Talk:Karachi/Archive 1

Suggestions
I have greatly expanded the page on Karachi, but I think it needs a lot more on the current state of the city including neighborhoods and such. I have never actually been to Karachi, and my knowledge is limited to what I have read. I think that someone with more knowledge could contribute a lot to this article.

DigiBullet 21:10, 13 Jan 2004 (UTC)
 * This is a wonderful resource. I'm from karachi and I think starting neighbourhood pages is a good idea. I'll try to contribute towards this article very soon. brb

Thigns to be added. I will work on this hopefully if I get time. Location, History, Contemporary situation, Government, Population, Airport, Transort, Sport, Culture - Music, Theatre, Art, Museums, Cuisine, Economy, Tourist Attractions, Geography, Climate, Demographics, Educational and Cultural institutions, probelms, Radio Stations, Telephone Numbers, Timeline.

Aalahazrat 22:30&#1548; 31 &#8207;Mar 2004 (UTC)

Images
Dear all contributors,

I have expanded the Karachi page alot. Added intro templet (which no other pak city has so far). I did not remove any existing pic (though replace one and put it in proper place).

User:M.Imran 17 Nov 2005 - Karachi.

Images : Cleanup required
Too many oversized images in the page. Too many images without captions. --DuKot 06:23, 1 August 2005 (UTC) I have reduced the size of some images. Somebody who is more familiar with the city should better organize the pics. Some of the pics could be removed. For example there are too many pictures in the transportation section. Most images dont have captions. --DuKot 06:30, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Picture removal
Image:Kimari flyovers.jpg and Image:Karachi at night.JPEG are both liscensed under a Creative Commons ShareAlike 1.0 License, which requires proper attribution to the author. Since neither does so, I have removed them from the article. Please feel free to add similar pictures to enhance this article. Also, if someone could provide more picture on the Jinnah picture; I'm inclined to say that the picture was published in India and thus it is released into Indian public domain. If someone could find the year it was originally published, it would be much appreciated. Pepsidrinka 20:59, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Frere Hall picture
There was already a picture of Frere Hall in the Karachi page and another one has been added by 213.121.151.190.

Siddiqui 16:31, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

I. I. Chundrigar Road Photo
We have to find a proper image of I I Chundrigar Road. All existing images are unacceptable to members. I have removed the existing image with long wall in front of distant skyline. It is better to have no image rather than unacceptable photo.

Siddiqui 02:50, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

hi i dont think that this artical is B class it should be A+ because of pics,history and especially the section on towns of city. (kk loach)

Nice page
I liked the page about this important place in Pakistan, a state on the western side of the Indian subcontinent. Thanks and regards. --Bhadani 16:56, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Needs cleanup
This page needs cleanup. For exaple, how can a cool ocean breeze be considered in the Problems section?


 * I changed كراچي to كراچى . For all the complaints, I have one positive point. This is the first Pakistani or Iranian page I haven't had to add minority religions like Zoroastrianism or Buddhism to. If notable tourist sites are added it is also worth noting there is a Fire Temple over 150 years old near Dr. Daudpota Road. Khirad 01:43, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Actually there is another one at Pakistan Chowk that most people are unaware of. [M. Saleem Khan]05:35. May 10 2007

Land Ownership
I am removing few lines and words from the section Landownership that seem un-necessary or BIASED view against the Govt. and people of Sindh. Aursani 13:51, 28 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I wrote that section. If you consider that some lines were biased then you should have pointed them out before removing them. That section was based on the report of Urban Resource Center.


 * Siddiqui 16:34, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

What about terrorism?
I'm writing on March 2, 2006 in the wake of the suicide bombing that killed the U.S. envoy to Karachi along with several of his staff. While I am certainly no expert on Pakistan, my impression is that Karachi has a conspicuous history of problems with terrorism, violent demonstrations, kidnappings and other negative effects of Islamic fundamentalism. My impression is that Karachi may be nearly as unsettled as the Pashtu ethnic regions around the Kyber Pass and other parts of the Afghan border.

Actually I visited this Wiki article in hopes of learning something about the social, ethnic, religious and political dynamics that make Karachi such a problematic city. I was very disappointed to find only a brief mention of terrorism and other forms of semi-organized violence, about half a sentence. Certainly anyone considering living and working in Karachi, or even just a short visit, needs a much more extensive briefing on Karachi's dangers, lest they "come home in a box".


 * reply: I agree with this person. Karachi has been badly hit by militancy since the mid 1980's, first by ethnic militia MQM and then by fundamentalists since 1995. it needs to be part of an article about Karachi, or a separate article about Militancy in Karachi. Its an ugly topic but relevant. Militancy has damaged karachi enormously.


 * However I dont believe Karachi is in the same class as the border areas. It is a huge city and the people have not let terrorism ruin it completely. The border areas are only now being brought under government control and violent anti-authority militants being tackled. On a final note, Pashtuns constitute a significant part of the Pakistani population, they are majority in FATA and NWFP and big part of Baluchistan and Pakistani cities. I am in fact a Pashtun who grew up in NWFP.


 * Reply 2: But there are thousands of foreigners still in the city, As a Karachiite i will say Avoid going to imam bargah mosques, staying at Marriott hotel because it is very near to American consulate, going to KFC restaurant outlet lol (the only outlet targeted 3 times) and to inform you there are no any violent demonstrations in the city uptil now and about kidnapping of US journalist Pearl so he is the only one. tell me how many in US kidnap daily.


 * Karachi is most multiethnic and multinational city of Pakistan. It has the distinction of being the largest Urdu speaking, Pashto speaking, Seraiki speaking and Balochi speaking city in the world. There are refugees from Afghanistan, Iran, Bangladesh, Myanmar, and various Arab countries. It is very difficult to control the inflow of people settling in Karachi. The government does not have resources or intelligence to keep tabs on all the groups. Many Karachiities consider the violence and terrorism in their city as part of a conspiracy.


 * Beyond military violence, Karachi's crime probably has as bad an effect on the city as the terrorism. If you were to expand on the violence in Karachi, it is integral that not all violence be labeled under Islamic fundamentalism.


 * Siddiqui 16:31, 19 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Reply to Siddiqui: The worthless conspiracy theories that Karachiites believe in neither explain why there is so much violence or how it can be stopped. Neither is that a satisfactory answer as to why there is so much violence.


