Talk:Kasamh Se/Archive 1

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This article needs clearing up - the grammar isn't great, and it tails off at the end. I also think the comments page should be removed. Don't want to do anything though until it's approved by the person who has been managing this page.Kitushi 10:37, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok have re-worded the 'about show' section. Anyone who wants to improve the wording or grammar is welcome to it. The plot bit is going to take more time. I'm thinking about deleting the comments bit, as doesn't really contain anything worthwhile Kitushi 19:15, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Plot and Fansite tags

 * 1) Hi.  I have added both a Spoilers tag and Plot tag above the plot section.  This is indeed too long.  I have never seen Kasamh Se, but this looks to be describing events over dozens of episodes if not entire seasons.  If this is the case, I would suggest someone familiar with the program should find a way to summarize the plot and include headings and such that break it down into manageble parts.  Much of the first this happened and then this happened and next this happened list of events and dialog needs to be removed.  Overly long plots that relate everything not only spoil the story for those who have not seen the program, but it may be a copyright violation, as it may re-tell the entire story.
 * 2) As for the Fansite tag over the Comments section, I should  be bold and remove the entire Comments.  It should not be part of the Encyclopedia entry on this program.  Being a collection of editor's feelings, it is certainly not in a Neutral Point of View.
 * 3) Is there an editor that can prune the plot down to a better size and perhaps provide more on the number of episodes, key events in the story, information on how popular the show is by citing news stories on it?  This would go a long way to improving this article.  Thanks. --EarthPerson 22:57, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I haven't seen the show either so am not going to be able to help with the pruning bit. All I can really do is go through the article and summarise what I think seem to be the main points....but not sure if people would like that. What do you think? Kitushi 23:17, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi Kitushi - If you feel you can summarize it effectively, please do. I came back in this morning and there seems to be an minor edit war over the comments section.  I think that people don't realize that this is an encyclopedia entry on the TV program and not a dicusion forum.  Be Bold!  :)  Cheers. --EarthPerson 19:50, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

well excuse me- some people like others to know how they feel about the show. - you people are just jealous that we come up with good coments. (the preceeding unsigned comment was added by 74.72.162.227 Special:Contributions/74.72.162.227)
 * Thats all very well, but don't do it here. Try a forum hxxp://www.india-forums.com/forum_topics.asp?FID=127 maybe. This page is for discussing improvements to this article on "Kasamh Se", not for discussing "Kasamh Se" itself.
 * And I don't consider death threats against other editors to be "good coments" --Huffers 21:33, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

why did you people deleate Kasamh Se info.? People like to know whats happening you know. i think that you should have the stuff thats happening in Kasam Se.(the preceeding unsigned comment was added by 74.72.162.227 Special:Contributions/74.72.162.227)
 * I deleted the "plot" section because the writing was awful, there were tons of grammatical errors and it wasn't split into episodes. It also violated Wikipedia's guidelines: "Wikipedia is an out-of-universe source, and all articles about fiction and elements of fiction should take an out-of-universe perspective.". --Huffers 20:30, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Current Episodes
Sorry i did not know we could not write scene by scence articles i wont do it again

if you dont mind can i add the episodes that are currently happenig-wikipedia and others i will fix the grammer- please can i ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.72.152.150 (talk • contribs) 22:32, 17 January 2007
 * (I have added the header above to make this more readable.) Please sign your posts with "~" at the end of your post. Also, please make a new section when you need to by using the "+" tab a the top of the page.


 * That said, please feel free to edit the article. :-)  It belongs to everyone.  Please put your addition in a new section.  But remember that this should not be a scene by scene description of the program.  If you can provide a list of major events that have occured over the episodes, that may be best.  But that may be difficult since I think this is a long running series.  Good luck.  I'm sure others will look in on your progress.  But please don't turn this article into list of everything that happens in the program.  Thanks.  --EarthPerson 22:46, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

thank you earth person -- i have added the plot= the main thing that is going in is about Bani knoeing about jai and pia


 * Hey - Is it possible to just focus the plot on key themes that have been running from the beginning of the story? The problem I find with the plot you've just written is that it's very detailed, and starts mid way through the story. You're going to continue adding to the story as the episodes go on, and it's going to end up being a lengthy novel of the serial. Do you see what I'm saying?


