Talk:Katherine Jenkins/Archive 1

Best-selling?
As far as I know, the best selling classical artist is Sarah Brightman, not Katherine Jenkins (Yes I know Sarah Brightman is not a pure classical singer, she is crossover) but isnt Katherine a crossover artist too?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.219.57.226 (talk) 23:09, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Classical artist
Ho ho ho she is not an opera singer, she is a model with a voice, being promoted wildly at a time when record companies thought that this kind of trash was a better sell than the real thing. Avoid her and buy records by real singers. Maria Helleberg —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.138.229.98 (talk) 21:17, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

 Hype To describe Jenkins as a "classical" artist is, well... like calling Charlotte Church or Russell Watson classical artists. A Wikipedia article should not pander in its hyperbole to the taste of Classic FM listeners and/or Sun readers nor should it reflect their style.

The claim that she is Britian's 'best-selling' classical artist is unsubstantiated. Has she sold more records than Handel or Elgar? Or the various orchestras that have recorded film soundtracks. And who cares? Claims about record sales are generally the preserve of pop singers, whereas classical singers tend to list their rolesGert68 15:03, 2 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, at the very least she deserved some decent recognition. It's (very?) rare for an ex-model to venture into Classical music just like that. And she did work very hard to be where she is today, didn't she? On the other hand, I do admit sometimes her choice of songs is more 'flashy' than musically proper. I mean, sometimes her voice does not come out with a full, 'round' tone, especially in live performances. Another thing is she tends to have breathing problems, no? It's evident, especially in her Youtube clips. If she wants to go to the opera, or at the least to further her career with the likes of Sarah Brightman and Josh Groban, projection is certainly an aspect she should try and improve. The flashy dresses' OK, though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.58.86.15 (talk) 06:01, 4 October 2007 (UTC)


 * It is debatable as to whether she is a classical singer, because her style is closer to that of a crooner. Furthermore, she has never performed a professional concert with an orchestra without being amplified, which is the normal performance practice for classical singers. She is classically trained, but so are many pop singers and many other people who do not work in music or are members of amateur choirs.


 * Precisely! Your clarification was precisely what I was trying to say. There is a vast contrast between the reality about Miss Jenkins and the media hype. Orbicle 12:57, 13 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Like someone already said, she is a Classical singer and sings Classical/Opera music - whats the big deal if she also sings a few Pop songs as well?


 * Katherine herself said in the Mail article on Saturday 26 January that she is not an opera singer but sings classical songs. So presumably that classes her as a "classical singer".Oyster24 (talk) 12:33, 30 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Classical or not, this article reads like a flattering bio that could have come from her own website. Can someone who is into the topic please include some appraisal/critics of her, and describe her relation to the classical music world?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.23.24.137 (talk) 09:47, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

In tonight's interview she said she is a classical singer, not an opera singer. Lkjhgfdsa 0 (talk) 22:07, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
 * This seems to assume that 'classical music' means music, of whatever type, accompanied by an orchestra. It isn't. OMG, this is basically a KJ fansite, isn't it? It isn't worthy of Wikipedia.  Ioan_Dyfrig (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 14:00, 12 November 2009 (UTC).


 * Right then. A model, trash, not a real singer? Royal School of Church Music St Cecilia Award, member of the National Youth Choir of Wales for three years, twice BBC Radio 2 Welsh Choirgirl of the Year, BET Welsh Choirgirl of the Year, degree and teaching cert. from the Royal Academy of Music. Bet she can't even read.


 * I hope you're all going to write in and disclose your own superior qualifications? What? Not musicians at all? That's obvious, musicians have to have open ears. And I'll tell you what about voice production; bel canto died when the microphone was invented. Ferrier, Schwarzkopf and Callas are a bunch of yesterday's hysterical warbling divas, and yer young lady here is the future. Hope she does do opera; I might even listen.


 * After all, why should anyone these days sacrifice true tuning and transparent purity of tone just to prove they can bellow loud enough to be heard at the back of the hall?