 * Karachi is a mini Pakistan since it has millions of each ethnic group in Pakistan. There are also Iranians, Afghans, Arabs, Bengalis, Burmese, etc. Due to to its multiethnic nature Karachi is soft spot for violence and terrorism.
 * Siddiqui 22:05, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Port Fountain
Nice page, however I dont know if that really is the world's tallest fountain. Could whoever wrote that please cite/ reference that information? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.97.14.251 (talk • contribs)

Proposed merger with Karachi District
I oppose the merger and instead propose that the Karachi District article should become a redirect. There is some confusion I think about the whole districts and city-districts issue. Karachi City District is exactly the same entity as Karachi, Karachi City, Karachi District and the old Karachi Division. A reader might get the impression that Karachi City and Karachi District are two separate entities. This can be cleared up by adopting a standard approach to the districts of Pakistan. The city-districts should have the main articles at the proper city name and all the other variations in the name should redirect to the city name. Karachi City District, Karachi City, Karachi District, District of Karachi should all redirect readers to Karachi. The same should apply to Lahore, Islamabad, Quetta, Peshawar etc. In the case of ordinary districts, the main article should be at Foo District and not Foo, because for example Bahawalpur is the city, which forms only part of Bahawalpur District. I hope that makes sense and nobody objects to the changes. Green Giant 23:31, 20 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I oppose the merger or redirect. Karachi District should be left as separate page. --Spasage 05:42, 21 April 2006 (UTC)


 * What is the purpose of having two separate articles that are talking about the same thing? Everything that can be said about the district can be included in the article on the city. It's like having separate articles for the city of Paris and Paris as a département when they are the same thing. This also prevents content forking. Polaron 05:50, 21 April 2006 (UTC)


 * IMO all districts should have their own article. Even if it is very short. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 12:16, 5 May 2006 (UTC)


 * At the United States articles, if the city and county are coextensive, they use the same article. Example: San Francisco County, California and Orleans Parish, Louisiana redirect to San Francisco and New Orleans, respectively. If Karachi and Karachi District are indeed perfectly coextensive, then they should probably be in the same article. An exception might exist in the case of Mexico City and Mexican Federal District, but the combination of the two is a rather recent event, and the district page is not a stub, unlike the Karachi District page. However, it does put a kink in my comment. :P --Golbez 19:29, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
 * However, Karachi District states: "It is largely conterminous with Pakistan's largest city, Karachi." If it is not exactly the same, then no, the two should NOT be merged. Only identical districts should be in the same article.
 * Likewise, only districts which share a government should be in the same article. So, back to the US example, if Orleans Parish had its own government independent of New Orleans, then they should be different articles. (A good example of this is Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania - the county still retains some government duties, even though the city and county are coterminous. Also, the county had a long history separate from the city, unlike SF county, Orleans parish, and most likely, Karachi district. And, finally, the state recognizes the county as being separate from the city; I don't know if Pakistan or Sindh recognize Karachi distrct as being a separate entity from the city) --Golbez 19:29, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

I have not been able to find any indication that the city and district are not coextensive. From looking at the official Karachi website, the district and city governments are also merged. Also, all the information in Karachi District is now in Karachi. I am going to redirect the Karachi District page to Karachi. If someone has any sources that the two entities are not identical, then please share them. Polaron | Talk 14:53, 23 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Karachi district and Karachi are identical. There is no need for seperate pages. KO 08:05, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Given that "Karachi District" is to (and for) all extents and purposes the same as Karachi, I don't think that there's any need for redundancy--if anything, a redirect would seem to me to be sufficient. There's really no particular reason for the articles to exist separately given that the information contained within KD could easily be summarised in a slightly more detailed Karachi article with some strict editing.

Some comments
Hi! May I recommend some modifications so that the article gets to a stage of peer review, and also FAC: These are my observations. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 20:32, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) Combine "Art and literature" with "Culture and lifestyle". Culture should encompas art and literature as well. Also neither of the 2 sections are large.
 * 2) Instead of "Educational institutions", have a section called "Education" in which both the educational patterns followed in the city and notable institutions may be discussed.
 * 3) It is better to remove the list material from "Sites of interest". It is even better to remove the section. Please try to incorporate major sites of interest in other sections. However, if you want the section to be there, please try to make it in paragraph format rather than list format. A daughter article may be created if necessary.
 * 4) Shopping subsection really does not need to be a seperate subsection. Major points may be discussed in, say, culture.
 * 5) Sections "Problems" and "Land ownership" better be removed. The contents may be incorporated within "Government" or a new section "Civiv administration".
 * 6) A "Karachi-related topics" in "See also" section would be very nice.


 * Good ideas Dwaipayanc, I have made a start on some of them such as Education. I am in favour of cutting down the Sites of Interest and then moving them to relevant sections. Green Giant 23:08, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

I'll remove other channel names too
If you remove names of Sindhi channels from the page, I'll remove names of other channels as well. Refrain from Vandalism. Aursani 17:03, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Kindly refrain from prejudice
What gives, i am a Karachite also.. but mention on Sindhi channels??... come on, refrain from bigotry, i mean Pakistan as nation is one... no need to seperate sindhis, punjabis and others.. Iquadri

To be fair, I don't think we should mention anything other than the two or three largest channels. If you look through this article, there is still a tendency to make long lists of things (universities, sites of interest, and now TV channels). Mercifully, there is no list of famous Karachiites. I will look into this matter at the weekend to see if there is any reason to keep most of the long lists. Green Giant 23:47, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

What, no listing of famous Karachi residents?!?!? The horror! ;) I agree with you--I would only keep the major "network"-status TV channels, such as Geo, ARY etc.  I also think that the "sites of interest" section needs to either be spun off into a separate article or maybe limited to a dozen or so places.

Improvements
I've made several changes and additions, mainly to the images, captions, and their layout. Hope this improves the appearance and impact of the page. Please supply any missing copyright info on the pictures, as I could not locate some of it.

It might be useful to add some pictures of major proposed landmarks, such as the Port Tower. Please add, if anyone has an appropriate picture (the ones I've seen are poor quality), so that Karachi's resurgent dynamism and modern face can be better conveyed to balance its traditional heritage which is already well-covered.

Thanks,

PakBoy

Population
Karachi's population is well over 14 million. Any reasonable estimate that DOES NOT BIAS ITSELF WITH 98 CENSUS FIGURES, shows Karachi around the 14-16 million mark. I think we should use the Karachi City government's statistics .. they are the most accurate. In 1998 the population was WELL OVER 9.3 million ... the census did not take into consideration about a million afghan refugees (and other non-pakistanis) living in the city ... it assumed a unreasonably high response rate for Karachi. Whether this was done intentionally or not is a different issue ... but any reputed independent statistics will tell you that the 98 cencus figures are completely flawed. DO NOT USE THEM TO EXTRAPOLATE.

The article lists the population as 11,969,284, which is off by a few million. Various estimates range from 14-16.5 million. The [http://www.karachicity.gov.pk/ City Govt. of Karachi] estimates the population at over 14 million. Figures listed in magazines on international repute - Time, Newsweek and the Economist are also well over 14 million. Th. Brinkhoff: The Principal Agglomerations of the World lists the population at 14.3 million. KO

About 12 million is the most frequently cited number for Karachi's population. Given the 1998 census figure of 9.3M, it is hard to see how the population could have reached 15M today. Could the 14.3M vs. 12M be a case of "city population" versus "metropolitan population"? --Aqeel


 * Simple mathematics. The population of Karachi is increasing faster than the rest of the country due to a number of factors. I've made two tables below, one with the growth rates based on a population of 9.3 million in 98, and the other at 9.8 million.