 * 1) Yes i do see what you are saying, but as the story will move on i will deleate the old stuff- you okay with that? i would written the story from beginning but, since Miss. KITUSHI deleated everything, besides i wasnt the only person to write the story- some one wrote half it you know, and i didnt see the show from the begginig, i just started wahtching it from June-July. whatnotellin

Just summarise the story from the begininng to now in a couple of paragraphs Kitushi 20:12, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

i would have miss.KITUSHI, but since you deleated everything, i cant summarize it, i didnt watch it from the beginning Miss.KITUSHI!!

Now now. Name calling isn't the way to go. What you wrote is still available. At the top of the page, there are several tabsl Select the history tab - you can then see how has edited the page, when they did it, and what changes they made. You can revert the changes - but I would seriously discourage you from doing that, as you have peeved off a number of people and they're all watching this page very carefully. Take a look at the previous article and take out what you think are the key points and summarise it in an article. Also, I'm guessing that English isn't your first language, so you might want to just spell check what you write (I might add that I do this all the time as well!). Just makes it easier for people to improve on the article if they don't have to contend with a lot of spelling mistakes. Kitushi 20:17, 20 January 2007 (UTC)


 * erm...o..k. Firstly - I'm not the only one who doesn't like the way this article is going. The reason why I've been trying to ammend it (such as deleting the comments section which you were unhappy about) was because this page needed to be cleaned up, else it was going to be deleted. The wiki is meant to be an encyclopedia. This article is more the type you would see in a chat forum based on a program then you would in an encyclopedia. You mentioned earlier that you would delete previous bits as the serial ended. That's not going to work, because people are going to come to this article, and get very confused as to what the plot really is, and who the characters are and what is going on in general. You don't seem to get this point, despite the fact that Huffers tried to explain this to you. He even deleted the whole of the plot because he found it very lengthy and pointless.
 * I don't have the time this week to edit this article, and don't particularly wish to given your attitude on me touching it. However, it needs to be cut down, and only the main points given, else someone will come and delete it all over again.
 * I also don't particularly care whether you think I'm an adult or some kid. I just care that this article is sorted out, and done in a way that I don't get abused for it. Kitushi 23:09, 23 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm the one that erased the plot section, not Kitushi. I even told you it was me.
 * Kitushi uses 'hard words' because she speaks english fluently. Maybe you should ask her to help you write the section on the plot, so it doesn't get deleted again?
 * Or maybe you'd prefer to work on the Simple English version of Wikipedia. It doesn't have an article on Kasamh Se, and it doesn't have hard words either. --Huffers 23:43, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Addition of Characters Section
I've added a character list just to make it easier to understand who everyone is. Please can people add to it. Snookums - I am going to start editing the episodes section in the next few days ... (I hope). I'm going to try to cut down and put only the salient points in, so that this resembles a wiki article rather than anything else. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kitushi (talk • contribs) 19:49, 2 February 2007 (UTC).

I dont mind you editing- thats good. You are back im happy- it was fun as the person stated when were having a conversation about the episodes- its good u're back, now the wording will be better, I am sorry for stating rude and not neceraly important stuff- please accept my apologies I also have fixed the charcter list- I added a few people and made into a proper list, not all names in one line- i have organized it

Hey kitushi- i heard that u were gonna edit that snookums stuff. so y are u not? i sorta c mistakes. and where did the last thing come up from- the attackers?- i think she skipped some details. dont u say that you speak english very good= n that huffers backed u up so wheres da editing? i dont c any. so i guess u r through with it - but still come back- that snookums seems 2 be makin mistakes in writing. From --- BIG SMILES BE HAPPY :):):):):):):)


 * I am editing this stuff when I have the time - I unfortunately have a lot of things going on and cannot spend that much time editing this article at the moment. If anyone else has time - they're more than welcome to edit this article. Kitushi 11:09, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

can u people write something?
can u people write something? no one is writing anything here. wikipedia wats the point of a discussion/ talk page if no one is discussing anything. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.72.145.13 (talk) 17:52, 23 February 2007 (UTC).