 * Don't know what gave you all the idea that talk pages were for snobs' hate-mail, but seeing as you mentioned it.... and yes, I am qualified and no, I have no connection. Thanks for your attention. Redheylin (talk) 15:49, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Katherine has herself said that she is NOT an opera singer but a singer of classical songs. Oyster24 (talk) 16:56, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Mezzo-soprano
Mezzo-soprano is a term which implies opera or oratorio. What operas has Jenkins sung in? Orbicle 10:37, 16 July 2006 (UTC)"


 * RESPONSE - perhaps it is an attempt to subvert the snobbery displayed here. She sings classical music so she is a classical artist, simple. (This anonymous comment was posted by 81.155.84.195)


 * Precision of definition is not 'snobbery'. Katherine Jenkins is not an opera singer; she has never appeared in an opera, and stated on Woman's Hour that she would like to by the age of 30. As she is currently 26, this implies that no one has invited her to do so.


 * Furthermore, Katherine Jenkins' career is irrelevant to the ProjectWikiOpera81.129.108.42 15:21, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

By convention, the term mezzo-soprano never implies anything about whether a singer is an opera singer or not. The term simply describes the singer's range, which is lower than a usual soprano and higher than an alto, with a wider overlap with the male tenor range. It is just a more proper term -- musically, at least -- to describe a singer, such as calling Celine Dion a dramatic soprano or Justin Timberlake as a lyric falsetto tenor. To compare a sorano to a mezzo-soprano is like comparing a teenage girl with a mature lady -- I guess that's where Miss Jenkins' greatest strength is -- her voice is at paradox with her visage. 202.58.86.15 02:21, 9 October 2007 (UTC)


 * This needs clarification. By current convention in the languages of Italian, English, Japanese, Thai, and other languages around the world, if a singer (not the singer's _voice_ but the singer him/herself) is described by a voice type, then the description implies that the singer performs opera.  On the other hand, if a singer's voice is described by a voice type, then there is no such implication.  The editor above fails to make that distinction, yet a cursory review of the singers whoa are cited proves the convention:  Celine Dion is not described as a "soprano":  instead, her voice (or voice-type) is described as soprano.  Timberlake's voice type is not mentioned in his Wiki article, but his would be a clear example of the conventional use of the term.


 * Accordingly, the article should be reworded to clarify three points: her voice type is a mezzo-soprano;  she is not now an opera singer;  but her stated goal is to become an opera singer.  This rewording should be done in a NPOV manner.  Oconnell usa (talk) 16:13, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Award show
Anon edit " the most prestigious award show and concert in the world." Seems POV, who says its the most prestigious - if someone agrees delete that quoteAlci12 16:30, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Trivia
Also why is Joe's Pub referred to as unfortunately named?


 * Removed the strange quote about Joe's Pub, to make the article more neutral POV. Budgiekiller 18:22, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Katherine's poppy dress
I would love to put her Poppy Dress on her Wiki page.

How do I put it in? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikejaysmith (talk • contribs) 03:12, 29 October 2006

Citation for use
"Katherine Jenkins is so pretty, so cute, so wholesome and so winning, it's hardly surprising some people can't stand her. You just don't get this level of sexy innocence every day." Fascinating reflection of pessimism in culture. Alientraveller (talk) 22:04, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * "Katherine the great: Katherine Jenkins". The Independent. 1 November 2008.

Future dates
Detailing selected future performance dates seems unsuitable, as the details may change. People should visit her official web site if they want to know tour dates. Recent Runes (talk) 11:09, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Appearance
KJ's appearance has changed quite a bit during her short career. Is this just down to hair and makeup, or has she had a bit of work done? This would be odd if true, since she was an attractive woman to start with. --80.176.142.11 (talk) 11:29, 10 July 2009 (UTC)


 * In tonight's interview, Morgan asked her if she'd had any work done, and specifically if she had breast implants; she refused to answer. Lkjhgfdsa 0 (talk) 22:12, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Gethin Jones
Why is there no mention of Gethin Jones on this page? KJ is mentioned on his page and it seems odd considering they are living together that he is not mentioned.Kateab (talk) 00:34, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

