Talk:Kanye West/Archive 9

Controversies / Politics
some potential new content for article:
 * In October 2018, West met with President Donald Trump and Jim Brown in Washington, DC at the White House and shared a lunch meal with them. During the meeting in the Oval Office West hugged Trump and stated, "if he don’t look good, we don’t look good, This is our president! He has to be the freshest, the fly-est, the fly-est planes, the best factories."


 * CNN Segment Calls Kanye 'Token Negro', 'Attention Whore', and 'What Happens When Negroes Don't Read'   CNN allowed this kind of language and [redacted] laughed!  Social media users were quick to call this segment what it is: racism. This occured the evening prior to the day West had a meeting with President Trump on 10/11/2018 in the Oval Office.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-11/kanye-s-lunch-with-trump-adidas-and-hydrogen-powered-planes

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2018/10/11/cnn-segment-calls-kanye-token-negro-attention-whore-and-what-happens-when-negroes-dont-read-n2527459

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/kanye-west-segment-on-cnn-labeled-racist-for-calling-singer-token-negro-of-the-trump-administration

~ Bought the farm (talk) 16:35, 11 October 2018 (UTC)


 * highly covered by media, 'Token Negro', 'Attention Whore', and 'What Happens When Negroes Don't Read'  - if that's the standard on Wikipedia.. ~ Bought the farm (talk) 02:05, 12 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Bought the farm, "if that's the standard on Wikipedia"--what on earth do you mean? What is the antecedent for "that"? And I'm sure you noticed I redacted a BLP violation. Drmies (talk) 02:44, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Drmies, Thanx for that!!! I recently posted on the Brett Kavanaugh BLP wiki and the justification [by others] for inclusion of certain content was being justified, and argued/accepted, just for being mainstream broadcast media coverage by "RS". ~ Bought the farm (talk) 03:09, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Lead
The lead seems a little too long maybe the big second paragraph belongs later in the article such as early life, and discography. Also it sounds a little bit too promotional maybe its best if you just state accolades, no need to compare to other artists, or make such a big deal out of them, it makes the article feel weighted. (i wouldnt do it myself, dont want to start some kind of edit war, and also due to LOI) thanks, DANIELTHEDON (talk) 14:30, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Republican
change ((Republican)) to ((Republican Party (United States)|Republican))
 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done Izno (talk) 18:41, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 December 2018
"interview on September" = "interview in September" 2605:E000:9149:8300:5C27:D5D5:A56A:715B (talk) 03:24, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ Thank you.   Calidum   03:27, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Kanye West Oval Office Visit.
Should we include information about his visit with the President? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arwhite5 (talk • contribs) 22:19, 6 December 2018 (UTC)


 * It's already there. See Kanye_West. Please sign all of your edits on any Talk page.  General Ization Talk  22:21, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Lead image update
Can we update the lead image to something more recent? It's now 10 years old and West is over 40, so it deserves an update. BeatlesLedTV (talk) 20:19, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅ Replaced with a picture of West in 2013, which is only 6 years old. --Kyle Peake (talk) 22:13, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Reverted by an editor here, and by me here. For previous discussion on the matter, see Talk:Kanye West/Archive 4. And for a similar matter, see Talk:Scarlett Johansson/Archive 6. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 11:02, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Should someone upload a recent image of West to Wiki for usage on the article? --Kyle Peake (talk) 14:51, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Kyle Peake, I don't think there are any recent images of West that have a suitable copyright license, but if there is a recent image of West that shows his face clearly, is good enough for a GA class article and has a suitable copyright license, then sure. Vistadan 22:15, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
 * The one in 2011 should be used — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheRealCanadian71 (talk • contribs)
 * I would like to use a newer image, but we need something where you can clearly see his face. StaticVapor message me!   22:01, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 March 2019
Add in 2017-present On January 6, 2019, West started his weekly "Sunday Service" orchestration which includes soul variations of both West's and others' songs attended by multiple celebrities including the Kardashians, Charlie Wilson, Kid Cudi, and more. Seany2 (talk) 23:19, 28 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done with minor adjustments. Thanks for contributing to Wikipedia! —  Newslinger  talk   08:41, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