The second table is more accurate, as the 1998 census put Karachi's population at 9.8, with a average growth rate of 5%:

Delisted Article from Good Articles list
This article does not belong on the GA list. Some problems:


 * 1) Deviates from Wikipedia's policy of NPOV.
 * 2) Factual Errors
 * 3) Unnecessary facts

Karachi City and Karachi towns (Division) are distinct entities logically. If these articles will be merged together it ll be quite difficult for reader to separe information about each article. Thereore, no need to merge these articles.


 * The article's too long as well. It could benefit from some serious editing. Mohsin.Siddiqui 09:02, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Removed text
I have removed some unnecessary information from the problem's section. I find this sentence not important while looking in context of the other problems the city is facing such as power outages and water shortages. Thank you. Advil 07:02, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

added some good info
hey guys i added some info about the tree clearing and its restoration i hope thats a good one and doesnt get rejected. personal opinion: finally they consider nature. lol Birdeditor 01:31, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

I have some questions?
Some weeks ago I added some info on the uprooting of trees in Karachi and the Greener Karachi campaign in the Problems section. Why was it removed? And by the way I wonder why no one has focused on the topic of pollution in the Problems section. I am adding some more info right now please don't remove it unless you have a reason (and don't forget to post it up here) Thanks. Birdeditor 16:42, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Once again do not remove info without informing!
I see that user User:DiegoTehMexican has removed some of my information without posting it up here or in my user talk. Hope that doesn't repeat, thanks people for your cooperation. 208.65.242.85 23:49, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Information sources
here i am listing the sources i got my information from.

for the info on air pollution and air quality i got it from www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/pakenv.html

i got the info on the tree-planting campaign from the local Dawn newspaper (i m sure it can be reached on the internet on www.dawn.com, but currently it is hard to find it in the jumble of articles)

thanks for reminding me User:Siddiqui and User:DiegoTehMexican i will post my info sources from now on. Birdeditor 00:08, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Use of the First Person
"Here I would like to introduce" is not formal or encyclopedic in tone. The first-person should be avoided in all formal writings, the facts are what count, rather than the agenda of the author. Since there appears to be some commotion regarding unannounced edits, I'll allow the author time to respond. Tractorkingsfan 11:01, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I'm not going to wait, the paragraph about the website is not encyclopedic at all and deserves immediate removal. The section "problems" flows much better without it. It is mentioned as an external link, and that is the only place it belongs. Tractorkingsfan 11:07, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

This article sucks
This reads like a travel brochure to Karachi rather than an encyclopedia entry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.117.221.221 (talk) 21:31, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * "omg karachi is so awesome dont listen to zionist propaganda it is amazing"
 * Thats what this article sounds like. That or a GOVERNMENT OF PAKISTAN TRAVEL BROCHURE TO KARACHI. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.117.221.221 (talk) 20:14, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Foreigners have a right to know what happens at Karachi airport
Why people don’t want foreigners to know how stupid immigration/passport control at Karachi airport is. I would have taken photos if I was allowed to use my camera. They are lazy, rude and obnoxious Also Pakistani passengers maybe don’t know how to read the symbols/signs properly, and perhaps they are not aware of the words like “queues” and “lines”. Not everybody is the same but majority is like this.

Your opinion about customs officers at the Airport is original research which is not valid unless you can provide a reliable source.The article isn't here to mention really what happens where.Just there to give information about the subject and not the happenings.Nadirali نادرالی


 * My experience with the custom officers at Karachi Airport is very good, you must provide the link if u have any evidence Sal 22:12, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

More Information about Karachi City
First off, I don't speak Urdu, so I may be completely off the mark here after a bit of hasty googling, but why is chey (which I found to be "six") after every name on the list of notable people in Karachi? And as a corollary: why do we care about these people? It seems, to me, to be a thoroughly extraneous list.Shigernafy 06:08, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Explanation requested: Jinnah -> Quaid
"...sometimes known as ... the City of Quaid ..., after Muhammad Ali Jinnah the founder of Pakistan."

I don't get how "Muhammad Ali Jinnah" leads to "Quaid". Can someone please elucidate? Thanks.

Nat 09:30, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

"Quaid-e-Azam" is the official title of Father of the Nation Mohammad Ali Jinnah and it means "The Great Leader". Karachi Airprt is named after him i.e. Quaid-e-Azam International Airport, Karachi, Pakistan. Hope it is clear to you now. [M. Saleem Khan] 17:45, May 10, 2007

russian beach?
There is no such beach in Karachi nicknamed "russian beach".Add to that there are no russians in Pakistan except for diplomats.Nadirali نادرالی

There is Frenceh Beach Khalidkhoso 22:12, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

You're right about the nick named the "French beach".I'm not disputing that.the "russian beach" is the part which is unheard of,if it even exists.--Nadirali نادرالی


 * The beach near Steel mills called 'Russian beach' 22:12, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Karachi Riots
This event is but a footnote, if that, in the overall discussion of such a large and important city. If mentioned at all it should be a two sentence add-on to the "history" section, definitely not its own section and definitely not the sprawling off-topic state it is currently. Jdcooper 04:21, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Does it make sense to put such event to give Karachi and Pakistan bad name. What about other bad events in Karachi history?

No we should mention it as it hasnt gotten as bad in the last 35 years.We can keep it temporarily and create a section but keep most details in the main Karachi riots article.-Vmrgrsergr 16:30, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Karachi Pollution problem
Kk loach 13:53, 8 July 2007 (UTC)hi to every one I think the person who talked about the pollution problem in karachi was absolutely right and on karachi's problem there should be a whole sepearte article because i agree that this article is too big and did not meet the criteria of wikipedia's article size. [8-7-2007] [kk_loach]Kk loach 13:53, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

KARACHI IS A SHIT TANK!
HI I'm a Karachite, and I hate this city. My hatred starts from basic things to many others. There is no regard for anyone or anything in this city. Its fucking polluted! The noise from the Rickshaws have made me mentally ill! Unfortunately my house is right on the main road and I have to bear the torture of these rickshaws! If they are such a fucking cultural Icon, please fucking convert them to CNG. My fucking Car gets Vandalised almost everyday, some motherfucker or the other tries to break into it. This is a fucked up city, no doubt about it! It's decaying from the inside out. Every institution in this city, infact in all of Pakistan is fucked up. As u all know, the Chief Justice is out there on the road asking for his own justice! What a joke!

And Karachi..has always been neglected..and used by every motherfucker in all of Pakistan as a Battleground. The biggest Tragedy for Karachi is MQM. Those motherfuckers Piss me off. Uneducated fuck ups. These bastards claim that Karachi is being built! What the fuck are they talking about? my Area PECHS BLOCK 2 is in worst condition than ever.. there are fucking plastic bags flying around and shit flowing on the streets.

Bottom line is KARACHI IS FUCKED UP! I'm gonna finish my ACCA and get the fuck out of this country and never look back.. I love Pakistan, but Pakistan was just a dream..dreamt by our great Jinnah.. a Dream that he thought we Assholes would materialise..but who knew...he was gonna hand over the fruits of his hard work to a bunch of criminals.

