Talk:Karelian Bear Dog

Moved from article
The following is commentary on the content which is appropriate for the article discussion page. JNW (talk) 15:25, 29 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Despite the erroneous information still out there, the Russo-European Laika is not the same dog as the Karelian Bear Dog. The following, widely repeated remark is doubly spurious: “Closely related to the Laika, the Karelian Bear Dog is descended from an old Finnish breed to which Russian breeders introduced Utchak Sheepdog blood.” Such a breed did not and does not exist in Russia. We do not know who introduced this false statement about interbreeding with the Utchak Dog, but it occurs in many writings about the Karelian Bear Dog. Unfortunately Mark Derr also picked this up and included in his article about Karelian Bear Dogs published in Smithsonian. One question remains. What kind of dog the Utchak Dog is? Is it merely a corruption of "ov(t)charka" (овчарка), the Russian word for "sheepdog"?  (See, South_Russian_Ovtcharka, Caucasian_Shepherd_Dog .) We would like other members of R-PADS and guests to help us to find the answer to this question."(HISTORY OF THE RUSSO-EUROPEAN LAIKA AND MYTH ABOUT ITS INTERBREEDING WITH THE UTCHAK DOG by Vladimir Beregovoy and Marina Kuzina PAWS 2000)

Last but not least, the Finnish people have never mixed the Karelian Bear Dog with any other breed of dog.

Vanity pictures
Pictures used in past revisions of this article were much better in showing the shape and appearance of the breed. If the the current pictures must be retained, fine, but the other pictures should be added back. Not to mention that the second picture in this article is just a cropped version of the first. 69.128.153.193 (talk) 01:28, 7 April 2009 (UTC)