WikiProject
I have created a WikiProject for West, but I am inexperienced with projects and not too sure on how to improve it. Could some of the editors on this page become members to help out by any chance? --Kyle Peake (talk) 18:31, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Mental Health
However, in an extensive interview with Vogue in April 2019, Kanye's wife Kim Kardashian West revealed that Kanye re-accepted his Bipolar Disorder diagnosis after consulting with numerous doctors. But also stated that he does not take his prescribed medication because it inhibits his creativity. Thesnowballer (talk) 21:12, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 July 2019
Cruel summer needs to be added to kanyes list of collaborations. 72.221.108.158 (talk) 02:41, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Cruel Summer is listed under Compilation albums. NiciVampireHeart 09:46, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

Common
change ((Common)) to ((Common (rapper)|Common))


 * ✅ – Vistadan 17:15, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

Stylistic changes
LupEnd007, regarding this and this, you are not just adding sourced material. You are making stylistic changes that I and others have objected to. You can add sourced material without making stylistic changes. I do not agree with all of your stylistic changes. Every few months or so, you keep coming back to make changes to the lead or lower article without discussion and are sometimes intermittently reverted (unless I reverted you soon after your changes). Coming back every few months or so to make the same or similar stylistic changes is not going to make me or others agree with you. You should attempt to discuss, or just add sourced material without making all of those changes that you know are likely to be objected to. See what WP:CAUTIOUS and WP:CAREFUL state.

Pinging other watchers of this article for their thoughts on your changes: STATicVapor, Gentlecollapse6 and Vistadan, any thoughts on LupEnd007's stylistic changes? Do you agree with all of them? Are you indifferent to them? Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 21:03, 24 August 2019 (UTC) Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 21:18, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

Adding 'Kon the Louis Vuitton Don' as an alternative name
Based on the name of Kanye's mixtape, as well as naming himself 'Kon the Louis Vuitton Don' on "Better Than Yours" on said mixtape, as well as on "Last Call", the final track on "The College Dropout", I suggest adding this nickname to the list containing Ye and Yeezy. TunaCrunch (talk) 08:13, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

Citations Needed
"West is among the most critically acclaimed musicians of the 21st century." needs a citation. It seems to be hyperbole and self promotion. It is disappointing to see that this is flagged as a "good article" and semi-locked. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.154.17.162 (talk) 17:57, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Yes, absolutely right. "Among the most critically acclaimed musicians..." is pure bull$shit.

"Black Bruce Wayne" listed at Redirects for discussion
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Semi-protected edit request on 1 May 2020
Mentions of Rick Rubin in "2013–15: Yeezus and Adidas collaboration" need to be linked to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Rubin. Rootoflinux (talk) 20:39, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done Aasim 21:08, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 June 2020
He’s 43 now 108.77.4.94 (talk) 05:18, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. TheImaCow (talk) 05:58, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Excessive information?
I note that this article (~16k words) has a higher word-count than the articles on Cardiovascular disease (~5k words) and Cancer (10k words) combined. While word-count is certainly not a direct measure of the importance of the subject of an article, it still feels excessive given that cancer and heart disease are incredibly complex diseases under extensive study which kill about half of all humans, while West is a single human. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.225.38.212 (talk • contribs) 18:50, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Note that this user has since been blocked. However just as a general point I would argue that most information on a person is contained in a single article whereas articles on disease can and do branch out into many large sub-areas of those diseases meaning that this logic seems poor. Jclaxp (talk) 19:46, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

And how does this article merit semi-protected status??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.185.130.109 (talk) 01:22, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Note your other comment has been removed. BLP also applies to talk pages. See Talk page guidelines. Jclaxp (talk) 19:46, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Ye name
Hi, originally removed this paragraph from the article: "In September 2018, West announced on Twitter that being "formally [sic] known as Kanye West," he was now "YE." He had been using that name for some time as a nickname and as an album title."

I thought Kanye went by this name everywhere however I've since found out that's not the case, So my question is does this paragraph need to be here at all ?,

