Talk:Karine A

Photo request

 * There is a photo over at Operation Noah’s Ark. Maybe the two articles should be merged... AnonMoos 02:35, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

NPOV template
Message in the article:

"The neutrality of this article is disputed. Please see the discussion on the talk page."

So I go to the talk page, and there's no discussion whatsoever. What gives?

Michael 11:34, 05 June 2006 (UTC)


 * People like to leave notes on how they don't agree with the article and then not state anything, basically because the article is not written from their point of view, but from a neutral point of view which they perceive as the 'other' point of view. This is not contradictory to the philosophy of Wikipedia, but may be contradictory to theirs, thus they can't actually say anything here without having the guideline pages thrown in their face.


 * It may also be all the information that has been written without direct inline citations, in which case the entirely wrong template has been used. I'm going to replace it, and then whoever added it can readd it along with a note here stating what portion violates the NPOV rule. Joffeloff 18:46, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

This is widely viewed to be an Israeli false flag in order to thwart any potential US-Iranian relationship at a time when it was seen as increasingly likely. One section has to be devoted to this, otherwise it should be noted that the neutrality of this article is disputed.

Illegal arms
I think the article more or less honours the NPOV. However the concept of calling the shipment "Illegal arms" could be probably rethinked or better referenced.

As the prevailing explanation claims, the shipment was supposedly intended for Palestinian Authority, which according to Oslo accords should maintain full control of certain areas under its patronage using a defined police force. Thus, unless referenced specifically in the transcripts of Oslo accords as illegal, arming the Palestinian police force shouldn't be called illegal, should it?

Now we could only discuss the types of weapons seized, whether they still qualify as police-use weapons. But in general Wikipedia shouldn't take it for granted when authorities claim seized arms being illegal that they actually are.--Oneliner 18:51, 26 August 2006 (UTC)


 * According to aricle XIV of Oslo 2 agreement :

Except for the arms, ammunition and equipment of the Palestinian Police described in Annex I, and those of the Israeli military forces, no organization, group or individual in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip shall manufacture, sell, acquire, possess, import or otherwise introduce into the West Bank or the Gaza Strip any firearms, ammunition, weapons, explosives, gunpowder or any related equipment, unless otherwise provided for in Annex I.


 * According to the agreement, any independent purchasing of weapons not agreed between Israel and the Palestinians, is of the strongest violation. Amoruso 01:03, 29 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Good job in finding this explanation. Would you support merging this information into the article? So that the arming of the Palestinian authority is viewed in a wider context than the one of Hezbollah? --Oneliner 16:51, 29 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Of course. Please do. This whole incident concerns only the arming of the Palestinian authority and not of Hezbollah. Amoruso 17:48, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Broader implications -- Breakdown of trust between Bush and Arafat
I think that this incident played a significant role in the final break-down of whatever small lingering remnant of confidence and trust George W. Bush still had in Arafat -- I seem to remember rumors that Bush took strong personal offense to what he felt was Arafat's direct personal lying to him over Karine A. This set the stage for Bush tacitly aquiescing in Israel's West Bank offensive of April 2002, and Bush's major mideast speech of June 24th 2002 (which was anti-Arafat, and in large measure removed American pressure on Israel to make any concessions until and unless the Palestinians first cracked down against terrorism). AnonMoos 02:32, 10 December 2006 (UTC)