Talk:Kari Løvaas

Name and birth date
Her name in German will be in most sources, - I think it is needed to mention it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:38, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Two external links give a precise date of birth, 13 May 1941. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:59, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Store norske leksikon, a very reliable source, gives a precise date too, 13 May 1939. As does many other encyclopaedias which are scanned by the National Library of Norway and accessible from Norwegian IP addresses. Manxruler (talk) 00:14, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Do they supply a place of birth? The details about Flagstad singing the season premiere, the name of the scholarship, etc.? I don't find these in English sources. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:59, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Name again: I see her name as Lövaas in so many sources that I am tempted to move the article. Thoughts? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:52, 23 June 2016 (UTC)


 * On most articles where she is mentioned, she is mentioned Lövaas. I tend to move, and will do so on Sunday if there's no objection, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:06, 24 June 2016 (UTC)


 * She was born in Skien, according to SNL. According one of the many books which mention Løvaas, Kirsten Flagstad was the head of the Norwegian National Opera and Ballet at the time of Løvaas' début. Løvaas was given her début role by by Flagstad, who had herself debuted in the same role many years earlier.
 * As for moving to Lövaas, I'm sceptical. Every single Norwegian source that mention her (including dozens and dozens of books, as well as scholars such as Per Dahl as recently as 6 weeks ago) calls her Løvaas, and as far as I understand, she hasn't changed her name. Manxruler (talk) 18:52, 24 June 2016 (UTC)


 * I hear you, and accept, but see that name on no recording and no review written outside Norway, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:58, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, so on the one hand we have recordings and non-Scandinavian reviews with "Lövaas", and on the other we have encyclopaedias (both paper and online), books, a couple of parliamentary rapports, reviews in Scandinavian sources, and research by music scholars in Norway (some of it published in English) with "Løvaas". Manxruler (talk) 01:13, 26 June 2016 (UTC)


 * I said already that I accept, no? - Different from other situations, it's no change" of name anyway, just convenience for people who don't have the Norwegian character on their keyboard, but the German. I wonder what she'd done if she'd made her career in the US, where they don't have that either. - Can you please introduce some of these sources, to support the details covered by the Norwegian Wikipedia but with no English source? This should go to DYK, and if I don't have a source for a fact, I need to prune ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:57, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I think about what to say for DYK, Haydn operas, Salzburg appearances, Rossini with Sawallisch, and all these are sourced Lövaas. Should it be a piped link then? Perhaps the article switch to Lövaas when she moves to Germany? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:54, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Apologies, I didn't quite catch that. I'll have a look at it tomorrow. Will see if I find the time to add refs etc. Although, the Norwegian Wikipedia article really isn't ideal at all, this should be written from scratch. If she had been active in the US, then I imaging that they would have referred to her as "Lovaas". Same thing goes for the UK etc. Manxruler (talk) 23:37, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
 * And I now see that you've done a fair deal to improve the article. Good. I'd say piped link, if anything. Manxruler (talk) 00:04, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
 * We are down to needing a ref for the name of the state scholarship being Ruud, and her teacher in Vienna. I got rid of most lists of places and names that I don't like anyway ;) - Sorry about losing Jochum that way (found nothing specific), - a connection to him would be welcome. - The DYK nom uses a piped link. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:07, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I'll see what I can dig up. Manxruler (talk) 10:12, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Here's what I found with regards to the info you needed reffed:
 * 1. Regarding the scholarship, it was undoubtedly "Edwin Ruud and wife"'s scholarship for gifted Norwegian and Swedish songstresses who were unmarried and below the age of 25, for the purpose of voice training or education. Løvaas fits the bill just right. However, despite having looked at every source I could find, I found no reference to Løvaas having received this scholarship. Very likely true, but not verified.
 * 2. No source mentions the teacher in Vienna.
 * 3. No mention of Eugen Jochum.
 * What I'll do, is to rewrite the relevant sub-section with verifiable info. Manxruler (talk) 17:17, 2 July 2016 (UTC)