Thanks, – Davey 2010 Talk 20:47, 17 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks for posting this. If we do want to keep a sentence about the name Ye, it certainly doesn't deserve its own section like it has now. Personally I haven't seen reliable sources use that name at all, and the only coverage of it was immediately surrounding the announcement and album release.  B zw ee bl  (talk • contribs) 21:00, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
 * No worries User:Bzweebl, I've gone ahead and self-reverted my undo as I do agree a whole section just isn't needed, FWIW he also goes by "privatekanye" on Instagram but I don't see a section or a care in the world for that, I apologise for reverting, Happy editing, Thanks, – Davey 2010 Talk 21:25, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Just to add to this conversation. My understanding is that Ye is a common nickname he uses now, used to a high degree with kanye still being what he normally goes by. I can't think of any videos right now but I've definitely heard him discuss it before. A little more information is available here: Ye (album) Jclaxp (talk) 19:46, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Official website
I just wanted to add a comment in relation to your removal of the official website from the external links. It currently only contains YZY and a blue world blue but I would contend that its important because it constantly changes depending upon new releases and new things going on. The current blue world is for the previous Jesus is King and Jesus is Born music, and will change possibly with links to music/tours etc when new music is announced. It now, possibly since you checking, contains a link to his new announcement on 'yeezy Gap'. I would suggest keeping the website. Also try checking how often it changes and how much it changes here: https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://www.kanyewest.com/
 * Hi, Having looked through the archives this, this, this and this - The 2+3 diffs could be argued as being helpful but the other 2 and the live version are all hopelessly useless so therefore I don't see a reason to include it - All Albums and even singles are no doubt advertising across all of this social medias therefore making his official website redundant,
 * Looking at his archives most if not all versions are blank, are a video, are tour dates and are one vynal with his work on it.
 * As I said in short I'm not seeing a reason to include it if it generally only contains a video or like here "YZY" with a blue globe. Thanks. – Davey 2010 Talk 12:10, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Just out of question, why did you removed my signature from the previous comment? I would disagree that most things are advertised across social media as he doesn't use Instagram (usually Kim puts stuff up for him), and very rarely uses twitter anymore. Things tend to be extremely minimalistic when it comes to how he markets himself online, hence the website being so simple. My understanding from the fans is that small changes on the website usually indicate large things happening. See here for an example. But I think from the general public's point of view your angle on things would make the most sense, so I'm happy to agree with your changes. Jclaxp   talk  12:27, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Kanye West to have a 2020 album Donda
https://www.forbes.com/sites/bryanrolli/2020/07/18/kanye-west-announces-new-album-donda/#1ebf98ed1523

There are reports that Kanye West is about to promote an album called Donda. But that is coming into play when he is going to be on the ballot in Oklahoma and South Carolina.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/18/kanye-west-petition-south-carolina-ballot-2020

https://kfor.com/your-local-election-hq/kanye-west-qualifies-for-oklahoma-general-election-ballot-running-as-independent-presidential-candidate/

73.71.164.202 (talk) 00:51, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Presidential campaign material in the lead
Regarding this, this and this? JFG, besides the fact that the lead should typically be no longer than four paragraphs, per WP:Lead, I do not see why this presidential campaign material should be in the lead. It's WP:Recentism. And as I state this, there is debate at Articles for deletion/Kanye West 2020 presidential campaign about whether or not a Kanye West 2020 presidential campaign article should even exist.

I'll alert the WP:BLP noticeboard to this matter for wider input. Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 01:10, 19 July 2020 (UTC)


 * From BLPN, the presidental run is not sufficiently notable for the lede as it came and went faster than most typical candidates. He's not going to be remembered for that at this point, and thus should be omitted from the lede. --M asem (t) 02:46, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
 * MOS:LEADREL and WP:RECENT. It's a relatively trivial incident in his life at this point. If it continues to get coverage leading up to the election it might be DUE for the lead at some point. —DIYeditor (talk) 16:56, 21 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Kanye West just got called out for a rant about Harriet Tubman on the Campaign Trail. 73.71.164.202 (talk) 03:05, 20 July 2020 (UTC)


