Talk:Kappa Pi Kappa

Early deletion discussion
Kappa Kappa Kappa was proposed for deletion. This page has an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was consensus not reached, merged and redirected to clear off vfd

Kappa Kappa Kappa cap a kipper in a copper cap. (non-notable Darmouth silly Greek letter society) Dunc_Harris|&#9786; 18:33, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC) Geogre, there aren't fraternities at Notre Dame, so no fraternities could have local chapters there.--Samuel J. Howard 16:10, Aug 25, 2004 (UTC)
 * Send to clean up with instructions to remove all Dartmouth bias. National fraternities and sororities can have entries.  The world does exist outside of Dartmouth, despite what some freshmen up there seem to be able to imagine. Geogre 18:48, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete: Not a national organization. Geogre 00:56, 28 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * "The fraternity is local to the college" suggests it isn't. Dunc_Harris|&#9786; 19:26, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete http://www.greekpages.com/ Confirms that it is a Dartmouth-only Greek organization, which means there's no national organization to write about. It's way too localized, even for Dartmouth - for the first time, I'm advocating deletion of a Dartmouth article. Kevyn 21:12, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC) Changed my mind. Merge and Redirect to Dartmouth College Greek organizations Kevyn 22:17, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Dunc, I've found them at Dartmouth and Notre Dame. I thought they were a national organization.  I still disagree with Kevyn, though, about having a Dartmouth College Greek organizations article.  At most a section in Dartmouth College for #student life.  Making the frats different from student life is a thing the frats like and the universities don't.  They're not better than or separate from any other intramural organization.  Geogre 01:11, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. --Elf-friend 19:47, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep and cleanup. It may be local to Dartmouth, but the unfortunate name collision with the Ku Klux Klan makes this organization interesting and therefore worth keeping. &bull; Benc &bull; 22:47, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep, or merge and redirect. -Sean Curtin 04:34, Aug 25, 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. Should be turned into a disambiguation page, though, to distingush the social fraternity from the Indiana-based Lions Club-type  sorority. Davodd 12:20, Aug 26, 2004 (UTC)

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A query

 * In "the brotherhood of Tri-Kap has remading a vote on the organization's leadership", what does "remading" mean? Anthony Appleyard (talk) 22:26, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Consensus building
I edit and maintain a number of WP fraternity articles. The May 2022 name change was noted in body text, as having been achieved after a period of "consensus building". But that simple summary cannot fully communicate the considerable skill that went into this decision and resultant unanimity. Bravo. Name changes for any fraternal group are difficult. This historic chapter pre-dates the Klan by 25 years as one of the oldest local chapters still existent. The very weight of history was an enormous counter-balance to the pressure to change, even considering today's acute social consciousness or fear of any taint of racism, (clearly unmerited here). Yes, there grew a chorus of societal goading that doubtless was a big factor, still, for any organization there would normally be hold-outs, complaining that it was unfair to be forced to change... But Kappa Kappa Kappa got the job done. Hat's off. It was the right decision. Jax MN (talk) 17:50, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Oldest local fraternity claim
Currently the source for the oldest local men's fraternity claim is mostly based on the table in Baird's Manual of Fraternities from 1905 which lists all the local societies and their founding date. The only three older fraternities than Kappa Pi Kappa were Eclectic at Wesleyan (1837), Lambda Iota at UVM (1836), and IKA at Trinity (1829). IKA merged with Delta Phi in 1917, Lambda Iota merged with Pi Kappa Phi recently, and The Eclectic is co-ed and no longer considers itself a fraternity.

I don't think anyone besides The Dartmouth has published the claim and so I think it would be hard to cite unless we consider The Dartmouth a source.

Kidblast (talk) 22:27, 22 June 2022 (UTC)


 * This is one of those things that is irrelevant to most readers, but of intense interest to some of the old-line Eastern fraternities, and to those who have crossed paths with one of these societies. Articles about Ivy League schools and their fraternities are often subject to bloat or puffery, but in this case, I don't doubt that Kappa Pi Kappa is the oldest surviving local.


 * BTW, I added Wikilinks to the three former locals you listed here, for the benefit of readers. As to its value as a reference, Baird's is a very, very good source.  A related source is the Baird's Archive online. If errors were found in earlier versions of the Manual, this information would be corrected in subsequent issues, or the online Archive.  Jax MN (talk) 06:40, 23 June 2022 (UTC)