Talk:Katherine Applegate/Archive 1

Her Picture
At least one picture does exist of K.A.A. I think I saw it at animorphs.com. We should have a picture of her here.  dogman15 04:13, 15 June 2006 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dogman15 (talk • contribs)
 * Before you upload a picture please make sure it complies with Wikipedia's copyright policy. ChyranandChloe (talk) 16:44, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Picture, biography.
I added a picture of her I found on a website; however I recognize the picture from somewhere else (probably Scholastic, but I can't be sure), so I'm not certain the copyright is correct. Also, is all this information about her animals necessary? This biography reads like something you'd see on a Scholastic or other publisher's website. shazzledazzle85 12:43 08-28-06 PST —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shazzledazzle85 (talk • contribs) 19:44, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

the books are awesome! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.11.243.109 (talk) 01:22, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Layout
I have cleared out the layout so that it is more sectioned. Calineed 18:27, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Ghostwriters
I remember that K. A. Applegate's ghostwriters are credited and listed in the dedication page, though, unfortunately I can't seem to find an interview or an article talking about that. ChyranandChloe (talk) 22:48, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Neutral point of view
"She's an excellent author, but the last book in every one of her series ends about fifty pages to soon."

Guys, Neutral POV. I agree with this, but it's an opinion, not a fact. It doesn't belong here. If someone were to assemble a section of criticisms of her work and cite notable reviewers which have made these complaints, then it'd probably be fine (although I think Wikipedia frowns on 'Criticism' sections for some reason), but until then, I'm removing this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Quitoon (talk • contribs) 13:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Book List
Are the lists of all the books in every single series necessary? There are links to those series on the page, and the series' articles contain a list of books. The very long lists make it look very untidy. Opinions? 192.91.171.42 (talk) 16:20, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * We are usually against the loss of information, K. A. Applegate's notability is almost entirely measured by the books she has authored. If you want, however, what happens when one section within an article becomes too detailed — we usually split it into its own article, and main link it in the original. Such as starting the article: Books by K. A. Applegate or Novels by K. A. Applegate. ChyranandChloe (talk) 02:07, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Michael Grant
Michael Grant is a Psudonym. His real name is Michael Reynolds. Is this going to be mentioned in this article? Adamjared (talk) 19:38, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes. Needs a citation, though. Piano non troppo (talk) 23:20, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't think so. If People know about Michael Grant, Probably they may know him by the 'Michael Grant'name,not by the real one. Sunaina Sahu (talk) 08:38, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

I need to hire her, what do I do?
This is clearly awesome enough: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxrkkKemBcw Now when do we air the Official Scholastic Animorphs ... anime?-JinzouTamashii (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 04:39, 8 February 2010 (UTC).

Animorphs Collection Picture
Not entirely sure what purpose this picture serves on this page, especially since the collection is incomplete. It has two copies of the first alternamorphs book and no copy of the Andalite Chronicles. If the booklist doesn't belong here then I don't believe this does either. 174.101.181.237 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 03:12, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Works
This continues sections, , and in part.

The list of Works needs at least Any works illustrated by Applegate should be identified and other illustrators identified at least if/where they have been vital (picture books and co-developed series such as The Edge Chronicles). --P64 (talk) 22:35, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
 * dates (publication years) for all that are not also covered in book series articles
 * identification of co-author Michael Grant (and others) by title or by series as applicable
 * identification of Applegate pseudonyms where "ghostwritten" —iirc, ISFDB uses "as written by [name]"

