Talk:Karen (slang)

Wiki Education assignment: Race, Law, and Politics
— Assignment last updated by Mriacona (talk) 17:45, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

What "Karen" actually means
What a pathetic load of garbage propaganda this article is. It actually has "sources" from the BBC and Insider who are left-wing and have not got a clue on what a meme is, nor any clue of what happens on the Internet, and the former of which is well-renowned for making up rubbish and telling lies. "Karen" used generally for entitled women in general. They don't need to be American, or light-skinned, or blonde or short-haired. Even the term "Daren" and "Kevin" are used for male Karens. The Internet must push back. Mikey&#39;Da&#39;Man, Archangel (talk) 17:49, 21 April 2024 (UTC)


 * And what reliable sources do you have for this?  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) 17:50, 21 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Mikey, you appear to be saying above that the BBC "is well-renowned for making up rubbish and telling lies". If this were so, it would be surprising that en:Wikipedia says that, for editing purposes, the BBC "is considered generally reliable". If you can provide evidence for the BBC's renown for making up rubbish and telling lies, then please do so at WP:RSN and get agreement for your low opinion of the BBC. If you either cannot do this persuasively or can't be bothered to do so, then accept that the BBC is, with good reason, considered generally reliable. -- Hoary (talk) 23:45, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 May 2024
In regards to Citibike Karen. The teen boy’s family raised $103,235 via GoFundMe. The $65 amount is incorrect in this wiki. 71.95.40.115 (talk) 14:46, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Do you have a WP:RS? Babysharkboss2 was here!!  I killed JFK 15:01, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅ The source seems to say $65,000, not $65. I've made that change. Valereee (talk) 19:32, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Race
I have seen it mention many times that the definition of a karen is 'white' and 'middle class', but I think that this is incorrect. There have been countless of hours of karens on all kinds of social media showing that this is universal behaviour, not related to [perceived] race, [standing], or education level, and I would support a move to reclassify 'karen' as " a woman but not exclusively so, who exhibits a pattern of entitled, demanding, and often confrontational behavior in various social situations, particularly when interacting with service providers or authority figures. This behavior is characterized by a sense of superiority, entitlement to special treatment, and a tendency to escalate minor issues into conflicts. Karens are known for asserting their perceived rights aggressively, often disregarding the perspectives or needs of others and displaying a lack of empathy or self-awareness. Their behavior may include making unreasonable demands, insisting on speaking to managers or supervisors, and attempting to exert control over situations in which they feel dissatisfied or inconvenienced." Aethalides (talk) 15:09, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Do you have sources for that definition? Dimadick (talk) 13:35, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm talking about my opinion, and stating that I would support such a definition. Not sure if a list of youtube videos would qualify as sources for Wikipedia, though. Aethalides (talk) 19:09, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Misogyny
, the fact it's sometimes used against men doesn't mean it's not an example of misogyny, so I've added that cat back. Valereee (talk) 18:00, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Karen Origin
I wanted to point out that the term Karen started as a pejorative all the way back in 1998 and has been in use since then. It stemmed from a flame war in an AOL chat forum (yes AOL) that was focused on the tv show Will & Grace and the character "Karen" who was Grace's assistant. While a niche term until around 2005, it gained traction in various forums from the time, especially on Myspace posts. Widespread adaptation didn't take off until 2018 when it became conflated with the "can I speak to your manager" haircut meme, taking on new connotative meaning associated with that meme, rather than its original use as a pejorative, which was: a loud or obnoxious woman, often drunk or inebriated, and with whom there was difficulty in handling. When the two terms conflated, the meaning shifted to an individual who was arrogant, demanding, and unreasonable, often to the extreme. While they were similar, the new meaning eclipsed the prior uses, which is likely why the origin seems to have been lost and prior referential uses lost. FriarMartin (talk) 21:24, 18 July 2024 (UTC)