Long live Pakistan ( In our hearts and minds)!!


 * What you just said is your personal opinion and has no bearing on an encyclopedia article. It alo uses language that violates Wikipedia policy. I am not deleting it because I dont like delteing things from discussion pages (they're meant to be an open forum). But in the future please tell your psychiatrist about your hatred for life rather than the Wikipedia community.


 * I don't have any hatred for life, I just hate Karachi, simple as that. As for the Wikipedia community, I'am a part of it aswell, and whatever I've stated in the article is not my opinion, these are hard facts. Karachi is a SEPTIC TANK! It was never like this, I know there were good times, when the streets were washed..but unfortunately due to corrupt governments, this city was neglected decade after decade and now it has spiraled out of control. This city is rotting, admit it!DannySnuttz 18:10, 19 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Welcome to wikipedia, both of you. I remind you both to refrain from line breaks, and also to please sign your posts with 4 tildas, like so: ~ .  Thank you.--Loodog 17:38, 19 July 2007 (UTC)


 * "I just hate Karachi", "I'm gonna finish my ACCA and get the fuck out of this country", "I love Pakistan but ...". These are all matters of your personal opinion which you are entitled to have but have nothing to do with this article. A statement like "Karachi is a septic tank" cannot go on an encyclopedia article, it is editorializing --- instead you need to list out all the problems that Karachi has, with citations. All I'm saying is that your post is the equivavalent of me posting my personal problems with my girlfriend on an article about Female species. Now I agree that this article does not deal with the problems that Karach has and it should. So if you have anything that is not Orignal Research and you can back with citations please add it. Otherwise please refrain from littering this discussion with information that clearly deals with your personal life. Please look at Verifiability. 76.102.153.140

Challenges
Since this article is already way too long, I propose creating a new article called Challenges facing Karachi or something similar and redoing the current challenges section in this article. The current section is very poor --- it has no citations, and does not deal with all the problems. If no one objects to this in a few days, I am going to do it. 76.102.153.140 01:45, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Please do. The general good format for a particular article attempting to go into too much depth on one topic is to create a new article and provide a summarized version with a link to the main article.  Example:


 * [A parapraph or so summary here.]
 * --Loodog 03:24, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Done. Please expand the article ... I have marked it as a Pakistan stub right now. See my comments on the discussion page Talk:Challenges facing Karachi. After the community feels it is mature enough, we can provide a link to it on the main Karachi page. Kas1234567 06:37, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Done. Please expand the article ... I have marked it as a Pakistan stub right now. See my comments on the discussion page Talk:Challenges facing Karachi. After the community feels it is mature enough, we can provide a link to it on the main Karachi page. Kas1234567 06:37, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Use of standard infobox
i noticed that in WIKI they has a infobox: pakistnai cities and that is use in some other cities of pakistan to show information about them but in this page that is not use.. i like to ask what all other think. Faraz Ahmad (talk) 05:40, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I changed the infobox earlier on today because I believe we should use the generic Template:Infobox Settlement which is much more flexible and comprehensive. I am working on another article at the moment but I will change all Pakistani cities to this generic infobox asap. Green Giant (talk) 07:07, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I have mentioned this on the talk page for to use the   rather and to suggest changes for the genericness of the mentioned template. Arun Reginald (talk · contribs) 16:39, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Some one is Deleting the uploaded Pictures and Articles
Hey well all Karachities and Pakistanis should unite against these culprits who are trying there best to harm Pakistan and the Image of Karachi on this Internationally viewed site by deleting the articles and Picture being uploaded! we all should add more and more articles and more Standardized pictures of Karachi as many as we can to show the clear and better Image of Karachi thanks! plz Kindly add some more articles!! and i request the Wikipedia authorities to take strict action against those who are involved in deletion of articles and pictures from Karachi. Paki90 —Preceding comment was added at 12:19, 31 December 2007 (UTC)


 * The reason your images keep getting deleted is because you keep breaking copyright law and you refuse to try to understand what people are trying to explain to you. To put it simply - STOP UPLOADING OTHER PEOPLE'S IMAGES AND CLAIMING THEY ARE YOURS. STOP COPYING TEXT FROM OTHER WEBSITES BECAUSE IT BREACHES COPYRIGHT LAW. Is that simple enough for you? Green Giant (talk) 13:07, 31 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Paki90, you can't just upload any picture you find on a search engine. Only pictures with the proper license can be uploaded. Also, make sure the pictures you upload are appropriate to an encyclopedia. Zaindy87 (talk) 01:43, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Today an admin has finally started deleting Paki90's images en masse - all because s/he would not follow the rules. I'm all for enthusiasm but it is simply not acceptable to try to pass of images as your own work when the only work you have done is to click the mouse for a copy-and-paste-job. I hope you realise the error Paki90 because it is a waste of our time trying to ensure you obey the law too. Green Giant (talk) 04:25, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

GA Review
Article is a good, solid 'B-class' article. Unfortunately, I don't think it meets the Good Article criteria at the present time. The language and prose is actually reasonably good, and it's well written, although there are a few cases in the article where some overly flowery language is used, which could be toned down a bit (e.g. try not to sound as much like a tourist guide). The biggest issue with the article is lack of references; most sections are completely unsourced (history, culture, education, sports, shopping, transportation). I also see at least two serious errors in the article as well:


 * "In 1864, the first telegraphic message was sent from India to England when a direct telegraph connection was laid down between Karachi and London." -- this implies that the first telegraph lines ever constructed were here, which is not the case. It may have been the first telegraph line in the region, but I don't think it was the first line ever. The sentence should be rephrased, and cited.
 * The population information in the last paragraph of the history section does not agree with the population in the infobox, or with the population in the demographics section.

A copyedit for reference citation formatting should be done. There are some cases where the citation appears after the cited sentence but before the punctuation (like this .). There's also some cases where the reference appears after the cited sentence with no punctuation whatsoever. The proper format is to put the citation after the cited sentence and immediately after the punctuation, with no space (like this. ).

I don't think the article is exactly complete. The culture section is really short, and I'm sure a city with a population of several million would have a lot more to do with the culture. More information about annual cultural events, sites of interest, religion, local food and drink, local customs, etc, should be added. I'd get rid of the shopping section; as written, it just doesn't look all that exciting. Lots of cities have shopping centers -- whoopdeedoo! You probably could talk about some of the bazaars, which might be a regional flavor of shopping center, somewhere in the culture section (sites of interest, for example).

The education section could use more discussion on the educational statistics, other schools, and libraries.

I'm not getting the listing of towns in the government section. Are these neighborhoods or boroughs within Karachi, or are they suburbs (separate cities and towns adjacent to the city)? I would recommend merging this information into the geography section, and possibly adding a subsection there on 'cityscape' or 'neighborhoods', with more discussion about these. I'd also move the government section lower in the order of sections, probably closer to transportation & education. It's not quite as important as things like history, geography, and economy.

