Talk:Karlsruhe Institute of Technology

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see also some previous discussion on the old Karlsruhe University talk page: Talk:Universität Karlsruhe (TH)

Low Notability?
Sure, this article is a stub. However, doubting the notability for a Wikipedia article of one of the leading research universities in Germany is, well, a bold claim, to say the least. --elwood_j_blues (talk) 00:30, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I put some links to BMBF.de. Notability will come with the law „KIT-Gesetz“ later 2008. -- Kawana (talk) 14:59, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

notability shouldn' be a question at all. Here it's mentioned in Germany's largest weekly newspaper and here in the Washington Post.

A source for improvement: translate the German KIT wikipedia page to English
The German language version of Wikipedia has a decent article about KIT. I would translate it myself, but I am only at a novice level of fluency in German so I am ill-suited for a decent translation. Perhaps there is someone with the skill, time and motivation to do so? The page can be found here.

Page merger
I was bold and merged the page of the University of Karlsruhe in this one. This was a rather superficial merge, and needs quite a bit of work still, but heck, I think it is an improvement over the previous situation. I hope someone will continue on improving it :) --denny vrandečić (talk) 22:58, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

becoming a Technische Hochschule - Year!
English Wiki: In 1885 the institution was renamed a Technische Hochschule German Wiki: 1865 wurde das Polytechnikum durch Großherzog Friedrich I. zur Technischen Hochschule erhoben

So, here 1885 there twenty years earlier! which is correct??? --EruThe1 (talk) 10:25, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

According to this source, it's wrong in the German Wiki:

http://karlsruhe.topstadt.de/article.php?cnt=18

1885 erfolgte die Umbenennung in „Technische Hochschule" mit Nebenorganisation (Rektor magnificus, Senat, Großer Rat). 1899 Einführung des Promotionsrechtes. 1902 nahm sie nach ihrem großzügigen Förderer Großherzog Friedrich I. von Baden den Namen „Fridericiana" an. Am 5. Juli 1967 erfolgte die Umbenennung in Universität Karlsruhe (Technische Hochschule).

--EruThe1 (talk) 10:32, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

I noticed this problem today as well. The current (April, 2022) text of the German Wikipedia article parses the matter this way: that the "Polytechnikum" was elevated by Friedrich I to the status of "technische Hochschule" in 1865, but it retained the name "Polytechnische Schule" until 1885.

To the best of my understanding, that is consistent with the karlsruhe.topstadt.de article cited immediately above ("Umbenennung" = "renaming").

But if the German Wikipedia article is accurate, then the current text in English isn't right, since in English we are currently saying that the official status of the institution changed in two stages (first becoming a Hochschule in 1865, then being declared a technische Hochschule in 1885). The German Wikipedia article says that the status changed only in 1865, and then in 1885 the name was adjusted to match that status. DSatz (talk) 14:56, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Addendum: There is a published history in German of the University (Hoepke: Geschichte der Fridericiana), which on page 70 cites the 1865 statute. It did in fact declare the school's status as a "technische Hochschule" in Article 1, without changing the name of the institution.

The events leading up to 1885 are described in the book on pages 81-85, but unless I've missed it, I don't see any direct statement there about the name change as a specific occurrence. On page 85, while referring to events of 1885, the new name is used without special explanation. I find that rather baffling and will definitely look again.

For now at least, I would say that the German Wikipedia article's way of describing things is well sourced as to 1865--while the 1885 part is indirectly/indistinctly supported and certainly not contradicted by this book. BTW the book can be downloaded for free; a link is in the German Wikipedia article. DSatz (talk) 17:13, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

record in data transfer
Götz Werner is no longer teaching at KIT !

In according to article, below, this Institute achieved a great result in data transfer: 26 terabits per second http://uk.ibtimes.com/articles/150408/20110523/light-transfer-fiber-optic-research-wolfgang-freude-26-terabits.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by Palapa (talk • contribs) 19:55, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Who cares? It is not in scope of Wikipedia to mention each publication, which made it to the common press. -- 78.53.212.49 (talk) 17:35, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Regarding the term "informatics"
I just thought this was a translation error perhaps resulting from the fact of someone seeing the term "Informatik" on one of the KIT's German pages and then taking this to mean what is strictly meant by informatics in English, especially in academic contexts. But then I noticed that the KIT themselves actually use the term informatics on their English pages too! While in (most of) the English-speaking world there is now also a discipline quite officially known as informatics, this appears unfortunate to me, since the latter, of course, is not usually (a synonym for) computer science, whereas "Informatik" in German can always be understood to mean just that: computer science, and nothing else. Thus, and properly speaking, the KIT's "department of informatics" is really what in English normally would be known as a department of computer/computing science and, similarly, you can be taking courses in computer science at KIT, yet you cannot take such in informatics (which, as a field of study, rather seems to be a peculiarity of the Anglosphere anyway; there surely are counterparts in German-speaking countries, yet because here "Informatik" is already in use, those tend to have entirely different names, lest there pop up ambiguities.)

Naturally we cannot change terminologies the KIT prefer to use on their website. And considering that they call it "informartics" themselves, this article can hardly be blamed for merely having adopted these. What, instead, I'd like to propose is that there might be a little clarification to the following effect: with respect to the KIT note that -> informatics = computer science; informatics != (anglophone) informatics. Maybe it's not a big deal at all, though I must say that, as it is now, it reads rather odd and ambiguous (in case you don't know better), and I'm not even a native speaker (of English). But I'll leave this to you, or, whoever may feel concerned. Zero Thrust (talk) 17:45, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Albert Speer
Shouldn't Albert Speer be included in the section on Famous people, given that he began his architecture studies at Karlsruhe? Azx2 04:07, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

There is a new president
Eberhard Umbach is not longer president of the KIT, look here. --Das Volk (talk) 16:00, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Assessment comment
Substituted at 20:55, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Resurrection of "permanent dead link" to Reference [4] for ranking in citation impact.
There is a "permanent dead link" ftp://ftp.cordis.europa.eu/pub/indicators/docs/3rd_report_snaps10.pdf in (current) ref.[4] for "[KIT] ranking sixth overall in citation impact." I found the link https://cordis.europa.eu/pub/indicators/docs/3rd_report_snaps10.pdf to work, so I intend to make the change, hope that's OK with WP policies. &mdash; MFH:Talk 09:21, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

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The palace does not belong to the university campus
The palace is right next to the university, but it does not belong to the campus in any way.
 * That's right, I fixed the image caption Aloneinthewild (talk) 18:11, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Merge from University of Karlsruhe
Looks like this was proposed several times before but never entirely carried out, but let's give it another shot. The old article is at this point quite outdated. The University of Karlsruhe doesn't exist as a legal entity any more, it was absorbed into the KIT. I suggest merging all worthwhile content from the old article into here, then turning it into a redirect. BegbertBiggs (talk) - [//de.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:BegbertBiggs de] 17:50, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Agree, I might not be the best person to do it. Is most of the content copy/paste to this article? Aloneinthewild (talk) 18:17, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

✅ Almost all information was just duplicated already. BegbertBiggs (talk) - [//de.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:BegbertBiggs de] 16:39, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Elite?
The term elite used in the introduction seems a bit over the top and sounds odd. The commonly used term in German would be Exzellenzuniversität as in Spitzenuniversität. It boils down to the fact that the university receives special funding and is regarded a university of excellence. An Information that could be added elsewhere in the article?--Catflap08 (talk) 11:39, 13 February 2022 (UTC)