 * The point of a discussion/talk page is to negotiate about improving the contents of the article and not a forum for general discussion about the article's subject. It's also weird how you are talking to "Wikipedia" as if it is a person. --Bhavesh.Chauhan 04:13, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Why all the story?
I just wonder why the entire plot of a story doing in wikipedia. It's not a place for stating daily soaps that runs for years. yes it can have a small plot outline. Not the entire story. Why the TOC is so clumsy?--69.88.3.140 12:14, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Im deleting the current episode section. Simply no need for that, what so ever.

thank u 4 participating...i have been waiting 4 some1 2 come n write, dats y i have done a horrible job and stopped writin about wats happin...i havent written 4 about 4 5-9 episodes..i have alot of catching up 2 do..snookums


 * You are not allowed to do any more catching up - it does not pass through the policies of Wikipedia. You can write about your episodes on fansites such as indian-forums.com, on Wikipedia, it is not accepted. --Bhavesh.Chauhan 04:10, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

I just want to say thanks
Please dont change the article. As time goes on you can delete the old episodes but please dont stop people from writing in the episodes. They are trying to help and it is very nice of them to do so. Can i know what date the epiode with Pia seeing Tarun and Bani came on? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.183.236.170 (talk) 15:55, 7 April 2007 (UTC).


 * -- This is an encyclopaedic article. This isn't your "weekly-tabloid-of-plot-info-for-Kasamh-Se", this is meant to be an article and it doesn't work like what you are saying. You aren't meant to add new episodes and delete old episodes. This is not the Wikipedia system. Take a look at some famous 'white' soap articles as an example of how a article about a soap should be like. Here are some examples: 


 * Neighbours
 * Coronation Street
 * East Enders
 * Baywatch
 * Beverly Hills, 90210

'''Adapt the article style here and everyone will be happy. It is a common misconception for many "Indian-Serial-crazed-fans" to just come onto wikipedia and write POV paragraphs of plot info for other "Indian-Serial-crazed-fans" to view. It just doesn't work like that and there are dedicated fansites that do the job of providing plot info such as india-forums.com. Thank You and I hope everyone who's reading this takes it into considerations!''' --Bhavesh.Chauhan 04:46, 23 April 2007 (UTC)


 * -- okay Mr. Bhavesh Chauhan. is that somehow supposed to be racist? Cause I(and so others might) did feel insulted. Are you trying to say what we write is crap and we shouldnt contribute? I take it into considereation but do mind explaining what is the problem?? What makes you upset that us indians who like to watch shows write to enter in daily info? If someone summarizes them ever so often (which people do)?? I dont get why you are getting stressed over about the fact that we do. Yes Mr.Chauhan, some of us are fans and like to write, how does that bother yopu? I am not trying to be rude but just dont get what the whole issue is if someone writes a few thing about whats going on ever-so often?? Us Indians might not want to Amercanize our whole life and Wikipedia is a multi-cultural thing.


 * -- yes i believe dat whatever chauhan is being racist. y should we amerciansize ourselves..u blacks n whites think ure all dat..dat aint true 4 ure info.! please ..stop it!