There's no section discussing local media in Karachi. Are there any newspapers, television stations, radio stations, etc? This is pretty standard info for city articles.

I'd move the real estate section into the history section, or maybe geography. Although most of the text seems to be historical in nature. Same thing with the challenges section. These two sections seem to have been tacked on at the end and I'm not sure what their purpose is. The content seems notable, but I don't think it's quite important enough for their own sections.

You could probably reduce the 'see also' section a bit. It's mostly a long list of lists. You can start off by removing any links that are already included earlier in the article, such as List of universities in Karachi (per WP:MOS). Also, move the sister projects templates down to the external links section; most articles put them down there, since they are technical "external" to wikipedia, even though they are related sites.

Eliminate the 'notes' section with 1911 link in it. If information from the 1911 brittanica is used in the article, it should be cited using inline citations. 'General references' like this, which supposedly back up large sections of text without being specific, are not acceptable.

The lead section could also use a little touching up. It's decent, but a little short, and doesn't really adequately summarize the content of the article, as it should. You might want to review WP:LEAD for tips here.

I didn't really check all of the image copyright tags, which is also a requirement for GA status. But you should go through and insure that every image does have appropriate copyright tags, preferably free ones, like GFDL or creative commons tags.

Hopefully this will help editors improve the article. I think the article reads reasonably well, and once the article satisfies the citation and completeness requirements, it can be nominated again for GA status. You might also want to take a look at some of the templates and guidelines at WP:CITIES (while there's not really a template for international cities, there is one for UK and US cities, which might provide some useful information).

Cheers! Dr. Cash (talk) 00:08, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

hey mr.review, can help out instead of just complain? this is a free encyclopedia isnt it? not some test paper in a school, if one guys makes a mistake unitentionally tying to help the public why dont you fix it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Salh474 (talk • contribs) 13:32, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Removing Sindhi channels
If someone removes the names of Sindhi TV channels from the list, then I'll remove the names of Urdu TV channels. I hope names of Sindhi TV channels will not be removed.

Aursani (talk) 14:45, 15 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Perhaps you could make your meaning clearer. I understand what you are trying to convey based on past experience but the statement above reads like a threat and that is not something we want to encourage in Wikipedia. On a sidenote, if you must add weblinks, please do so using the full citation method so that it lines up with the other citations in the article. Green Giant (talk) 12:36, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

I do not uderstand why the complete section added by me was removed ruthlessly
I am again adding the section Karachi in Popular Culture of Sindh. This is the only section in the article that presents Karachi as a city of Sindh. Do not remove this without any sound reason. Aursani (talk) 18:53, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

I do agree, your section would be a good addition. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mik357 (talk • contribs) 02:32, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Why declare Karachi 4th worst city to live in?
I keep on removing this false claim but unfortunately some user(s) keep on undoing my edit. Any poll is not accurate and has a high chance of being biased. I challenge the poll by the following:

. Who was asked this question? Were only Karachiites asked or outsiders who don't live in Karachi?

. Did economist take into consideration of cities such as Mogadishu, N'Djamena, Sanaa, Kabul, Kandahar, Harare, Nuakchot, Bamako, Dili, Pyongyuang, Bhopal, Baghdad, Pristina, Grozny, Basra, Sulaymaniya, and many other cities which are clearly worse than Karachi?

. How was the poll conducted? Which kind of people were interviewed? Was the poll an online poll in which anybody could answer? Were 10 people asked or 100 or 1,000 or 10,000 or 100,000, 1,000,000 or 10,000,000,000? Were the people asked just normal native civilians or well known critics of their own governments such as activists?

. How many cities were asked? Only 10? Only 30? If you were to compare half wonderfully rich, high tech cities with poor cities, guess how your results will look.

Signed, Mik357 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mik357 (talk • contribs) 20:01, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Editor, please bring new discussion to the bottom of the talk page. The methodology is included in the article source.  You say "I can name you many more worse cities", but that's original research.  The fact is this is a peer-reviewed source that's making a notable statement about the city.  To actively choose not to include it based on personal opinion is bias, original research, and image-contriving censorship.--Loodog (talk) 21:17, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Loodog,

But how can you be sure that Economist is not biased or presents a non-censored result? This is not personal opinion. Based on 5 categories is not sufficient to say Karachi is the 4th worst city to live in. Besides, Economist is just a journal/magazine not an organization like UN or World Bank. I am sure there are sources (please search yourself) where Karachi ranks higher than 4th last (and that too in positive light).

To me, just to say straight off that Karachi is the 4th most unlivable city is very subjective and misleading. 4th most unlivable among what? How many? 4th last among just those polled? Than that is even more misleading because the statement I removed read '4th most unlivable city' which clearly implies 4th most unlivable city in World.

Regardless of peer editing of Economist articles, this poll does not represent World opinion and in contrast, provides censorship as it does not take into account the list of clearly worse cities I provided. To say Mogadishu, Dili, N'Djamena, Baghdad, Kabul are better than Karachi is censorship and personal bias and personal opinion, not the other way around. Neither me nor you need to visit cities like Mogadishu, Dili, N'Djamena, Baghdad to say Karachi is worst than them. This is not 'original research' but a known fact.

Please don't misuse the term 'original research'. I am not bringing forth new findings merely re-iterating something well known. To say a human can live without chocolate but not without water is not 'original research' but is a well known fact.

Mik357 (talk) 22:10, 28 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Please don't misuse the term common knowledge, especially when a published source differs with you. There is no published source saying people cannot live without chocolate.  This means that everything above is your personal argument, AKA original research.  It will cease to be original reseach when you can produce a source affirming that Karachi is indeed a very livable city comparitively.  Since you haven't, your deliberately blocking of a peer-reviewed and published result based off of what you think is bias, censorship, and even city image manipulation.--Loodog (talk) 13:51, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

maybe there is not (a published source saying people cannot live without chocolate), or maybe there is. There are numerous published sources testifying that chocolate (as you know it) didn't even exist until a dutch chemist got ahold of what the spaniards were drinking after they discovered the beverage amongst the AmerInds in the 16th century. There are no published sources testifying that you aren't from Planet Jupiter; does it mean that your claim to be an Earthling is merely your "personal argument"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.97.59.62 (talk) 04:43, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Loodog,

Here is my counter link:

http://bwnt.businessweek.com/interactive_reports/livable_cities_worldwide/index.asp?sortCol=rank_2007&sortOrder=ASC&sector=&country=undefined&pageNum=1&resultNum=100

Mik357 (talk) 02:47, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you. The source you provide ranks Karachi 175 out of 215, confirming the low livability of Karachi.  We can also include this in the article.--Loodog (talk) 15:48, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Loodog,

The argument (incase you forgot) was about whether the statement 4th worst .... should be included or not. I showed it was not valid and besides the link I gave you it was NOT 4th last and that was for international business executives.

In the mean time this argument remains unsettled, I have removed it not due to censorship (before you call it that) but because you are misrepresenting statistics (by saying livability ranking while business week is for international executives living standard --- read the business week article).