Pseudonyms
About those Pseudonyms: yesterday I added to infobox writer those five identified in sec 2.6. Evidently they expand her genres at least by adult romance novels, per the first listing (quote): Someone who knows her work should expand the prose somewhere, perhaps the lead, and perhaps expand the infobox, to represent/summ/descr her work under all names. --P64 (talk) 02:51, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Harlequin romance novels, as Katherine Kendall
 * The Library of Congress Authorities records suggests to me that C. Archer, Elizabeth Benning, and Katherine Kendall are pseudonyms of Applegate (or perhaps Applegate and a collaborator) and that some works appear in the LC Catalog under those names.
 * Applegate, Katherine
 * Archer, C., 1956-
 * Benning, Elizabeth, 1956-
 * Kendall, Katherine, 1956-
 * The catalog recognizes L. E. Blair in some sense (i can't interpret) and I used one of those records (Family rules in LCCatalog) to specify infobox period 1991-present.
 * --P64 (talk) 18:42, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Does there need to be a distinction between books published under Katherine Applegate and books published under K. A. Applegate?? Rjradic (talk) 23:14, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Publication Dates
I added publication dates according to the oldest version available from Google Books. Some of Applegate's series have been renamed, and the publications are based upon the original series title, though this isn't specified (though I do list the original series name with the series) Rjradic (talk) 23:16, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

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Renaming of page?
Shouldn't this article be renamed to "Katherine Applegate"? While her name appears on some of her books as "K.A. Applegate", it is "Katherine Applegate" on others. But more importantly, she is "Katherine Applegate" on her official website. The use of initials is probably appropriate only in cases where the person is widely known by his/her initials, e.g., J. R. R. Tolkien, but I don't think this is the case here. Or am I wrong? Thanks, The coffee machine (talk) 12:27, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Is there no other opinion for or against this suggestion? Thanks, The coffee machine (talk) 11:45, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Looking further into this issue, I see that she is "Katherine Applegate" on her website, social media accounts, and media appearances. I think this fully justifies the page move, and since no one responded here, I'll take silence as an agreement and go ahead with the page move. Thanks, The coffee machine (talk) 09:13, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

I have reverted the rename. Starzoner (talk) 15:22, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi Starzoner. As you can see, no one responded to my comments on the talk page, so I assumed there are no objections. However, since you object to the rename, allow me to raise the rename proposal following the guidelines for requesting controversial moves here, and let's see where the discussion takes us. Cheers, The coffee machine (talk) 11:00, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 15 November 2020

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: Moved. Wikipedia convention is that, barring extreme cases, we identify people the way that they like to be identified. -- Red  Slash  23:00, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