 * -- Hello, the following 'rant' should be read carefully by all Kasamh Se contributors as it contains some guidlines for writing the article as well as a response to the people who posted messages above me. I did not expect this sort of a response from people; I seriously did not have any intentions of being racist and I don't believe that it was written in a manner that would hurt people's feelings. I am sorry if you have been offended and I was surprised to read the feedback from people. As you might have realised, I too am an Indian and I seriosuly do not understand why and how you are bringing up the issue of Americanizing for the reason that I have no connection to America, I don't live there and I didn't mention anything about "americanizing" your "whole life". I am not getting "stressed" over what you do and I don't think you are writing "crap" since contributors are clearly putting in lots of effort. I didn't say anything or suggest that you should stop contributing either - In fact, I encourage it. It's not about getting "angry" or "stressed" when fans/contributors write about daily information, it's basically that the contributers are writing in a manner that isn't the Wikipedia style + format. This is what I was trying to point that out to the alleged "fans" or contributors. You must understand that Wikipedia is a type of Encyclopedia and must then follow a slightly simmilar format to a paper Encyclopedia. An article should follow a neutral point of view and considering that you mentioned that "some of us are fans and like to write", then it's almost ceratin that there will be some bias within the article. A wikipedia article should not contain every single detail of each 30 minute episode since wikipedia is not a fiction book and writing daily information is just ridiculous. Although a lack of neutrality is not an excuse to delete pages/sections, there is still a limit of what you can write and what you are allowed to write. Wikipedia articles are not collections of public domain or other source material such as entire books, or even for that matter, entire TV serial episodes. In addition to that, Wikipedia is not a directory of everything that exists or has existed so it is clear to say now that writing chunks of episode guides is not accepted.
 * Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of items of information and Wikipedia articles on works of fiction (such as Kasamh Se) should contain real-world context and sourced analysis, offering detail on a work's achievements, impact or historical significance, not solely a summary of that work's plot. A plot summary may be appropriate as an aspect of a larger topic. On Wikipedia, every user is expected to interact with others civilly, calmly, and in a spirit of cooperation. This isn't a battleground and I don't believe I have said anything to hurt the feelings of others. I had given those examples because those were sophisticated and well written articles that could be viewed and used by other Wikipedians as a template to write the Kasamh Se article. If you think I'm racist solely because I had said "white" then that is just silly since those are articles about "caucasian" based TV soaps and I was just stating a fact. Also, If you think I am racist because I said "Indian-serial-crazed-fans" then I'll rephrase the 'term' - "Indian-Serial-Crazed fans". It doesn't suggest that Indians are "crazy" but it implies that a number of contributors are fans that are crazy about Indian Serials - you don't have to be an Indian to be a fan of Indian serials. Think about that for a while. It would be awkward to call me racist if you believe that I am a racist for saying "white" or in particular, "Indian-Serial-Crazed-Fans" because I am an Indian myself and I would have no reason to have racist views against the people of my country or any other race as I do not have any racist views. Whoever you are that has replied to my comment, I must also say that you have influenced the mind's of other people by supposedly exaggerating that I am a mean and racist person by writing sentences such as "Are you trying to say what we write is crap and we shouldnt contribute?" + "Us Indians might not want to Amercanize our whole life", when I never suggested or implied any of those views. However, I apologize once again if anyone's feelings were hurt and I hope that I'll not have to waste my time in the future explaining what my comments really meant. Thank You. (Oh, by the way, Wikipedia isn't a "multicultural thing", it's a multilingual, web-based, free content encyclopedia project. Multicultural and Multilingual are two different things altogether.)--Bhavesh.Chauhan 01:48, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

To the authors of this page
Please read the wikipedia guidelines. Wikipedia is NOT a disussion board. Messages do not belong on the article page. Keep all discussion to this talk page Rimmeraj 00:21, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

== HOW DARE YOU GUYS DELETE EVERTHING OMG THAT IS SOOO MEAN YOU COULD HAVE SUMMARIZED IT == Hope it wasnt Kitushi cause that would be really mean of her to do!!

Yeah. Whats Your Prob if there are a few things written about the story?? That was rude!!! 69.183.236.170 23:24, 22 April 2007 (UTC) Shahidfan

It is somean how people cannot get along. What is anybody else's problem if the current episodes are here for a week and then summarized. Nobody technically owns Wikipedia. I mean guys stop acting childish. Have you seen the article for Saas bhi kabhi Bahu Thi, they have everything and nobody seems to have a problem. Why are people so arrogant? If we just accepted what was reason what is the big problem. okay it's not the neatest thing (sorted out) on Earth. I can understand it(or could till someone deleted everything). now the chating, I dont support. Wikipedia is an information giving site, not a chat forum.


