Talk:Kasabian

Line-ups
I beleive that the line up section on this page is both misleading (it seems to claim Kasabian's line up is far more unstable than it actually is) and it clutters up the page. I propose that the line-up section is moved into its own page and a link to it replaces the space it has on this page. Thoughts? Swearingmonk (talk) 08:46, 14 August 2010 (UTC) In the liner notes for the 48:13 release, Tim Carter is listed as a member of the band, playing guitar, percussion, and additional drum machine programming. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.17.207.120 (talk) 05:52, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Requested move
It was suggested that this article should be renamed Kasabian. The vote is shown below:


 * I moved this earlier today, but was reverted, so I'm getting a second opinion. There are 764,000 Google hits for kasabian (admittedly an overcount), 188,000 hits for kasabian album, and 27,000 for linda kasabian (probably also an overcount: "linda kasabian" is much less common). &mdash;Mulad (talk) June 30, 2005 06:21 (UTC)


 * 1) Oppose. Fact is the term Kasabian can refer to the person, band or album of the same name.  Likewise, the U2 and Oasis pages contain disambiguations, altough the respective bands are nevertheless popular as well. --Madchester June 30, 2005 16:19 (UTC)
 * 2) Oppose. Agree with the fact that this term could be used by anyone to refer to the person, band or album. A random student might be looking up info on the Manson murders and type in "Kasabian" (leaving out "Linda"). Cbing01 30 June 2005 16:34 (UTC)
 * 3) Support. A disambig notice at the top of the page would allow people to find the other uses of the word. Not comparable to U2 and Oasis as both of those terms have a number of other common uses. Also, it's common for bands to be at bandname with the self-titled album at bandname (album), eg Kylie Minogue / Kylie Minogue (album).  Vclaw 30 June 2005 19:23 (UTC)
 * 4) Support. I think a Disambig notice at the top of the band page is good enough. Megapixie 1 July 2005 15:26 (UTC)
 * 5) Oppose. don't see the point in changing the existing format which was already feasible, and more presentable. --LeoTheLion 1 July 2005 17:39 (UTC)
 * 6) Support. I could see your point about Kasbaian meaning other things then the band if there were articles on other things but as it is there is just the band.--Josquius 14:43, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

The thing with Kylie Minogue, is that her name is specific; it can only refer to one person or her discography. The same can't be said of bands like Kasabian, Oasis, U2, Live, Spoon, Queen, etc. --Madchester June 30, 2005 19:47 (UTC)
 * But if one meaning is predominant then Primary topic disambiguation is used, with the most common name at the mainpage, and a disambig link at the top of the page. eg Yes, Blur, Keane, Leftfield, Runrig, Squeeze etc. I believe Kasabian (band) is the predominant meaning here (the google results seem to show that). Vclaw 30 June 2005 20:15 (UTC)

I think a student looking up the Manson murders would type "Manson murders" and would click on a link to Linda Kasabian. Megapixie 1 July 2005 15:26 (UTC)

It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved. violet/riga (t) 19:40, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

The album is self-titled and doesn't count. So - we have the band, or half the name of someone. Secretlondon 22:25, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

[Taken from WP:NAME :] "When necessary, disambiguation should be done...". Seeing as the article Kasabian is not actually being used, it is not necessary to disambiguate, therefore it should not be done. -Ally 22:09, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup
The start of this article is really messy. Some of it should probably be split up into different sections underneath the contents. I'm going to have a go at this and if you don't like what I've done then revert my edits, but if that happens I'm going to tag it for cleanup and let someone else do it. Cheers, T. Moitie 15:05, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Album release date
I thought the album was coming out early september, not late august. Can someone please verify this.

Confirmed on Radio 1 that release date is 4th September 2006 Ray 13:56, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

- According to the band's myspace, which is probably the most updated reference to band says 28th August. Quote: "The Empire single is out now in the UK in all good download and realworld stores. iTunes or Napster, for example. DVD and 10" vinyl formats will follow on August 21st.

It preceeds the album of the same name, which comes out on August 28th."

The site is Kasabian Myspace account

Narsamson 20:40, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

HMV and Amazon both state release date as September 4th. Ray 20:07, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Confirmed as August 28th - Myspace clearly is the most reliable source... Narsamson 15:54, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Call to what?
"a self-described 'call to arms'": a call to arms to do what? Or just a generic call to arms, equally calling out to (just for example) neo-Nazis and veterans of the Militant Tendency? (As it stands, the phrase seems meaningless to me.) - Jmabel | Talk 16:58, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Leicester City
They are all big supporters of Leicester City F.C. and their songs are sometimes played before matches at the walkers stadium. - I'm sure one of them mentioned on Soccer AM that he was a Leeds supporter.