 * West has suggested he will run in 2024 and he's accessing ballots for 2020 despite his late entry. If he's going to be a political figure over the next few years then I think adding his political activity to the lead is warranted. JJARichardson (talk) 13:47, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I would say not just yet; it's not a significant part of what he's notable for yet, and he seems to already be moving on to other stuff. In terms of his future activity, WP:NOTCRYSTAL applies. --Aquillion (talk) 00:28, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
 * This should not be in the lead per WP:RECENTISM. As his wife's statement makes clear, this is part of his bipolar disorder. It's a sensitive BLP issues. And who knows if he'll still be "running" when the manic episode ends? – Muboshgu (talk) 00:37, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
 * That may be true, but I would suggest it is not for us to judge West's motives. The mental fitness of Trump and Biden is often challenged by their opponents. West could win a small percentage of the vote but still be the most successful independent presidential candidate since Ross Perot. JJARichardson (talk) 13:36, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , "could" = WP:CRYSTAL. Let him get 10%-15% of the popular vote and we can reconsider. And questions of Trump and Biden's "fitness" is apples and oranges when that is mostly political attacks by opponents, while KKW is putting out a statement that asks for compassion because of the manic episode that is influencing Kanye's behavior. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:43, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
 * If West soon drops out then I agree lead inclusion would be unnecessary, but if he received just 4% of the vote - slightly ahead of Gary Johnson in 2016 - he would be the most successful third party candidate since 1996. But I agree we should give it some time and see if West carries on seeking ballot access. JJARichardson (talk) 16:44, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Kanye west Net worth
On April 24, 2020, Forbes declared Kanye west a billionaire worth $1.3 billion. Forbes is the best source to know if one is a billionaire and they have declared him a billionaire. He is the second hip hop billionaire and he is also listed on the richest black billionaires on Wikipedia. I don't think it is controversial to state net worth on a biography especially when the net worth of hip hop artists like Jay, Sean Combs, Dr. Dre are stated and Kanye west is not. Forbes is known for ranking billionaires and is used often here as a source to rank billionaires. I also notice that his wife (Kim Kardashian) was recently updated to $900 million which was declared by Forbes last month but Kanye West's net worth is not. AnaghaIyanre (talk) 15:43, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Dear :
 * Hi!
 * You make good arguments for relying on Forbes; but there are also good arguments for not relying on Forbes. This matter was already discussed in detail two months ago. In practice, there's no consensus for including West's net worth in the infobox; please see Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard/Archive308.
 * Have you already read through that entire discussion from two months ago?
 * Kind regards, —Unforgettableid (talk) 01:20, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Have you already read through that entire discussion from two months ago?
 * Kind regards, —Unforgettableid (talk) 01:20, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Kind regards, —Unforgettableid (talk) 01:20, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Kind regards, —Unforgettableid (talk) 01:20, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 August 2020
change x Trust, ppl understand almost every artist though out time has lifted ideas from greater artist then themselves, to use an idea with enhancement to their style. Im intrigued by the petty thievery committed, with an out come of such high regard. Explaining this action through forced use of the English language. Spellbinding. to y 68.114.122.4 (talk) 02:45, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ◢  Ganbaruby!   (Say hi!) 03:20, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Size of the article and tagging it as "very long"
Unforgettableid, regarding this, this, this and this? In what way do you feel that the article has a WP:SIZE issue? You must explain and gain WP:Consensus for the matter. Simply engaging in WP:Drive-by tagging does not mean that your tags get to stay. It looks like you weren't even sure about the tag when adding it. You clearly stated, "Article is probably far too long; I guess it should be condensed more, using summary style." Furthermore, WP:SIZERULE is clear that it's a guideline and states things like "probably." So it was wrong of you to edit war over re-adding this tag and then giving JJARichardson this warning. Yes, JJARichardson challenged your drive-by tagging. He did not deserve that warning for doing so, especially since you did not start a talk page discussion explaining/justifying the tag. At least going by this, it seems that you are aware that WP:SIZE is mainly about readable prose, not the things (like references) that make an article seem longer than it is. Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 19:59, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Dear :
 * Thank you for the constructive criticism; I've used strikeout to cover up the warning I put on JJARichardson's talk page.
 * The article's XTools analysis states that the article is at ~98 kB of readable prose, which means that it's almost surely too long.
 * I think the article may even be too long on desktop, and especially so on mobile. This makes it a bit of a slog to read, and hard for Wikipedians to keep copyedited.
 * I've put a bit of time into copyediting and shortening the Kanye West section; it's still too long and a bit boring. I think it could use some trimming, but am open to hear other people's views.
 * I wonder what else might benefit from being split off.
 * Kanye has many interests (e.g. music, fashion, presidential candidacy), so it might be tricky to decide what to keep in the main article and what belongs in sub-articles.
 * Flyer22, XTools states that you're one of the most active editors on Kanye's article; please do let us all know what you think.
 * Kind regards, —Unforgettableid (talk) 11:39, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll get back to you on this. Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 00:20, 31 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Unforgettableid, I don't see a serious issue. I don't see any need for more spin-off articles in this case. Of course, you can trim some sections. The trimming should obviously be done carefully, as to not omit important detail. You can propose here certain sections you think should be trimmed and how, and the matter can be taken on one section at a time. Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 20:47, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Just adding my thoughts. I would agree that the article could be carefully trimmed, mainly to remove some redundancy and make it easier to read. But we definitely should not be removing useful information or important detail. This is generally a very well written article which is well organised. I would suggest it's long because there is so many differing areas to cover. Jclaxp   talk  21:06, 4 August 2020 (UTC)