 * Hi There,
 * No one is trying to be arrogant or childish. We are trying to help you get the article to a good standard. I did not remove your information, but I understand why it was removed. I have summarised the original information. Please add in anything that you think is needed. Rimmeraj 00:02, 24 April 2007 (UTC)


 * PS thanks for pointing out the other article that also needs cleaning up. :)


 * PPS complaining on the talk page is not going to help anyone. Wikipedia is for everyone to edit, please remember you do not own this article.

You no what I am really sorry. Not for writing that but telling you about the other article. Now youll just cause problems for more people. Why are you so mean and rude?? I wish I never mentioned the other article and leaved those writers in peace. How is writing stuff causing you harm?


 * We are not being mean or rude at all. We are following the Wikipedia rules. The "stuff" that is being written is not causing us harm, but is violating the Wikipedia policies and is not acceptable. Thank You --Bhavesh.Chauhan 04:07, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

i agree

wat is ure problem? y did u delete all of the stuff written? dis is y i will have 2 get the stuff dat was deleted by someone else, back! ExcuseMe Note: um not a member

There i have fixed the plot and please dont delete it again! i will get frustrated! people want it there n whoever delete it be4, STOP! LET IT B SO! dont delete it..dis is a warning! n u tell us oh..please leave dis article as it is..dont make changes..as if u listened! n y should we listen 2 U! ExcuseMe Note: um not a member —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.72.141.188 (talk • contribs) 22:50, 25 April 2007


 * Hello ExcuseMe, the reason you should listen to us is because we are more advanced members of Wikipedia than you so we know more about what a "good" article is and what a "not-so-good" article is. You should see the Wikipedia policies that I am not willing to rewrite out again since you can view them in the following section. Anyway, do you also realise that you aren't allowed to give other users "a warning" as it is considered as a threat and it is not the way to interact with other users on Wikipedia. A final note - please remember to sign your comments and think out the situation the next you post a comment. Thank You --Bhavesh.Chauhan 04:04, 27 April 2007 (UTC)


 * some people like to know wats going on so please without firther ado..dont delete the comments! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.72.138.111 (talk) 21:11, 1 May 2007 (UTC).


