Talk:Karaman Eyalet

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: no decision made at this time. This is a procedural close, because I'm combining this request with 9 substantially identical ones at Talk:Mosul Eyalet. See below for an automated link which should appear to that discussion. - GTBacchus(talk) 12:48, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Karaman Eyalet → Eyalet of Karaman – Relisted. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:39, 17 September 2011 (UTC) – per WP:COMMONNAME


 * "Karaman Eyalet" -Llc 6 - 3 = 3
 * "Eyalet of Karaman" -Llc 23

-- Takabeg (talk) 08:40, 8 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Why? Typically at Wikipedia, administrative subdivsions are titled XXXX subdivision and not Subdivision of XXXX even though usage in sources might reflect both forms. (e.g., Governorates of Egypt, States of Nigeria, Domains of Japan, Counties of Iran).  Even many of the Ottoman eyalet articles currently follow this format (see here).  Considering the paucity of references using either of these terms (vs. "province", etc.), what's wrong with consistency in this case?  Is there any reason this Ottoman subdivision should be treated differently?  —  AjaxSmack   11:02, 10 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Because, in this case, "eyalet of XXX" is overwhelming "XXX eyalet". We sometimes cannot find samples of "XXX eyalet". This approach reduces the risk of No original research. Takabeg (talk) 11:11, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Frankly, all of the numbers are very low. "Karaman Province" is more common than either.  Terms such as "eyalet" or "province" are used haphazardly in sources and are, in the cases of these type articles, more descriptives than titles.  As such, keeping the current title for consistency is a good enough reason.  Oppose a move.  —  AjaxSmack   11:47, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * ??? See Karaman Province. Takabeg (talk) 12:32, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Exactly why the page should stay at it's current title. Please note a couple of examples of similar cases here at Wikipedia:
 * Poland's administrative subdivisions are usually called "provinces" in English. At Wikipedia, however, the term voivodeship is used (for precision and other reasons) and all of the provinces are consistently titled XXXX Voivodeship.  Individual Google searches were not used to determine each province's article title.
 * Iraq's administrative subdivisions are usually called "provinces" in English. At Wikipedia, however, the term governorate is used (for precision and other reasons) and all of the provinces are consistently titled XXXX Governorate.  Individual Google searches were not used to determine each province's article title.
 * In these cases and many others, both common English usage and Google hits are subsumed to a rational, systematic approach to naming. I'm not a fan of consistency for consistency's sake but Wikipedia's article title naming criteria list "Consistency – Does the proposed title follow the same pattern as those of similar articles?".  The format XXXX eyalet is both convenient for readers who see the placename first and creates fewer alphabetization and sorting problems.  A miniscule number of Google hits aside, I just don't see any compelling reason why this individual case is different.  —  AjaxSmack   14:22, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

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