Talk:Karl Koch (hacker)

Suicide?
The cause of Karl's death is very controversial. For one, no shoes or socks were found with his body. Second, he provoked the wrath of the American government, an organisation not known for its compassion or decency. Third, the KGB wanted to disassociate themselves from Karl and, as the KGB were as bloodthirsty as the CIA, they could have easily killed him to finish the job. Fourth, why would anyone want to die a horrible death like that, especially someone who had access to drugs? --212.2.174.100 (talk) 20:57, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

I have removed the sentence since two unknown websites/blogs are not an acceptable source for a statement like that. somebody should come up with a more neutral way to describe his death 78.51.153.66 (talk) 19:37, 14 April 2010 (UTC) I just saw that that somebody reverted it without any reason. well, if you want your opinion on wikipedia, all you got to do is to find a website (no matter what sort of website though) that shares your opinion 78.51.153.66 (talk) 19:40, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Article title
I have moved this page from Hagbard, as the name Hagbard should be reserved for the original Viking hero.--Wiglaf 09:09, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * The article title should actually be Karl Koch (hacker) for consistency with naming conventions. The article on Richard M. Stallman is Richard Stallman, not RMS.  Certainly not RMS (Richard M. Stallman). -- 192.250.34.161 (talk) 21:45, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Death date of Hagbard
The Phrack article linked to by the article refers rather definatively to his death as taking place on June 5, not May 23. 

Is there any other information on this? &mdash; Xoder|&#9990; 04:34, 27 January 2006 (UTC)


 * The german movie 23 (from 1998) end with this text: "Am 23. Mai brach Karl Koch zu einer Diesenfahrt auf, von der er nicht mehr zurück kam.", translated "On May 23, Karl Koch left for an business-related drive he didn't come back from", according to the movie he was found one week later. Also, the Clock DVA music video (located at ) says: "DEDICATED TO KARL KOCH AKA; HAGBARD CELINE - HACKED 23/5/1989 - AGED 23". This could very well be a rumour based on his obsession with the number 23 (23 and 5 are mentioned numerous times in the movie), but as several sources say may 23, I guess it could be the right date.
 * I found this page (in German) with lots of newspaper clips and such about Karl Koch, anybody that's good at german that could see if the date is mentioned there? http://s23.org/wiki/Karl_Koch/Doku
 * On this website (in German) there is a Hagbard's obituary with date of death 24.5.89  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.92.136.239 (talk) 16:19, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Living Person category
I'm removing this page from the ] category, since he's dead. I'm moving it, instead, into the appropriate sub category of [[:Category:Dead people Bmearns 14:47, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Trojan Horses
The article says "He is considered by some to be the inventor of the first trojan horse software." Trojan Horse software is mentioned in the paper "Multics Security Evaluation: Vulnerability Analysis", written by Paul A. Karger and Roger R. Schell and published by the US Air Force in 1974. (PDF scan at .) That pretty much rules Koch out as the inventor, unless he did it when he was less than 10 years old. I'm removing the claim from the article. Tom Duff 00:56, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

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