I agree with you. I don't know why Gethin isn't mentioned - perhaps the fans are jealous! Oyster24 (talk) 16:51, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Birthdate
Did some change her birth date from June 30th to June 29th? I read this article a few weeks ago and could have sworn the date was June 30th then. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.229.132.164 (talk) 03:11, 6 November 2009 (UTC) \
 * Never mind. :)

Award show
Anon edit " the most prestigious award show and concert in the world." Seems POV, who says its the most prestigious - if someone agrees delete that quoteAlci12 16:30, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Trivia
Also why is Joe's Pub referred to as unfortunately named?


 * Removed the strange quote about Joe's Pub, to make the article more neutral POV. Budgiekiller 18:22, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Mezzo-soprano
Mezzo-soprano is a term which implies opera or oratorio. What operas has Jenkins sung in? Orbicle 10:37, 16 July 2006 (UTC)"


 * RESPONSE - perhaps it is an attempt to subvert the snobbery displayed here. She sings classical music so she is a classical artist, simple. (This anonymous comment was posted by 81.155.84.195)


 * Precision of definition is not 'snobbery'. Katherine Jenkins is not an opera singer; she has never appeared in an opera, and stated on Woman's Hour that she would like to by the age of 30. As she is currently 26, this implies that no one has invited her to do so.


 * Furthermore, Katherine Jenkins' career is irrelevant to the ProjectWikiOpera81.129.108.42 15:21, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

By convention, the term mezzo-soprano never implies anything about whether a singer is an opera singer or not. The term simply describes the singer's range, which is lower than a usual soprano and higher than an alto, with a wider overlap with the male tenor range. It is just a more proper term -- musically, at least -- to describe a singer, such as calling Celine Dion a dramatic soprano or Justin Timberlake as a lyric falsetto tenor. To compare a sorano to a mezzo-soprano is like comparing a teenage girl with a mature lady -- I guess that's where Miss Jenkins' greatest strength is -- her voice is at paradox with her visage. 202.58.86.15 02:21, 9 October 2007 (UTC)


 * This needs clarification. By current convention in the languages of Italian, English, Japanese, Thai, and other languages around the world, if a singer (not the singer's _voice_ but the singer him/herself) is described by a voice type, then the description implies that the singer performs opera.  On the other hand, if a singer's voice is described by a voice type, then there is no such implication.  The editor above fails to make that distinction, yet a cursory review of the singers whoa are cited proves the convention:  Celine Dion is not described as a "soprano":  instead, her voice (or voice-type) is described as soprano.  Timberlake's voice type is not mentioned in his Wiki article, but his would be a clear example of the conventional use of the term.


 * Accordingly, the article should be reworded to clarify three points: her voice type is a mezzo-soprano;  she is not now an opera singer;  but her stated goal is to become an opera singer.  This rewording should be done in a NPOV manner.  Oconnell usa (talk) 16:13, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Citation for use
"Katherine Jenkins is so pretty, so cute, so wholesome and so winning, it's hardly surprising some people can't stand her. You just don't get this level of sexy innocence every day." Fascinating reflection of pessimism in culture. Alientraveller (talk) 22:04, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * "Katherine the great: Katherine Jenkins". The Independent. 1 November 2008.

Future dates
Detailing selected future performance dates seems unsuitable, as the details may change. People should visit her official web site if they want to know tour dates. Recent Runes (talk) 11:09, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Best-selling?
As far as I know, the best selling classical artist is Sarah Brightman, not Katherine Jenkins (Yes I know Sarah Brightman is not a pure classical singer, she is crossover) but isnt Katherine a crossover artist too?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.219.57.226 (talk) 23:09, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Appearance
KJ's appearance has changed quite a bit during her short career. Is this just down to hair and makeup, or has she had a bit of work done? This would be odd if true, since she was an attractive woman to start with. --80.176.142.11 (talk) 11:29, 10 July 2009 (UTC)


