian Platt will be the new City Manager.

http://cityclerk.kcmo.org/LiveWeb/Documents/Document.aspx?q=sqowMVqZ4S1eY%2bDVPsty1HF9pFOwLpAWLYf1DjbfY8od2QgVkl61hZsLOhEbyKvE


 * I reckon we will when it happens. Watch for a contract sometime by January 21. Keep upgrading your account and don't forget to sign your comment! :) — Smuckola(talk) 17:47, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 February 2021
Change "was consider controversial" to "was considered controversial" 149.97.117.198 (talk) 18:35, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ Good catch, thanks. — Smuckola(talk) 19:37, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

"20th century streetcar system" in the "Post-Civil War" subsection of the History section needs to be corrected, expanded and moved
The section on the city's 20th-century streetcar network should be located under "Infrastructure" instead of "History." In addition, it should form part of a historical section under "Public transportation" that also includes the cable car network (IIRC, the city's late-19th-century cable car system was more extensive than San Francisco's), the 9th Street Incline (which the 8th Street tunnel was built to replace) and the Inter-State Elevated Railway, which carried the streetcars on an elevated structure across the West Bottoms between KCMo and KCK. (This article about an elevated streetcar line in Baltimore also mentions the Inter-State el.) Finally, while it may well have been the first streetcar tunnel built in the country — a statement I would have to fact-check, as I am not aware this has been claimed — the 8th Street tunnel was not, as the current section claims, "an underground streetcar system through the city" — it was just one segment of a line, built to surmount the problem of getting cable cars down the bluff separating Downtown from the West Bottoms (the purpose for which the 9th Street Incline had been built). Marketstel (talk) 14:04, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Error in description of the city manager
If I get time, I will fix this myself, but the council-manager city government was not "created in response to the excesses of the Pendergast years." H.F. McElroy served as city manager throughout the 1930s, when the Pendergast machine was at its zenith; he was in charge of the city during the years of the Ten-Year Plan that channelized Brush Creek, built the Southwest and Southeast (Van Brunt Boulevard Extension/Brush Creek Boulevard) trafficways, and gave the city its skyscraper City Hall. I need to see when the city adopted its current council-manager form of government, but it was either before or during the Pendergast era. Marketstel (talk) 14:11, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Official Source on Flag?
I cannot find an official source on the KCMO Flag. I think the one pictured is accurate (and I have seen it flying in KC myself), but I still can't find a good official source on it. ― TaltosKieronTalk 13:29, 30 August 2021 (UTC)


 * See https://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/us-mokss.html#legal for the text of ordinance 921394, which evidently established the current design. I expect there would be a "more offical" web site which contains the text of the ordinance.  This page also shows previous flags, which is relevant context, even though this may not be up to the standards of a reliable source. Fabrickator (talk) 15:33, 30 August 2021 (UTC)


 * It'll have to do, thanks. ― Taltos<b style="color:#4d67e9;background:#000;padding:1q;border-radius:0 5q 5q 0">Kieron</b>Talk 13:51, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

"Kansas, Missouri" listed at Redirects for discussion
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Kansas, Missouri. The discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 October 12 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Hog Farm Talk 05:26, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Error in Federal representation
The section describing the federal representation of the city is incorrect. Most notably the part that says "all of Kansas City proper north of the Missouri River" is in the 5th district. Much of that region is within the 6th district. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.37.31.220 (talk) 02:47, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Racism (?) in section subtitled "Troost redlining and white flight"
In the section subtitled "Troost redlining and white flight" is the following:

"During the civil rights era the city blocked people of color from moving to homes west of Troost Avenue, causing the areas east of Troost to have one of the worst murder rates in the country."

First, I read the article linked at the conclusion of the paragraph and found no mention of this causal relationship. Perhaps the two historical facts are correlated, but to suggest that blocking POC from the west side caused more murder on the east side is at best a misunderstanding. At its worst, restated it says that when POC are living near one another they are more inclined to kill one another. 2603:9000:CC12:F699:85D0:CEF1:C0F:5894 (talk) 15:35, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

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