If you do include both, it violates the Wikipedia rule of contradiction as according to one, it says 4th worst while the other doesn't.

Mik357 (talk) 22:50, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe this is why you're not understanding me. I'm not arguing that Karachi is the 4th worst city to live in, because major publications will all be a bit different rankings; I'm arguing that Karachi has low "livability", which has been confirmed by both sources.  There's no contradiction.


 * Also, I don't see how you can claim the first source to be invalid because you've produced another. Why would one be given more credence than the other?  Especially when you claim they are so different as to be called "misleading" when included together.


 * As for the international executives aspect, that was a matter of differences in methodology. The ranking was still "livablilty".  You yourself produced this one under the guise of it providing livability information.--Loodog (talk) 02:35, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Loodog,

just do whatever you want. Thanks God I ran into people like you proving to myself Wikipedia is not an informational or valid source. I am not an ambassador of Pakistan and could care less of what others think of Karachi or Pakistan let alone on the Web. On the other hand you can't live with it as you have some personal problems with Karachi.

Having a nice sleep, consider this issue closed. Mik357 (talk) 02:58, 2 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I have no problem with Karachi. I approach this piece of information as: Is it notable and sourced, regardless of positive or negative light?  The answer was yes.  I really don't understand your basis for wanting to negate it.  If I did, I would probably feel as you do, that it shouldn't be included.--Loodog (talk) 02:56, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Loodog,

Likewise I don't understand your basis for including such trivial, controversial, provocative, subjective, and childish statements. Why don't you do some visiting on 'real encyclopedias' and see if you can find things of such low standard.

You are simply engaged in mud slinging and refuse to realize it. I know your types so it's okay. Besides, arguing with your types is not even in my favor because you would simply refuse to think otherwise.

And besides, what is the point Loodog. Suppose you do realize that Wikipedia doesn't need such trashy statements. There will be other countless people you would start making similar goofy statements.

I could come up with sources (regardless of positive or negative light) who say Karachi is the next big thing in the world of economics and I could go down there and snap up pictures which make Karachi seem like the next Dubai. But I won't as it would misrepresentation and bias even though I won't be doing anything wrong.

Regardless, like I said, keep on continuing answering back. I have equal authority to remove your edits on the Karachi article but won't. I feel more satisfied by not winning stupid battles. You my friend, will be going to interesting places with that attitude of yours.

From me, the last edit on this otherwise 'editable' website. Continue on thinking yourself as superior.

Mik357 (talk) 03:06, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * There's no need to make any of this personal. Please assume good faith.  I edit articles on 80 cities regularly, I have no agenda against or for any of them.  Karachi is not the only city to have something negative reported about it.  Detroit's article mentions its crime rate.  Los Angeles has an entire section dedicated to its pollution and environmental problems.  Cleveland's article mentions poor quality public education and poverty.  You seem to think that mentioning anything negative is low quality and against wikipedia's guidelines, despite the information being both notable and coming from a peer-reviewed reliable source:

A topic is presumed to be notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject.


 * There is no guideline saying "don't include it if it's negative". You can read wikipedia guidelines on NPOV and see this.--Loodog (talk) 14:55, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I think these are facts and we need to recognize them! there should not be any dispute on this! -- S M S  Talk 15:26, 2 March 2008 (UTC)


 * 4th worst city in the world to live in? It's amazing how these people will jump to write anything negative on Pakistan, yet fail to recognize all the positives happening in Pakistan. Wikipedia is full of ignorants and hypocrites.-- BK2006 talk 2:59, 26 March 2008

Really, just 2-3 sources don't indicate the reality - there needs to be more proof of this. Either present it or don't put such claims in the article. Mik357 (talk) 22:02, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, to include something in wikipedia only requires 1 reliable source, so quantity is not an issue.--Loodog (talk) 22:08, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

And how do you know the sources you quote are reliable? What is the criteria for that? Mik357 (talk) 22:10, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I think we can trust Business Week and The Economist to be high enough caliber publications to be included in wikipedia. They are edited, published, mainstream well-known magazines.  For more info see WP:RS.--Loodog (talk) 22:16, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Loodog, this is your own original research as you yourself have written "I think"...is there 'a reliable source' or some 'reliable research' indicating that Business Week and The Economist are 'reliable'? Mik357 (talk) 22:23, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Mik, the "I think" comment was meant ironically. These are very well-known professionally edited publications and are high-quality enough to be kept if ANYTHING is.  And no, wikipedia does not require sources to have sources saying they're reliable.  Because then you'd need a source showing that the source claiming the source to be reliable was itself reliable...  If you have any other questions about policy for source inclusion, which Business Week and The Economist pass flyingly, I direct you to WP:RS.--Loodog (talk) 22:52, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

How do you arrive on the conclusion that defines Business Week and The Economist as reliable sources. Read about 'The Economist article's criticism section' and you will find that there are arguments and sources that The Economist is not a good source. Mik357 (talk) 23:05, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Look, it overwhelmingly meets the criteria for inclusion. Of the publications qualified to be included:
 * "their authors are generally regarded as trustworthy or authoritative in relation to the subject at hand. How reliable a source is depends on context. As a rule of thumb, the more people engaged in checking facts, analyzing legal issues, and scrutinizing the writing, the more reliable the publication."


 * You may as well be contesting the quality of the New York Times.--Loodog (talk) 00:27, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Problems/challenges section
Mik, I'm not sure this is your intention, but everytime you change the section, you remove the sources that are there, replacing them with [number]. When you add new material, please keep the existing sources.--Loodog (talk) 15:11, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

"Pashtuns are plotting to take over Karachi", Kamal tells NPR
I saw this article yesterday about Karachi: http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2008%5C06%5C06%5Cstory_6-6-2008_pg12_1 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.229.17.239 (talk • contribs) 12:54, June 7, 2008
 * Good article on the conditions of Karachi but really crap about "Pashtuns taking over Karachi". --→ Ãlways Ãhëad (talk) 17:07, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

A Nice Picture Please!
Almost every article on any city has nice pictures of their downtowns and what not as the main picture on the side, while Karachi has an emblem and its location in the country. It's one of the largest cities in the world, and it deserves a picture don't you guys think?...Can someone please find a nice picture of the city to put as the main picture? It would be REALLY appreciated...Thanks in advance by the way, I really mean it.

