Talk:Kathleen Freeman (classicist)

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 * Kathleen Freeman - Obituary.jpg

"Freeman was gay"
I would incline to remove the phrase "Freeman was gay" or now "According to classicist Edith Hall, Freeman was gay". My concern is that it is referenced to Edith Hall's "How to Conceal a Female Scholar", which only says "She lived with her girl-friend". The second reference by Eleanor Irwin says "She lived from some time ... with her friend Dr Liliane". The references describe Freeman's relationship without labelling it, so it feels like WP:SYNTHESIS for Wikipedia to choose a label. I found a conversation with Edith Hall where she says "There are also quite a large number of what we’re pretty sure are women who loved other women, though how much they knew they did or not is up for debate" and mentions Freeman as an example. It is not an area of Wikipedia I am expert in, so any comments are welcome. TSventon (talk) 22:54, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * , Thanks for the comment, I've removed "gay", and added in the quote about Clopet being Freeman's "girl-friend" - who might have some advice with their Wiki Loves Pride hat on? Lajmmoore (talk) 09:04, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * , I still don't think we need the extra sentence, I think "she lived with her long-term partner" or "she lived with her girlfriend" are based on what the sources say and we shouldn't go beyond that. We don't need to attribute the statement to Edith Hall as she isn't saying anything controversial. I will be interested to hear any more knowledgeable opinion. TSventon (talk) 10:35, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Shall we ask at WP:Wiki Loves Pride, or another project, maybe WP:Biography too? I agree another set of eyes, who are more experienced in writing about LGBTQ folks, would be beneficial to the personal section. I'm happy to post in the project pages? Lajmmoore (talk) 11:09, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * , thank you, I am happy toaccept your offer to post in the project pages. TSventon (talk) 12:04, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Feel free to seek editor assistance over WikiProject LGBT studies. The talk page is pretty active. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 12:43, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I have posted notices at WP:Biography and WikiProject LGBT studies. TSventon (talk) 14:28, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Not officially part of Wiki Loves Pride, but I think I'd have a useful perspective—and generally has keen insights in this area. The key, to me, is striking a balance between WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS/WP:OR and accounting for the widely acknowledged historical trend of LGBT erasure. I think that TSventon's suggestion of "she lived with her girlfriend" is best; it's about as close as we can get with the sourcing we have. Inline attribution/quoting to Hall also works, but to me, it's not entirely necessary. We can't come out and say she was gay, but saying she lived with her girlfriend is verifiably true and lets the readers interpret the sourcing for themselves. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 01:00, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I have implemented my suggestion following TLC's response. TSventon (talk) 09:32, 20 May 2022 (UTC)