Should it be noted?
I think it should be noted that Kasabian is producing the theme song to WWE's Cyber Sunday 2007 Pay-Per-View. 4.224.24.82 17:23, 20 October 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.224.24.82 (talk) 17:19, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Gran Turismo 4
Should we mention that Kasabian headlined the GT4 game for various consoles; a remixed version of "Reason is Treason" appeared also in the title credits for the game... just a thought - Feeder have this described in detail on their article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.2.2.107 (talk) 21:42, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Tense change
The artical stated that 'Fast Fuse' and 'Thick as Thieves' 'will be included in their thir album'. I have edited this to state that they 'are' in fact currently included. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.46.85.126 (talk) 11:17, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Influence
I think it might be a good idea to mention the song Tomorrow Never Knows by The Beatles, which has the very same feeling as most of the tracks of this band. 62.165.236.72 (talk) 12:32, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

"Doomsday"
The song "Clubfoot" was also included in the soundtrack of the movie "Doomsday". It plays during the closing credits.Grodey (talk) 23:06, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Portrayal of Linda Kasabian
This article currently implies that Linda Kasabian was a butcher but she was with the Manson Family for only four weeks and served as a prime witness against them. She witnessed two slaughters and only participated in the second (and only as the driver) for fear that her daughter might come to harm if she didn't. She is also noted for having foiled another attempted killing.

I understand that this article is not really about her but the section that is is currently misleading. 65.38.46.124 (talk) 21:32, 5 April 2012 (UTC)Terra Nova Rubacha

Changed 'Indie Rock' to 'Modern rock'
Since Serge Pizzorno stated - "We've never been an indie band, you know, and I sort of f***ing hate indie bands, I despise that speed of music.".Modern rock is the nearest to "future rock" that he likes to label the band - which is not a recognised genre, of course.Modern rock is a recognised radio format which suits their music as it describes the more accessible end of alternative rock. Read more: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/entertainment/music/news/kasabians-serge-im-no-indie-boy-16044102.html#ixzz24hRT7QxS — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scratchy7929 (talk • contribs) 00:04, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I wonder what more than the leader of the band saying "we're not indie, we don't want to be called indie" people need to actually stop changing everything back to indie twice a week, forever citing some random articles that once referred to them as indie as proof. That's honestly a bit confusing to me. Bellmouth (talk) 23:18, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
 * There's a massive problem with the principle that if a band says they aren't part of a genre that means it's taken at face value. Bands *always* try and emphasise how different they are from every other band. Even the most uninspiring archetypal example of an indie band will likely claim to be combining genres, inventing a new genre or whatever else. That's just marketing 101 and clearly there should therefore be more to the issue than what the band describes themselves as - if they went on record as saying they were a jazz-funk-swing fusion band would we immediately be obliged to label them as such, even though by any objective standard they don't conform to those genres in any sense at all? Clearly not, so by the same token it stands to reason that they can still be accurately labelled an indie rock band despite their own statements to the contrary. 82.26.17.69 (talk) 00:10, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia prefers WP:SECONDARY sources which means the band's own opinion does not count for much. It might be interesting for the reader to know what the band thinks, but the secondary sources will define the band. Binksternet (talk) 01:28, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * They also apparently dislike being called "lad rock", or compared to Oasis, but RSS have done both. So on the whole they're getting off lightly!  (Have to fill up pages somehow, so I suppose it does double duty to describe them one way, then print an interview in which they throw a strop about it.)  "Indie" is granted bordering on the meaninglessly vague, but if anything "modern rock" is worse in that regard.  If it's even distinct as a concept:  "modern rock serves as an indie-driven radio format featuring new, young and recent indie rock bands and artists."  And it's also defined (at least according to our article) in terms of a US radio format, which seems of limited value in the case of a UK geetar band.  109.255.211.6 (talk) 01:37, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Band members
Why are missing the backing vocals members ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.18.117.26 (talk) 20:10, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Tim Carter
There is no official confirmation that Tim Carter joined the line-up as a "full-time" member. However, there are sources stating that he is a touring guitarist. He also doesn't participate in promotional appearances, like photo shoots. And let's take the latest video for "Eez-eh": there are only four band members (Edwards, Meighan, Pizzorno and Matthews) appearing in the video. Please stop adding him as a current band member until there is some actual proof that he is one. —  Ma y ast  ( talk ) 13:13, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Tim Carter is credited in the album sleeve of 48:13 under "Kasabian are...", wouldn't that be official confirmation? The touring members are listed separately. I guess people automatically started referring to him as a touring guitarist because he replaced a touring guitarist, but since he is heavily involved in the production as well he is probably considered more of a "real" member than Jay was. Bellmouth (talk) 22:56, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Reads like a fan article
Some parts of this article are decent enough, but there are a few bits of unencyclopedic language. I've removed one reference (a claim that they are "often seen as one of the best British bands of the 21st century") as it was weasel wording and backed up by the band appearing 13th on a list on a minor website (toptens.com). This could be reinserted by quoting a credible source directly - e.g. if hypothetically speaking Q magazine had rated the band as the 13th best British band of the 21st century then the text should cite the source directly: "Q magazine rated the band as the 12th best British band of the 21st century". Lewdswap (talk) 09:33, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

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Lead: Kasabian or other bands?
Why is there extraneous material in the very first sentence/paragraph about what bands departing members formed or joined? How is that relevant? Such info. might be referred to briefly further down but definitely not in the Intro. Billsmith60 (talk) 19:06, 23 May 2023 (UTC)