--Saad —Preceding unsigned comment added by SaadRajabali (talk • contribs) 14:21, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Population
The figure for population is inaccurate as Karachi has some where between 15 and 16 million people. I recommend a change to the population figure. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.136.18.4 (talk) 06:53, 16 December 2008

Right now, the population figure is not even displaying, and I can't figure out why. Someone the Person (talk) 20:43, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I found the problem and switched it. "population_total" had been changed to "population." Also, do you have a source for that number (15 to 16 million)? Someone the Person (talk) 20:51, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

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Sister cities
I've found a number of sister cities that are blatantly not sister cities of Karachi. Someone or some people are trying to inflate the importance of Karachi. If anyone continues to add fake sister cities it will be considered vandalism. Michellecrisp (talk) 01:40, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Why do you have yourself as a bunch of curses in urdu? Stuvaco922 (talk) 00:31, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Karachi named after?
I read in one of the interviews given by Mr. Shashi Tharoor that Karachi and Lahore is named after the sons of Hindu diety Lord Ram, namely Khush and Lav. Is it true? I have tried to read more and find out as much as I can, but was unable to find anything. Can anyone help me on this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.192.135.73 (talk) 16:16, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Karachi is not named after Hindu idols. The name Karachi is derived from a fisherwoman who lived here 100s of years ago with her family. Her name was Mai Kulachi. Mik357 (talk) 19:08, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Picture
A picture of where Karachi is overall in Pakistan would be nice. Currently, we only have a pic of Sindh's location and a pic of where Karachi is in Sindh--Stuvaco922 (talk) 00:29, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

density
On the List of metropolitan areas by population page, the stated density of Karachi is 10,727, but on the Karachi page it is listed as 5,099. The correct figure should be established —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.201.208.114 (talk) 01:07, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Population
by looking at this and the references actually given in this article, i would say that both the population and the "eleventh place as largest metropolitan area" are wrong... should this be revised? i don't want to touch things and screw something up... please!--camr Yes, Master... 00:11, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It's still contradictory. The infobox says 18,000,000, Karachi says "about 12 to 18 million", and the lede links to List of cities by population which says 12,991,000, and List of metropolitan areas by population which says 11,800,000. It looks like the right answer is that nobody really knows. So I suggest "12 to 18 million" in the infobox – if anything but a number will work in the infobox template. Art LaPella (talk) 06:00, 17 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Dude, those guys are overdue for their next census. They need to get on it.  Meanwhile, here is the range of recent population estimates I've found:
 * 13,205,339 (2010)
 * 16,595,000 (2010)
 * 15,700,000 (2009)
 * 12,461,423 (2008)
 * "population estimates run anywhere from 12 million to 18 million" (2008)
 * "16 million" (2007)
 * 11,969,284 (2006)
 * All these estimates were obviously extrapolated in different ways from the most recent census in 1998. I have not found any sources that pegged the city's current population at 20 million, which is what this article's "population growth" box currently claims for 2009 in the Demographics section. I think that's too high, or at least not a widely accepted estimate at this time. -AtticusX (talk) 15:07, 17 January 2010 (UTC)


 * A reminder to anyone wanting to edit the article's population statistics: you must update the citations to support your statistics when you do.  Statistics require reliable sources.  And since there is a range of existing estimates of Karachi's population (see above), your source better be pretty reliable if you want to be more specific than "12 to 18 million". AtticusX (talk) 23:40, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

"vibrant economy" and related issues
In regards to the following line in the intro, which I have just removed:


 * Since independence from Britain in 1947, the city's vibrant economy has attracted migrants from all over Pakistan, surrounding countries such as Iran, Tajikistan, Myanmar, Sri Lanka, China, Bangladesh, Afghanistan and further beyond. Despite a history of political turmoil, the city continues to attract those seeking prosperity and has shown consistent growth.

I believe these statements to be extremely misleading. "Attracted migrants"? Almost every large city in the world can say this about themselves. What percentage of Karachi are expats? What percentage are immigrants? How does this compare to say, Mumbai, and Dhaka? Even the article on Hong Kong does not mention attraction of migrants form country A and country B, therefore, I believe the "Attracted migrants" line has no place in the intro.

Secondly, the "city continues to attract those seeking prosperity and has shown consistent growth"? Although I do not doubt that the city attracts many from poorer backgrounds, studies from Mercer, the Economist, and other reputable sources consistently rank Karachi as one of the worst places in the world to live. The sentence here gives the reader a far-fetched impression that "there's some political wranglings, but the city is wonderful". I do not oppose this content to be placed in the intro, but I do not believe it to be presented in a neutral point of view. Colipon+(T) 21:23, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

why doesnt the karachi demography page include percentage of gujaratis,bengalis and afghans —Preceding unsigned comment added by M.asif (talk • contribs) 15:11, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Meetup
We are planning 1st Wikipedians Meetup in Karachi,Pakistan. See Meetup.--Zainichi Gaikokujin (talk) 08:46, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

good karachi is better for every Pakistani. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.70.155.27 (talk) 10:24, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Proposal for Wikiproject Karachi
I have proposed a Wikiproject for the city of Karachi to improve articles related to the city, the goals of the project are listed on the proposal page, Please visit,vote and discuss the project.


 * A successful wikiproject requires 5-10 active wikipediians, so please vote and discuss.

Taqi Haider (talk) 14:47, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Militant presence
The content below (not written by me) was removed by a user who claims that "You cant put this new section with a title 'Militant presence' in a metro city page as per wiki standards, you may put this section under crime after rewrite". This is not the first time the section has been deleted.

I am not familiar with the specific rule the aforementioned user is citing; somebody please point me to it. Meanwhile, rather than revert the deletion, I will copy the content below and offer my personal opinion that it is relevant, notable content that belongs in the article in one form or another:

Ramzi bin al-Shibh, an al-Qaeda operative described as a "key facilitator for the September 11 attacks", was captured after a gunfight in the city in 2002. The militant group Lashkar-e-Taiba plotted and financed the 2008 Mumbai attacks from camps in Pakistan, some of which were in Karachi. In November 2009, Pakistani authorities charged seven men they had arrested earlier, of planning and executing the assault. Abdul Ghani Baradar, described as the number two official of the Afghan Taliban, was captured in a "joint" CIA-Pakistani intelligence operation in Karachi in February 2010. Mohammad Younis, a former Taliban shadow governor in Afghanistan, and Agha Jan Mohtasim, another "Afghan Taliban leader", were both arrested in Karachi in early 2010. The Washington Times reported in November 2009 that Mohammed Omar, the head of the Afghan Taliban, had recently moved to Karachi. Taliban fighters are increasingly using the city to raise money and for vacation. Recent Pakistani media reports even claim Osama bin Laden is hiding in Karachi. On 22 June 2010, the BBC reported an increase of Taliban members moving to the city.

