Talk:Karolina Dean

Untitled
added a picture--Leelan 09:45, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Stub
I've expanded this article considerably past a "stub" rating. How do I get it changed? Your friendly neighborhood Booch-Man (talk) 16:19, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Picture
Shouldn't that picture be replaced? Karolina (in her Majesdanian form) now appears much differently in the comics. --Sophora 16:39, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I completely agree. I'll see if I can find a suitable one, but I'm sure that many people will want to keep the current one just for the sake of keeping the current one.

Species
Karolina's species is mentioned briefly in issue v2 #14 as "Majesdanian"

I'm not sure how to fit that in.


 * Added -- Ipstenu ( talk | contribs ) 23:05, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Xavin
In Runaways #6, Xavin says "For us, changing gender... ...is no different than changing hair color." this refutes the idea that "skrulls have two genders". It may be a retcon, but it's in continuity now. Lucky number 49 20:48, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
 * How do you know that he is not referring to his change in appearance only? You don't. Find something that says that he is now female and identifies as female and is not just taking on that appearance, then it's OK to play with gender pronouns in articles. Otherwise, it's speculation. He repeatedly rverts to his male human form, and never is seen as a female Skrull. --Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  ) 06:15, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
 * See the gender article. The quote from Xavin explicitly uses gender (which refers to a social/behavioral characteristic), and not sex (which refers to a biological state). I never said that Xavin identifies solely as female, but it's pretty clear-- unless you want to argue that Mr. Vaughan is a poor student of the English language --from what is written that he also doesn't solely identify as male. Lucky number 49 13:00, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * He first appeared as male, and even after assuming a female human for for Karolina's sake, he repeatedly slips back into male forms, both Skrull and human. He never claims to identify as female, and Skrulls have two genders. And if you really want to discuss Vaughan's use of the Englsih language, the quote you are using uses the word "different" incorrectly. It's "different from", not "different than." --Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  ) 15:36, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * My point is that you're confusing sex with gender. Xavin's natural sex is male, but as a Skrull he is capable of adopting a physical form of any given sex (or none at all). Do the Skrull have males and females? That's a matter of fact, yes. They very obviously have social and reproductive roles associated with each (I have to wonder though, has it ever been stated that they have a sex at birth, or do they adopt one with which they are comfortable?), and it can be said Xavin appears to be a Skrull male when he reverts from an assumed form, since we obviously aren't going to ask for illustrations of him in the nude. However, that bit doesn't actually prove anything, unless I've misunderstood what you wrote. As far as I've seen, Xavin also doesn't claim to identify as male. There's a previous example of a Skrull who assumed female form despite having a male base form (Skyppi, companion of Hercules), and as far as I've been able to find, how he actually identified was just as vague as with Xavin. As for how he first appeared, wasn't he also a black human at that time? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the Skrull have innate ethnic characteristics with direct parallels among humans. Lucky number 49 17:39, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Colour
Should it be mentioned that her power manifests as a rainbow, which is the LGBT flag? Therequiembellishere 03:35, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * No. --Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  ) 09:13, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

"Powers" section?
Should there be a "powers and abilities" section on this page? In addition to her flight and solar powers, would it be good to also explain how her solar powers function? The make up of her powers allows her to store solar energy as noted in her biography and in using her powers, they are usually portrayed as concussive blasts. Have they been shown to light anything on fire or produce heat? Has any evidence in fights shown that her form has increased strength? If so, I think it would be good to have a section on the specifics of her abilities.Luminum 20:52, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Picture changes
I'd like to request a discussion about the two images that are being interchanged for this character's box. In what ways does the image of Karolina in her Majesdian form not meet the image standards? The Bachalo image is a full-size, but I'm not sure if it accurately depicts the character in a way that a reader would understand who she is. The Ramos image is not full-size (sort of) but in my belief exemplifies the character's image most notably in the comics/Marvel Universe. It demonstrates her using her powers, which is a benefit, given that her "human form" is depicted as a rather generic blond female in Bachalo's image that makes it hard to identify the character free of context. Those are just some thoughts. And just so we're clear, I'm not "pulling for one" because I may like it aesthetically, but I want to know what the rest of you think the guidelines should tip for in terms of, what I see to be a toss up between, full-image and better iconography for identification as a reader.Luminum (talk) 03:01, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Quite frankly, I do agree with several reasons pointed out above. I also do believe that the Ramos image portrays her were she is more recognizable as a character, something supported in the fourth guideline regarding images. Another pro, I guess, is that there's a blank background, which centers the character. The one slight issue I worry about is the second guideline, which doesn't quite fit for a couple points. -- A talk / contribs 03:21, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The nuts and bolts is coming down to the bullets in the 2nd guideline. The Bachalo piece hits the point on the pose and lack of obscuring.
 * As for the 4th... correct me if I'm wrong, but don't the Runaway characters stick with "street cloths" not costumes? That makes the "clearly-defined primary costume" hard to fit.
 * Couple of side issues... 1) If the Ramos pieces is used because "It shows the character's powers", then part of the reason for the spot images goes away. And I'm not too sure there's solid justification for them as it stands. 2) which ever of the Bachalo or Ramos images that is kept needs to be reduced by 1/2.
 * - J Greb (talk) 11:02, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree that in essence, the Bachalo image fits the description, technically. But, the Runaways are identified (other than byt heir common civilian clothes) by their abilities. In Karolina's case, her "superhero" form is her alien one.  So in this case, I would say that she's better identified with her very obviou alien form than her blond civilian form.  Oter characters such as Nico and Molly are better distinguished by their particular style of dress (Nico's goth/lolita and Molly's youth and her hats).  Those are my two cents. :)Luminum (talk) 17:23, 13 June 2009 (UTC)