K. A. Applegate → Katherine Applegate – The name "Katherine Applegate" is used by Applegate herself in multiple places, including Applegate's official web-site and her social media pages (Applegate on Twitter, Applegate on Facebook, Applegate on Instagram). Many of her recent books (including the Newbery Medal winner The One and Only Ivan) were published under the name "Katherine Applegate", as a search for "Applegate" on any of the online book sellers shows, see for example the search results for "Applegate" on Barnes and Noble website. In addition she appears as "Katherine Applegate" in the media, see for example this interview for the Guardian, and this interview for PBS. The name "K.A. Applegate" was used by Katherine Applegate in many of her earlier books (most notably her Animorphs series). However, given the clear preference for "Katherine Applegate" as used in the author's web-page, social media, media appearances, and recent books, I think the page should be moved to "Katherine Applegate" (and "K.A. Applegate" redirecting to it, of course). The coffee machine (talk) 11:03, 15 November 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. — Nnadigoodluck  █ █ █ 11:42, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Per the intro, Applegate is "best known as the author of the Animorphs, Remnants, Everworld…", all of which are published under K A Applegate. Whether she or her publicists like her to be known as Katherine now has small bearing when it seems likely readers (of this article) will know her better as KA. — HTGS (talk) 21:26, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per extensively sourced nomination. The author did indeed use the pen name "K. A. Applegate", which appears on a number of her books. However, her present pen name is Katherine Applegate, as evidenced by her official website, numerous other current reliable sources as well as by the name on the cover of her Newbery Award-winning novel The One and Only Ivan definitively confirming that "Katherine Applegate" is the predominant name for the main title header of her Wikipedia entry. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 09:35, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
 * It seems reasonable to consult the conventions here; and Applegate seems much more analogous to the case of Cat Stevens changing his name to Yusuf Islam than that of Pope Francis. My own personal methodology (thought experiment) is to imagine that I'm looking at the article 20 years after the author's death, in order to avoid a recency bias. In this case, it's hard to imagine that in that future, she is more notable for anything than Animorphs. — HTGS (talk) 02:29, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Cat Stevens → Yusuf Islam or Jorge Mario Bergoglio → Pope Francis are complete name changes while K. A. Applegate → Katherine Applegate is only a partial name change. As explained here, "Animorphs authors Katherine Applegate and Michael Grant reveal they have exited the upcoming movie adaptation. From 1996 to 2001, married couple Applegate and Grant wrote the Animorphs series under the name K. A. Applegate". Thus, "K. A. Applegate" is a joint pen name, such as "Ellery Queen", while Katherine Applegate is the actual name as well as the pen name used by the author herself who has written many works, including one that has won the Newbery Award, under that name and has not used the "K. A. Applegate" pseudonym since 2001, i.e. for nearly 20 years. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 06:53, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I totally get where you're coming from on the use of recent sources, and I don't even disagree that strongly on that logic, but I definitely disagree on the nature of the name itself. K. A. Applegate isn't a pen name for the simple reason that it's her own real name. Yes, they wrote the works together, but they didn't combine names (like Clark McMeekin), nor use a new name (like Ellery Queen), they just used Applegate's name (like JK Rowling) and omitted mention of Grant's. Nor do I see the rules as applying differently to a name form, rather than a wholly new name; and there's nothing in the guidelines to imply that the two cases should be treated differently, Stevens is just the more straightforward example. — HTGS (talk) 21:56, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * In response to HTGS: I disagree with the comparison with Cat Stevens. See, for example, the New York Times book review of "Endling: The Last" from 2018 that starts with the following sentence: 'Katherine Applegate may be best known for the Newbery Medal-winning novel “The One and Only Ivan,” but she is also the writer who gave us the young adult science fiction series “The Animorphs.”' Also, The guidelines you refer to give credit to "reliable sources published after the name change". In recent interviews, book reviews, etc. she is usually "Katherine Applegate". The coffee machine (talk) 07:13, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't disagree; the case for giving more weight to recent sources is clear. My concern is that readers are going to be more familiar with her initialized name due to that being the name she used on the works she's most famous for. (I don't follow exactly why you disagree on the Cat Stevens comparison, but I'll assume you have the same reasoning as Roman, above.) — HTGS (talk) 21:56, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * An argument can even be made that there is sufficient detail for two separate articles — K. A. Applegate and Katherine Applegate. K. A. Applegate, a pen name encompassing two authors, would focus exclusively on the Applegate – Grant collaboration in writing Animorphs, while Katherine Applegate would focus on Applegate's extensive solo career as a writer. Links within each article would point to the other entry for additional specifics.
 * There may not be consensus for such a split, but it would certainly resolve this nomination. Otherwise, K. A. Applegate should redirect to Katherine Applegate since her decades-long award-winning solo career covers far greater territory than her five-year collaboration with Grant. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 05:00, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Roman Spinner, not that it affects this discussion much, but just to note that apparently some of the books written under the name K.A. Applegate were written by Applegate herself, some in collaboration with her husband, and some with the help of other ghost writers.
 * HTGS, with a redirect from "K.A. Applegate" to "Katherine Applegate", and the opening sentence (thanks to a recent edit) reading "Katherine Alice Applegate (born October 9, 1956), known professionally as K. A. Applegate or Katherine Applegate,...", wouldn't that be OK also for a reader seeking for information on the author of the "Animorphs" series? In any case, if this reader will go beyond Wikipedia to her webpage or recent articles and book reviews and other recent media, he or she will encounter "Katherine Applegate" as the name used for Applegate. Thanks, The coffee machine (talk) 15:16, 25 November 2020 (UTC)


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