 * I see that Unforgettableid tagged the Achievements section as too long. Since it has its own article, some material in that section can be safely trimmed. The section should adhere to WP:Summary style. Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 02:53, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

New bold edits
I made some new bold edits to Kanye West's page that detail the folks who work intimately with West and make his career possible. I believe their involvement is very relevant to West's biography. Especially with a celebrity or politician where those closest to them (such as a President's cabinet or internal team) are routinely obsessed over. However I wanted to open this up to further discussion and a wider variety of opinions. Should my edits remain intact? Wikipro43245 (talk) 22:15, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , they seem to be related to DONDA, which has its own page, and not Kanye directly. There is no benefit to naming here in the way that you did. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:21, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hey Muboshgu (talk) I have to respectfully disagree. These individuals are indeed related to Kanye West directly. It has been widely reported in the press that DONDA is essentially a nickname for West's internal team, not an independent organization or registered company. It's just a name he used to refer to his closest confidantes and entourage. Kind of like how Elvis Presley had the Memphis Mafia. Members of that group are listed on Elvis' primary Wikipedia article, as well as the Memphis Mafia article. Wikipro43245 (talk) 22:30, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * So here's the thing: as editors, we're guided by our "core content policies"—verifiability, neutral point of view, and no original research. All together, they say that we need to fairly and accurately summarize what reliable sources say without adding our own interpretations or original research. You're correct that the People source does mention Ivanka Trump—I was looking at the wrong source earlier—but the point of that article is West meeting with Donald Trump. Donald is mentioned throughout the article while Ivanka is mentioned only once in the text (plus in a caption), so including her isn't a neutral summary. We also can't litter the article with sources that mention West and someone else to prove that they're close or that they co-founded DONDA. That's synthesis, combining sources to make a claim that the sources don't actually make. Sources need to clearly and unambiguously make that claim on their own. If, as you say, it's widely reported that DONDA is made up of West's entourage, then we need reliable sources to say exactly that, and they need to do so in a way that makes it relevant to West's biographical article rather than one on DONDA. Woodroar (talk) 22:56, 9 August 2020 (UTC) Addendum: I've also removed claims from our article on DONDA because none of the sources claim that these people founded DONDA. Some of them don't even mention DONDA at all. Woodroar (talk) 00:04, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * With respect to the DONDA article, I posted a source for each individual name on the list. This is now the second time you've inaccurately refuted my sources - the first being your claim that a People magazine story didn't mention Ivanka Trump, when there is clearly a large photo of her, Kanye West, and Donald Trump meeting together at the very top of People's story. In this instance, each source either directly mentions the individual's involvement with DONDA, or mentions their involvement in a major DONDA project. Therefore I'm going to go ahead and revert your edit on the DONDA page since your claims with respect to this matter are not factually accurate. And members of DONDA are highly relevant to the DONDA article. I would caution you against continuing to make snap judgements on sources, without proper diligence.


 * Separately, although the People magazine story may only mention Ivanka once, there is a wide variety of reputable news sources that covered that meeting and mentioned Ivanka Trump's presence numerous time. As an encyclopedia is a record of history, I find it highly relevant that Ivanka Trump was present in a meeting with Kanye West and the President. It is indeed a neutral summary as she was actually there. I'm not promoting Ivanka Trump's involvement. On the contrary, given Kanye's controversial relationship with the President, some may see Ivanka's presence as a negative. It's just factual that she was in the room - for better or worse. I'm not going to revert this yet but I hope others chime in with their opinions and we can build consensus here.


 * With respect to adding West's entourage members to the primary Kanye West article, I will pull reliable and relevant sources as you've requested and add them in. I would again reiterate this is no different than Elvis Presley's article and I will create a draft following a similar format.


