Talk:Kantokuen

CE
Did a cheeky little copy edit, revert as desired. Altered pic sizes as px numbers are deprecated, to change them use |upright=| with a multiple after the = sign, .75 or 1.5 for eg. Numbers followed by mm etc are spaced 75 mm. For isbns http://pcn.loc.gov/isbncnvt.html is good for getting isbn 13s and hyphenating them, if it can't hyphenate http://www.isbn.org/ISBN_converter can. There are quite a few duplicated wikilinks; it might help if you set up a page like User:Keith-264/common.js and install importScript('User:Evad37/duplinks-alt.js'); so that duplicate wikilinks show up first time in green and then the dupes in red. Regards Keith-264 (talk) 08:46, 12 August 2017 (UTC)


 * I suggest that if the citation format is to be retained, hyphens between numbers - be changed to dashes – and multi-page citations be checked for pp. rather than p. Regards Keith-264 (talk) 16:29, 12 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your help, will do. Being rather new at wikipedia coding some of this stuff come off as a bit tricky, but I'm sure I'll get it.
 * The Pittsburgher (talk) 17:02, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I think it's a big and comprehensive article so there's a lot to get the hang of (I ruined the infobox by leaving a Keith-264 (talk) 09:18, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Added isbns and oclcs where I could find them and pdfs where available. The Russian titles were more difficult though, still a bit to do.Keith-264 (talk) 10:28, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Had another dash, rm several dupe wikilinks a bit of a ce but feel free to revert as desired. Regards Keith-264 (talk) 16:58, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Conflict infobox
As the plan was never implemented, I don't think that a conflict infobox is appropriate. I think it should instead have an operational plan infobox as used for example for Operation Sea Lion. Mztourist (talk) 05:46, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
 * that's fair suggestion. GraemeLeggett (talk) 12:16, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a good call, it should probably be changed
 * The Pittsburgher (talk) 13:40, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Hey, I decided to be bold and changed the infobox template. I haven't figured out how to incorporate combatant, commander and strength parameters into the text though. Really amazing work! This is WP:FAC material. Alex ShihTalk 15:06, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Nice job! You really saved me some work there. As far as I'm concerned most (if not all) strengths, units, and commanders are already included in various parts of the article, but squeezing them all in shouldn't be that big of a challenge. Hopefully if we keep chipping away at it we can bring this up to FA status.
 * The Pittsburgher (talk) 15:13, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Changes to "Comparative TO&E of Soviet (RKKA), Japanese, and German Infantry Divisions"
There are two areas in the German column of this table which I believe would benefit from slight revision. The "LMG" section admits of a seeming discrepancy in Askey's work, which I believe arises from a misunderstanding of how to interpret his tables. In the referenced link to his work (http://operationbarbarossa.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/TOE-1st-Wave-Inf-Divs-1.pdf), the top row is noted as "H Rifle Sqd", with a total of 324. Each of these squads in fact is based around a single LMG. When added to that the separate LMG row that contains 75 total (found in the A/T btn, artillery regiment, and various other places), and adding in 1 LMG for each Eng Sqd (which his table does erroneously inflate by 9, there being instead 9 total in the 3 infantry regiments plus 27 total in the engineering battalion, for a total of 36), we then arrive at a total of 435, which matches exactly his total found on Page 4 of this other document from his site (http://www.operationbarbarossa.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Ger-1st-Wave-Inf-Divs.pdf).

This is further corroborated by examining the KStN (a German pictographic equivalent to the equipment portion of a TO&E) for a 1st Wave infantry division found on Leo Niehorster's excellent site (http://www.niehorster.org/011_germany/41_organ_army/41_id_01-welle.html), which shows 437 total, the difference being due to the fact that Neihorster's KStN lists out the 2 LMG's found on the armored cars of the reconnaissance battalion, whereas Askey's instead lists the armored cars separately.

In addition to this, the AFV total for the German divisions should probably be reduced from 16 to 2, the 14 halftracks which make up the difference being unarmored prime movers rather than actual armored fighting vehicles.

I'll leave this open for comments for the moment without yet making the change. Russ3Z (talk) 16:04, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Done. This article needs fixed in multiple departments but that's a big job at the moment. The Pittsburgher (talk) 15:03, 30 May 2020 (UTC)