 * It's spelled further. Anyway, what comments are you talking about? If you want to know what going on you can watch the serial or you can go to india-forums.com where they allow that information to be posted. If people like to read what's going on then why do they only come on wikipedia once and then leave, never to be seen again? -- Bhavesh.Chauhan  Message Me ''' 22:17, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Comment from 196.25.255.214
HI EVERY1. I REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO READING THE PLOT LINE EVERY WEEK AND AM VERY UPSET THAT YOUR'LL DELETED IT. IF PEOPLE DNT WANT TO NO WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, TEL THEM NOT TO READ IT. PLEASE REINSTATE THE CURRENT EPISODES SECTION AGAIN. THANKS. KT —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.25.255.214 (talk • contribs) 12:09, 26 April 2007
 * Hi. Please sign your posts.  And please turn off your caps lock.  This article is about the show in general.  If there is an article about episodes, it should be created by season.  There are many examples in Wikipedia of how to do this.  List of The Sopranos episodes is a good example where each episode has an entry in a table and there is a brief sysnopsis.  List of The Simpsons episodes is another, but each season only contains a link to a separate article on each episode.
 * I believe the Sopranos list would be a good model to use. If someone can get the information.  I've looked around and can't seem to find it.  Does anyone have an idea where to get this information or how many episodes there are?  Thanks.  --EarthPerson 15:02, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi EarthPerson. I do have an idea of how many episodes there are. The show started after February 22nd 2006 I think. It replaced Astitva...ek prem kahani and each week Kasamh Se airs 5 episodes. In a month that would be 20 episodes, so assuming the show started on February 25th, there would be approx. 284 episodes by the end of April 2007. A wikipedia article should not contain every single detail of each 30 minute episode since wikipedia is not a fiction book and writing daily information is just ridiculous. Although a lack of neutrality is not an excuse to delete pages/sections, there is still a limit of what you can write and what you are allowed to write. Wikipedia articles are not collections of public domain or other source material such as entire books, or even for that matter, entire TV serial episodes. In addition to that, Wikipedia is not a directory of everything that exists or has existed so it is clear to say now that writing chunks of episode guides is not accepted.
 * Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of items of information and Wikipedia articles on works of fiction (such as Kasamh Se) should contain real-world context and sourced analysis, offering detail on a work's achievements, impact or historical significance, not solely a summary of that work's plot. A plot summary may be appropriate as an aspect of a larger topic. There are dedicated fansites that provide the information of Episode Guides. --Bhavesh.Chauhan 22:39, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi Bhavesh - I'm not saying that everything should be in this article. Please tell me where I said that.  I wish you had looked over my contributions to this article before re-quoting what you did above to me, specifically the bolded statements.  I have been a person trying to help with this article.  You don't need to quote policy to me.
 * If this TV program is so wildly popular, it may be a good idea to have a separate article or articles based on the seasons. That is what I was suggesting when I mentioned both the Sopranos and the Simpsons above.  Did you look at either of those pages?However, it may not be practical with a daily program.  Are their even definite titles for each episode?
 * It may be better to give a brief summary of storylines per season. Is the show divided up that way?  My brief search for an episode guide yielded only discussion forums and I didn't want to wade through any of them. --EarthPerson 22:57, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi EarthPerson. I apologize but my comments weren't aimed towards you. I realise that I had mentioned your username in the opening sentence but that was in response to your question on how many episodes there were. The paragraphs following that which contained Wikipedia policies weren't aimed at you but other users viewing the article for the first time. I realise I didn't display it in the proper manner and instead it seemed like it the paragraph was aimed towards you - there was no intention of doing that.
 * Anyway, I too am keen to make this a better article and understand why you have given links to the Sopranos and Simpsons. In a previous comment on this discussion page, I also used exmaples such as Neighbours, Coronation Street, East Enders, Baywatch and Beverly Hills 90210 not exactaly as examples of how to write episodes lists, but instead good article examples to help authors write a great article about Kasamh Se that focuses more on real-world context, details on a work's achievements and the impact it has. In addtion, Indian television soaps don't follow a similar format to series such as the Sopranos and the Simsons so they don't have definite titles for each episode. They don't even have definite seasons and Indian soaps usually run for a number of years straight. Because of these 'issues', articles like Kasamh Se are hard to write for the reason that they aren't similar to American series. --Bhavesh.Chauhan 01:37, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Rather than seasons maybe consider 'years' as a way of organising the series. Rimmeraj 02:02, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the suggestion Rimmeraj. However organising it by years is a bit awkward since the serial's script doesn't follow through its timeframe consistently. Some episodes only focus on one day while some episodes may skip a week or two ahead. If you mean to organise the "seasons" as years according to what happened in the soap during the year 2006/2007, that would work pretty neatly actually. Yea, I think it's a great way to organise the plot information that everyone desperately wants. If we go ahead with this idea then we'll have to do some reasearch to what happened in the serial from October 2006 to December of 2006 since the plot summary that is there covers March 2006 to August/September 2006. Also I have noticed that the serial airs here in Canada 4-6 weeks later than it airs in India (I noticed this when coming back from a visit to India of Summer '06), so that's another aspect to pay attention to when mentioning air dates. At the moment, I do not know what the episode difference is between Canada and India and probably varies in different parts of the world. --Bhavesh.Chauhan 03:10, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Look you guys arent getting anywhere at all arguing about this article. This is not a chat forum or a place to vent out yor anger. Rimmeray and Bhavesh Chauhan made 2 great points. THis is an iddea i think would work. Let people summarize what's going on in the show by weeks. (1 tiny paragraph every week). When it gets to be a month, someone can summarize it into that 1 month paragraph. For example every week there are 2- 3 lines about what happened. Someone can put together 3 weeks into 5-6 lines. I will. This way it is not sooo long and has flow to it. The rest is up to the writers and the arguers (i dont think that is a word.Aarushi 16:28, 28 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi Aarushi. In response to your first sentence - we aren't exactly "arguing". Anyway, I think you've broken the mold - that's a great idea; it's probabaly the best yet. But if someone does plan to write a summary of what is happening every week, then they must understand that it is an encyclopeadia and should not contain any POV or opinions. If people understand this, then there is no problem and we can go ahead with our "idea" smoothly.
 * By the way, I was just wondering what is going on in the Kasmh Se serial in India at the moment, because I believe there is some episode difference. Over here in Canada, last week Bani had escaped from the asylum and the serial showed that Pia and Jigyasa were behind the 'plan'. Is this what is happening on the serial in India? If there is no episode different then I can contribute to the plot section of the article very easily.
 * Finally, I realise the plot is something on this article that is heavily argued on, but why is there no contribution to other things such as the Cast list, the impact the serial has had to the viewers (the recption) and the history + background of Kasamh Se. All of this information must be needed also to make this a great article. --Bhavesh.Chauhan 19:43, 28 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi again. I have just found a Hindi soap that also that has a list of episodes, probably without definite episode titles, but could be used as a template to write another article with Kasamh Se episodes. List of Dhoom Machaao Dhoom episodes --Bhavesh.Chauhan 20:07, 28 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Yet another way to list the Kasamh Se episodes. I think this is a better format since Kasamh Se's storyline is written by fans by diving it into story arcs. List of Naruto story arcs. Hope this helps! -- Bhavesh.Chauhan  Message Me ''' 22:39, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