 * Wikipro43245 (talk) 00:54, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * That "some may see Ivanka's presence as a negative" is part of the problem. We have to take care when writing about living persons on Wikipedia, and claims that are unsourced or poorly sourced or don't directly support claims in the article should be removed immediately—especially when they could be seen as negative or controversial. We don't put them back and try to find sources later or say that the sources are out there. Ultimately, it's up to the editor who want to add or restore content about living persons to ensure that it meets our policies and to build a consensus for including it. See WP:BLP, especially WP:BLPREQUESTRESTORE. Wikipedia has a lot of rules, but we have even more rules when it comes to claims about living persons. I've left a message on your Talk page about that. Woodroar (talk) 01:29, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Woodroar (talk) you're engaging in an absurd exercise of mental gymnastics. Ivanka Trump met with Kanye West alongside the President. Maybe you're happy she did, maybe you're not. It's irrelevant. We can't change history because someone might be upset about it. With respect to neutrality, she was factually present for a noteworthy event. There are perhaps dozens of news articles affirming Ivanka's presence. I'm going to add her back to the article with a variety of new sources. If any other editors object, please post here and I am happy to pull the edit so it can be discussed further. Wikipro43245 (talk) 01:46, 10 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Having taken this matter to the WP:BLP noticeboard, I agree with others that we should exclude this material from this article. Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 00:04, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Vice President
Twice now I've removed mention of West's nomination for VP sourced to ballotaccess.org. While Richard Winger is a recognized expert, he also publishes the site, making it a self-published source which is not appropriate for claims about living persons. I looked for but could not find any reliable sources covering this, which also makes it WP:UNDUE. Of course, I have no objects to adding it back if reliable sources show up. Woodroar (talk) 13:55, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I removed Wikilink of Michelle Tidball's name which only takes readers to his campaign article, rather than to a nonexistent article about her. There is no information about her in the campiagn article. It appears to have no other purpose than to be promotional. It may have been placed by a COI editor. Activist (talk) 08:17, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Should there be a Wikipedia article about West interrupting Taylor Swift at the 2009 MTV Video Music Awards, or a West and Swift feud article?
Opinions are needed on the following matter: Talk:2009 MTV Video Music Awards. Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 23:42, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

outdated
artistry section mentioning will smith and jadakiss is a little outdated and has an unprofessional feel to it — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.124.84.138 (talk) 23:31, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Biased claim
"and has not denied that he would be a spoiler candidate in the presidential election" This is a biased view that entails that Kanye is running in order to 'split the vote', which is predicated on the dominance of the two-party system and the idea that his political ambitions are a stunt. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.124.84.138 (talk) 17:33, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing this part out; I've removed it as completely unnecessary and that does indeed perpetuate a stance favoring the two-party system. SNUGGUMS (talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 18:56, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 November 2020
Kanye's step father is the well known bartender Derrick A Tucker. Mr.Tucker married Kanye's mom 11/4/2020 in a bar in Texas Tuckerderrick (talk) 14:10, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate.  JTP (talk • contribs) 16:18, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 November 2020 (2)
I would like to edit the page of Kayne west because it does not include his height which is meaningful to some people and I feel should be on the page. I would add it to this section Born	Kanye Omari West June 8, 1977 (age 43) Atlanta, Georgia, U.S. Other names YeezyYe Occupation Rappersongwriterrecord producerfashion designer Years active	1996–present Organization	DONDA Political party Independent (Birthday Party)Republican[1] Spouse(s)	Kim Kardashian ​(m. 2014)​ Children	4 Awards	Full list Musical career Origin	Chicago, Illinois, U.S. Genres Hip hopart pop[2]experimental Instruments Vocalssamplerkeyboardsdrum machine Labels GOODRoc-A-FellaDef Jam Associated acts Child Rebel SoldierKids See GhostsSunday Service ChoirBig SeanCommonConsequenceJay-ZJohn LegendMike DeanNo I.D.Pusha TTravis ScottTy Dolla Sign Hairbrushlicker (talk) 19:48, 6 November 2020 (UTC)


 * First and foremost, you haven't provided any citations for his height, and I'm not sure any credible ones mention it for him. Secondly, it's very minor for Kanye compared to things like his music career, relationship with Kim Kardashian, or even running in the 2020 election (which many didn't take seriously), so I'm not convinced it's worth mentioning how tall he is within the article. It would be a different story for athletes and models, where height and weight are defining characteristics that get lots of attention. <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 19:52, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Article delisted after barely any commentary from others
Like I stated here, " Buidhe, where is the consensus for delisting this article? Because I'm not seeing it. What we have above is criticism by one editor and two comments by two others that don't state, "Yeah, delist." So this might as well have not even been a community review. I'm thinking of taking this to WP:Close review." Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 23:36, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 23 February 2021
Wasd2638 (talk) 01:56, 23 February 2021 (UTC) Kanye Omari West is an American rapper, singer, record producer, and fashion designer.
 * ❌. Not really known for singing; first sentence should be concise. ◢ <i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i>  (Say hi!) 08:10, 23 February 2021 (UTC)