 * In tonight's interview, Morgan asked her if she'd had any work done, and specifically if she had breast implants; she refused to answer. Lkjhgfdsa 0 (talk) 22:12, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Birthdate
Did some change her birth date from June 30th to June 29th? I read this article a few weeks ago and could have sworn the date was June 30th then. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.229.132.164 (talk) 03:11, 6 November 2009 (UTC) \
 * Never mind. :)

Gethin Jones
Why is there no mention of Gethin Jones on this page? KJ is mentioned on his page and it seems odd considering they are living together that he is not mentioned.Kateab (talk) 00:34, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

I agree with you. I don't know why Gethin isn't mentioned - perhaps the fans are jealous! Oyster24 (talk) 16:51, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Classical artist
Ho ho ho she is not an opera singer, she is a model with a voice, being promoted wildly at a time when record companies thought that this kind of trash was a better sell than the real thing. Avoid her and buy records by real singers. Maria Helleberg —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.138.229.98 (talk) 21:17, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

 Hype To describe Jenkins as a "classical" artist is, well... like calling Charlotte Church or Russell Watson classical artists. A Wikipedia article should not pander in its hyperbole to the taste of Classic FM listeners and/or Sun readers nor should it reflect their style.

The claim that she is Britian's 'best-selling' classical artist is unsubstantiated. Has she sold more records than Handel or Elgar? Or the various orchestras that have recorded film soundtracks. And who cares? Claims about record sales are generally the preserve of pop singers, whereas classical singers tend to list their rolesGert68 15:03, 2 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, at the very least she deserved some decent recognition. It's (very?) rare for an ex-model to venture into Classical music just like that. And she did work very hard to be where she is today, didn't she? On the other hand, I do admit sometimes her choice of songs is more 'flashy' than musically proper. I mean, sometimes her voice does not come out with a full, 'round' tone, especially in live performances. Another thing is she tends to have breathing problems, no? It's evident, especially in her Youtube clips. If she wants to go to the opera, or at the least to further her career with the likes of Sarah Brightman and Josh Groban, projection is certainly an aspect she should try and improve. The flashy dresses' OK, though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.58.86.15 (talk) 06:01, 4 October 2007 (UTC)


 * It is debatable as to whether she is a classical singer, because her style is closer to that of a crooner. Furthermore, she has never performed a professional concert with an orchestra without being amplified, which is the normal performance practice for classical singers. She is classically trained, but so are many pop singers and many other people who do not work in music or are members of amateur choirs.


 * Precisely! Your clarification was precisely what I was trying to say. There is a vast contrast between the reality about Miss Jenkins and the media hype. Orbicle 12:57, 13 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Like someone already said, she is a Classical singer and sings Classical/Opera music - whats the big deal if she also sings a few Pop songs as well?


 * Katherine herself said in the Mail article on Saturday 26 January that she is not an opera singer but sings classical songs. So presumably that classes her as a "classical singer".Oyster24 (talk) 12:33, 30 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Classical or not, this article reads like a flattering bio that could have come from her own website. Can someone who is into the topic please include some appraisal/critics of her, and describe her relation to the classical music world?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.23.24.137 (talk) 09:47, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

In tonight's interview she said she is a classical singer, not an opera singer. Lkjhgfdsa 0 (talk) 22:07, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
 * This seems to assume that 'classical music' means music, of whatever type, accompanied by an orchestra. It isn't. OMG, this is basically a KJ fansite, isn't it? It isn't worthy of Wikipedia.  Ioan_Dyfrig (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 14:00, 12 November 2009 (UTC).


 * Right then. A model, trash, not a real singer? Royal School of Church Music St Cecilia Award, member of the National Youth Choir of Wales for three years, twice BBC Radio 2 Welsh Choirgirl of the Year, BET Welsh Choirgirl of the Year, degree and teaching cert. from the Royal Academy of Music. Bet she can't even read.


 * I hope you're all going to write in and disclose your own superior qualifications? What? Not musicians at all? That's obvious, musicians have to have open ears. And I'll tell you what about voice production; bel canto died when the microphone was invented. Ferrier, Schwarzkopf and Callas are a bunch of yesterday's hysterical warbling divas, and yer young lady here is the future. Hope she does do opera; I might even listen.