I WILL KEEP UPDATING
I HAVE ADDED AN UP TO DATE EPISODE TO SHOW EVERYONE WHAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW!!!!!! HOpe YOU GUYZ LIKE IT!!! IF I DID SOMETHING WRONG THEN I AM SORRY!!!!!! I WILL TRY TO KEEP ON WRITING UPDATES!!!!

so you guys
lyke aparjit/dura or jai/bani better? im with aparajit/durga. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.75.21.243 (talk • contribs)
 * This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Kasamh Se article. This is not a forum for general discussion about the article's subject. Finally, Please sign your comments always. --Bhavesh.Chauhan 21:26, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

come on
whoever bavesh chana or w.e why do you constantly delete all the stuff I add? YOU dont know what a good wiki article is. WE do. YOU probably dont even watch the show. I sumerized one episode and YOU deleted it. and by now Im sure it was YOU- I WILL SIGN MY NAME. EXTREMELY ANNOYED. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.75.21.243 (talk • contribs)


 * Can you please tell me what important stuff I have deleted that you added? Yes, I don't watch the show but that isn't even a reason not to help contribute to the article. You have only made a mere two edits on the Kasamh Se talk page (not even the article) according to this: So i'm assuming you've contributed using another computer's IP address. I see you've made other ridicolous comments on other talk pages saying "Since I have started this page I declare that this discussion can be a forum. It can be about anything from the well-being of this article to discussion on Kasamh se or any other of Mr. Kapoors works. This is not MY page but OUR page". This is totally not acceptable since the Wikipedia guidelines clearly states that discussion pages are provided for discussing improvements to the Kasamh Se article. Please remember that Wikipedia is not a forum for general discussion about the article - it's an online Encyclopedia. -Bhavesh.Chauhan 01:33, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

you know what
I dont want drama. Im just going to leave Kasamh se to you. have fun with it. I didnt mean anything bad. spur of the moment thing i guess. Im going to stop using wiki.

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WHY??
why is the plot for kasamh se deleted? ah, man! this is just stupid!!! If I didnt get what was happening in the episodes on youtube, i counted on this article to help me out. now it's ruined. UGH!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.72.213.132 (talk) 22:23, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