I think the content's notability speaks for itself, especially on an international level, and each statement is backed up with citations. So, to the editors who keep deleting it, what are your concerns? AtticusX (talk) 00:06, 8 March 2010 (UTC)


 * No one has come forward in the past two weeks to share any concerns with this section, so I am returning it to the article. I will put it under "Demographics" in the subsection "Crime" in imitation of certain other city articles like Washington, D.C., as requested by one user who earlier removed the section. If you have a better place for it in the article, by all means move it there.  Information like this does belong in the article though.  Wikipedia's city articles are not meant to be advertisements or tourist guides with the ugly stuff censored out.  Does anyone think Wikipedia's job is primarily to list all of Karachi's shopping malls and sporting facilities while purposely ignoring the factor that has brought Karachi into the international spotlight of late? AtticusX (talk) 11:41, 21 March 2010 (UTC)


 * The paragraph above has again been targeted for deletion without any sort of valid explanation offered in the edit summary or on this talk page. I have updated the copy of the paragraph above, and I would like to reiterate my invitation to any editor who wishes to blank this sourced content to explain how removing it is justified. So far, it just looks like a bad attempt to censor the article. AtticusX (talk) 15:44, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Many terrorist are present worldwide, the terrorists who bombed in England were British by birth. but there is no such section is in any city of England, so it looks that this article is just to defame Karachi and nothing else and I am again deleting this article as did by many people earlier. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Syedkhalilullah (talk • contribs) 14:13, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Is Dhaka bigger than Karachi?
Hi,

Just wanted to confirm that whether Dhaka or Karachi is bigger in terms of population? I have read Dhaka is the biggest and Karachi the 2nd biggest. Is it really true? Any source? Please help! —Preceding unsigned comment added by QadeemMusalman (talk • contribs) 17:43, 28 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Dhaka definately has a bigger population. See List_of_cities_by_GDP. --92.11.114.100 (talk) 13:39, 31 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Agreed. According to the United Nations World Urbanization Prospects report (2010 population estimates from the report's 2007 revision), Dhaka has a population of approximately 14,796,000 while Karachi has a population of around 13,052,000.

Why are Karachi and Lahore written in Hindi/Sanskrit?
Why is Karachi written in Hindi? Does it have any association with Karachi or Pakistan? Now some Indians are writting these names in their language, please remove it from the page because it looks very odd!QadeemMusalman (talk) 00:49, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Copyright problem
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Hindu heritage
The Hindu heritage of Karachi for the centuries has been ignored. The population of Karachi was 100% Hindu before the attacks by Mughals. Hindus have been described as the economic settlers. The sentence where it is mentioned that the city was full of mosques, churches etc. does not mention Hindu temples. Hindu temples still exist even after 63 years of their leaving their home en mass. The present population is considered only 0.86% Hindus this is not correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sunirkumar (talk • contribs) 03:14, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

Sister City
According to the website of sister cities, Karachi has only one SC, Houston, TX, US and here we have given 3! And there are no specific sources! And why the hell do we have mentioned that a signed sister city agreement was cancelled! Please advise and attend. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sheikh Mohammad Shahzeb (talk • contribs) 10:03, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

✅ Thanks fo the good job about these cities. Please help to make it a good article. --Mohamed Aden Ighe (talk) 22:59, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Also Mumbai, India is a sister city of Karachi. --Mohamed Aden Ighe (talk) 19:34, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

File:Port Tower Complex.jpg Nominated for speedy Deletion
If by Hindkowans it is meant that they are from Hazara then it is completely inaccurate to suggest that they came to Karachi much later than the Hindustanis from India. A sizeable community of Hazara people - Pushto and Hindko speakers - well before the creation of Pakistan. I personally know of many tribes/families in Karachi from Mansehra, Abbottabad, the old Campbellpur, Swat and Mianwali districts along with other Punjabis and even Kashmiris and living peacefully with local Hindus as well as Muslim Sindhis. Patel Para had considerable number of Gujrati Hindus who were driven out to make way for incoming Urdu speaking Hindustanis who initially came in drizzle but gained momentum in late 1950's as Pakistan's survival became a reality. So I'll edit that part of the article. Moarrikh (talk) 23:14, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Sister citys
Not for the first time an IP has changed one of the sister city names, can we get some citations for that section? Darkness Shines (talk) 12:26, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Merging Karachiites into this article
Just threw out a proposal to merge the Karachiite article into this one. I don't believe the denonym is notable enough on its own to justify a page when it could simply be included here. But I am more than willing to be proven incorrect. --   Alyas Grey   : talk 00:07, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

I agree karachiites can be merged with the Karachi page. Asadmuslim (talk) 17:01, 12 May 2012 (UTC)asadmuslim

i dont agree Rameezraja001 (talk) 16:12, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

I agree. 113.203.131.120 (talk) 15:39, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

I agree. MohammedBinAbdullah (talk) 15:40, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Unsourced
An IP removed content which was not sourced, it was reverted back in, I assume by mistake. I have removed the content again per WP:V, do not restore unless sources are found. Darkness Shines (talk) 13:28, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * It was possibly a Nangaparbat sock, so it had to be reverted. -- S M S  Talk 13:50, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Why are you responding for Mar4d? And perhaps next time you ought to look to see if it is in fact Nangparbat Different ISP Darkness Shines (talk) 14:04, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I am not responding on anyone's behalf neither is this Mar4d's talkpage. I was going to do the same revert but Mar4d had already done it. Besides country is same and editing behavior is same, deletion of content from article. Had this IP a sane editor, it would have added cn tag, to the uncited text. -- S M S  Talk 15:32, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Etymology of Karachi
Where does the name Karachi comes from? What is its etymology?

BR --Ferhengvan (talk) 10:07, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

It is not world's largest city in terms of population. It is on third position in terms of population
It is stated in the first paragraph that "world's largest city in terms of population"

Karnchi is not the world's most populous city. As stated here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_proper_by_population It is third largest city in terms of population — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shashwat2691 (talk • contribs) 17:53, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 1 December 2012
Speeling mistake in following text

"After sending a couple of exploratory missions to the area, the British East India Company coaptured the town when"

Rao bilal ahmed (talk) 09:46, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Done = with this edit. Thank you for pointing that out Begoon &thinsp; talk  09:58, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Highly controversial
"Sindhis and Baloch indigenous population form beyond 40% of the city. Exclusively Urdu speaking and Bihari count nearly 25%Exclusively Sindhi speaking form near 30%"

Rank	Language	1998 census[91]	Speakers	1981 census	Speakers 1	Urdu	48.52%	4,497,747	54.34%	2,830,098 2	Punjabi	13.94%	1,292,335	13.64%	710,389 3	Pashto	11.42%	1,058,650	08.71%	453,628 4	Sindhi	07.22%	669,340	06.29%	327,591 5	Balochi	04.34%	402,386	04.39%	228,636 6	Saraiki	02.11%	195,681	00.35%	18,228 7	Others	12.44%	1,153,126	12.27%	639,560 All	100%	9,269,265	100%	5,208,132 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.157.154.164 (talk) 16:57, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Urdu and Sindhi spelling need to be merged
"Karachi" is spelled the same in both languages so why separate them. Just put Urdu/Sindhi spelling. Most words are spelled the same in both languages as they use the same script, except Sindhi has a few extra sounds not used in Urdu.
 * Not exactly; at least per my reading of the scripts, the 'kaaf' and the 'ye' used in the spelling of Karachi are different in Urdu and Sindhi. Yes, they may look similiar, but similiarity does not mean that the spellings are the same.  Mar4d  ( talk ) 07:30, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Polish refugees in Karachi
A while back someone changed "30,000 Polish refugees" to "3,000 Polish refugees". If there is any doubt, surely this settles it beyond all doubt: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Polish_memorial_Karachi.jpg Rui &#39;&#39;Gabriel&#39;&#39; Correia (talk) 10:43, 26 April 2013 (UTC)