 * After all, why should anyone these days sacrifice true tuning and transparent purity of tone just to prove they can bellow loud enough to be heard at the back of the hall?


 * Don't know what gave you all the idea that talk pages were for snobs' hate-mail, but seeing as you mentioned it.... and yes, I am qualified and no, I have no connection. Thanks for your attention. Redheylin (talk) 15:49, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Katherine has herself said that she is NOT an opera singer but a singer of classical songs. Oyster24 (talk) 16:56, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Languages studied
The article currently states that Jenkins studied Italian, German, French, and Russian at the Royal Academy of Music. This makes it sound as if she was educated to degree level in Italian, German, French, and Russian language and literature; as if she could be mistaken for a native in Rome, Berlin, Paris, or Moscow, and could debate Dante, Goethe, Proust, and Tolstoy, having read them all in the original languages. Now, this may well be the case, but I very much suspect that what it actually means is that she took the sort of language courses that would form an opera singer's basic training, focusing on the ability to sing convincingly in the five main languages of opera (the four mentioned plus English), and to interact on a fairly basic level with artists who speak those languages. By way of comparison, I don't claim to have studied Greek, Latin, French, and Polish at university, these merely being languages in which I had to take classes ancillary to my main subject. As things currently stand, this is rather of a piece with the article's somewhat laudatory tone.--Oxonian2006 (talk) 22:46, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree with this observation; the phrase should be removed (because such studies are not noteworthy), or at least be qualified. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 05:58, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Personal life
I'm removing the whole paragraph describing the attempted rape. If anyone thinks it's worth half a line, do restore it, but this is an encyclopaedia not a newspaper report. The moment by moment account of the attack is inappropriate. Ioan_Dyfrig (talk) 17:40, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

RSCM
Only a little thing - but the St Cecilia Award is not 'won'. It's effectively the highest grade the RSCM give out - you earn it by passing an exam which is a short oral exam comprised of practical (singing) tests and knowledge based questions (the lower ones at the time were the Dean's Award and then Bishop's Award, which she would have had to pass to enter the St Cecilia's award). So in fact, she passed her St Cecilia's Award Exam - like hundreds of other female choristers. This item in the article is a little misleading if you don't know what the award is. The scheme has now mostly been replaced by Bronze, Silver and Gold awards. HD http://www.rscm.com/education/singing_awards.php http://www.rscm.com/education/vfl/gold_award.php — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.186.215.171 (talk) 21:49, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Royal School of Church Music Cathedral Singers
Katherine could not have been a member of the RSCM Cathedral Singers from 1990 to 1996 as girls only joined in October 1991. I was at the auditions in Bristol in September 1991 and at their first evensong in Great Malvern Priory in October 1991 under the direction of Mr Bryan Anderson FRSCM, Regional Director. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.1.104.10 (talk) 23:03, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Songs of Praise presenter
On November 14 2010, Katherine Jenkins was the presenter of the long-running BBC programme, Songs of Praise. I am sure this is not the first time she has done this, so can some information about her and "Songs of Praise" please be added to the "television" section? Many thanks, ACEOREVIVED (talk) 17:45, 14 November 2010 (UTC) OK, I have added the fact that she has presented the programme "Songs of Praise" now, following her presentation of the programme on October 8 2017. Vorbee (talk) 15:52, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Television Performances
https://youtube.com/MFDLxQSMDv8 On 30 Nov 2010, then 10-year-old classical crossover prodigy Jackie Evancho sang "Silent Night" with Katherine Jenkins for the chilly outdoor "Christmas in Rockefeller Center" in New York City. They were accompanied by David Foster at the piano. 21:58, 16 January 2019 (UTC) mighty_cricket — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mighty cricket (talk • contribs)

karl jenkins' dauther
is she? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.7.46.7 (talk) 11:12, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

No KLJ2019 (talk) 06:20, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

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