kasamh se plot
Please do not delete the plot of Kasamh Se. This article is after all meant to be about kasamh se and as long as the minor details are not involved it is NOT a fansite. Whoever deleted the plot please dont. It will be put back. Honeygirl111 (talk) 16:23, 14 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I've just removed the entire plot as it was incredibly excessive. Wikipedia is not for plot summaries. You are allowed to have a short synopsis of things in the article, but this article had over 100 kilobytes of information on the plot alone. That's not what articles are supposed to be, and is not acceptable. If you wish to have a plot section, pull some highlights out from the page history and make a new, SHORT, section, but please also try to find some other information about this show. There's nothing here that indicates why this show is notable, for example, and it really needs some more references. Hers fold  (t/a/c) 19:34, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Please stop adding long poorly-written plot summaries. Friday (talk) 20:44, 11 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Any further attempts to re-add the large plot sections will result in a block. They are copyright violations as well as violations of other Wikipedia policies. Re-adding that large a plot section constitutes disruptive editing and will not be tolerated any longer. Hers fold  (t/a/c) 16:34, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Pronita (Bani) married Jai Walia?!
Pronita married Jai Walia. And do you know who Pronita is? Pronia is Bani!! When Meera tried killing Bani a doctor (whom she refers as her dad) found her bleeding. Bani had to get surgery because of all her scars. In Bani's TV lifetime she married Jai about 3 times, now, as Pronita she married Jai 4 TIMES!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.64.35.168 (talk) 16:35, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Cast
Bani-Prachi Desai Jai Walia-Ram Kapoor —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.27.116.177 (talk) 23:28, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Restoring Plot & summarizing it
Hello everyone & Kasamh Se Fans, Mrox2 / Jacob here, I just wanted to let you know that I was going to restore the plot while summarising it day by day but I couldn't do this all alone, so in return User_talk:Yamaguchi%E5%85%88%E7%94%9F reverted my edit and is demanding a summary (short one) of the entire plot, if anyone is willing to help we'd be able to do this together. I know there are many Kasamh Se fans out there and many people who hate but like it for its confusing, complex and laughable yet interesting plot, the story is really great but complex, so the best is to have less details and just the major events and details mentioned. Also for " Yamaguchi", all the references can be found from Indian based TV/Media reportage sites and mainly from Kasamh Se Channel/Playlist on YouTube and other online summaries. I wont lose anything if the entire plot is removed, I'm not doing it for myself, thanks. --Mrox2 (talk) 19:23, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks to all ~ Why delete comments?
So I just want to thank all of the editors... You all did a great job :D but im kinda mad the plot is deleted...

WIKIPEDIA, IT CLEARLY STATE THAT- Please stop deleting comments of others. So why did someone delete my stuuf- my comments- thats is truly unfair to me- someone is breaking the rules here, and you need to find out who and stop them wikipedia.

Hey, you guys might wanna provide a title next time for your comments and provide a signature at the end with the 4 tidles, like mine. --Mrox2 (talk) 19:23, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Very happy - No Sig
I AM REALLY HAPPY THAT THIS PAGE HAS EXPANDED...WHEN I FIRST CAME HERE, THERE WERE ONLY 2 SENTENCES...I AM VERY HAPPY. I WILL ALSO HELP IN EDITING THE WORK IN ARTICLE AS I USED TO DO BEFORE. SNOOKUMS Please provide a signature. --Mrox2 (talk) 19:23, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 July 2015
I request the users to edit article Kasamh Se in the Awards section. I have some reliable sources. For Winners of Sinsui television Awards 2006- Best ONSCREEN COUPLE-Ram Kapoor and Prachi Desai

Best Actor -Ram Kapoor

Best Actress-Prachi Desai

Best Actress in a negative role Ashwini Kalsekar

Most Popular Serial-Kasamh Se

For Winners of Sinsui television Awards 2007-

Best Personality-Ram Kapoor

For winners of Indian Telly Awards 2008-

Best Continuing TV Programme-Kasamh Se

Special Recommendation-Prachi Desai

Vibha Ashan (talk) 10:24, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
 * ❌ - The provide refs (on weebly.com and wordpress.com) fail WP:RS criteria. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 20:46, 14 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello Vibha Ashan, thank you for your comments. Please provide reliable sources, as documented at Identifying reliable sources.  Blogs such as wordpress and community-built sites like weebly are outside this scope.  This change request has been declined until such time valid sources are located.  Regards, [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yamaguchi%E5%85%88%E7%94%9F&action=edit&amp;section=new Yamaguchi先生] 20:47, 14 July 2015 (UTC)