Talk:Kaoru Kobayashi (murderer)

Executed or Not?
this is not clear in the article if he was executed or not. would someone please include that in the first paragraph. 202.142.190.245 (talk) 13:15, 14 November 2008 (UTC)


 * He was sentenced to death, and indeed requested and desired the sentence, but has not been executed yet.74.227.63.107 (talk) 09:16, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Rename?
Should this article be moved to a more intuitive name? At the very least, maybe the victim's and convicted's names should probably redirect here. Neier 11:57, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I thought the same thing - the article is about the killer, not the victim. Alvis (talk) 05:49, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Requested move
Murder of Kaede Ariyama → Kaoru Kobayashi — The article is written about not the victim but the killer. —ACSE (talk) 23:03, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

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 * Support - as the article is primarily about the killer, Kaoru Kobayashi. --DAJF (talk) 12:17, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Discussion

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Blatant Misrepresntation
Who in the WORLD added the section of this sentence in parentheses?

"Several Japanese mass media suspected that the crime was committed by a Figure moe zoku (a stereotypical recluse who dreams of committing sex crimes)."

This is incredibly untrue. Someone with a huge bias must have added the last part. I'm fixing it now. God, the article for "figure moe zoku" even defines them, and NOT as sick freaks that dream about rape. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.147.228.234 (talk) 19:22, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Deleted?
I don't know who put this up for deletion, but I don't see any real reason for it. It does not meet the criteria for speedy deletion, IMO. It just needs a bit of a re-write by someone who knows the case. KaylaraOwl (talk) 16:42, 3 April 2008 (UTC)KaylaraOwl

Otaku
Devoting entire two paragraphs to this whole Otaku controversy is ridiculous, and I've seen it repeated again and again in various articles about Japanese murderers. Clearly someone feels an urgent need to defend that subculture by preventively stating that this or that murderer was not Otaku in every article and talking about how the poor otaku have a hard time with the public. Look, nobody cares. The way those paragraphs are written suggests the author is probably non-native English speaker (I dare guess Japanese) and most likely an Otaku him/herself, since they don't even bother briefly explaining/providing an English equivalent for the term. This is an article about a brutal murder of a child, nobody cares about the ~stigma~ surrounding your hobbies. If the media/public keep associating you with psychos then maybe it's time for self-reflection and not fishing for sympathy. Maybe it's time to "collect your people", so to speak. You're not being victimised here. It's really sad that people - children mostly - have died and yet you feel the need to rush to the defence of your pastime which is completely irrelevant to anyone outside of Japan. In this article it is out of place and it's sickening. It's bad that you guys are stigmatised but uh, murder. Kind of a heavier case don't you think? We have a section named "effect on Otaku" here, but we don't have one for effect on the community or effect on the family, as in the people actually affected by the case. I find the inclusion of the Otaku controversy distasteful and unnecessary (in this and similar articles).--109.196.118.133 (talk) 20:09, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

name
The WP article should be on the Murder of Kaede Ariyama, a story which got huge media coverage in Japan at the time it happened, which currently redirects to here. I guess because the murderer served capital punishment, it entitles him to a WP bio, as WP convention goes, but I don't think that's right. One-off murderers should not be considered WP notable. Mayumashu (talk) 07:12, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Add link
Page about Kaoru 83.220.237.89 (talk) 05:44, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

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