Talk:Katy Perry/Archive 1

Miley Cyrus
SHe sung backing vocals for mileys breakout album. Don't forget about that! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Loly-liz (talk • contribs) 19:52, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Provide a relaibe source and it could go on the article 60.234.151.56 (talk) 22:33, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Creshaud Young helped her with the Song " I Kissed a Girl" —Preceding unsigned comment added by SeanPhyscotic (talk • contribs) 15:18, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Have a source for that?-- Terrillja talk  21:55, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Humoristic
Well, whoever put the word humoristic into the article then removed editing rights was obviously having a laugh. Now let's see, shall we use the word humorous ( 28,000,000 hits with a google search, or the strange sounding "humoristic" ( 110,000 hits with a goodle search )?

Humoristic obviously. Why use a word which sits easily in most people's minds when there is a more obscure awkward sounding version to confuse issues.

Just my observation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.187.233.172 (talk) 10:46, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Katy Hudson
The information regarding her first label is incorrect. Katy was signed by Todd Randall who was the AR Vice President at Red Hill Records. Since Katy Perry is the same person who recorded Christian pop-rock as Katy Hudson, the discography needs to be updated with her Christian albums, such as Katy Hudson (album) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.197.236.103 (talk) 04:53, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Musical influences
Only two of the musical influences have proper citations. The rest do not and quite frankly make no damn sense. If you are going to say that a pop artist was influenced by death metal bands like Meshuggah, Cattle Decapitation, and Slayer, you should have a reference. Would an admin please flag this?


 * Please sign your posts on talk pages per Sign your posts on talk pages. Thanks! Feel free to Be bold and flag it yourself. Hyacinth (talk) 23:26, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Hyacinth, thanks for deleting the uncited influences. I would have been very surprised if Katy Perry were influenced by John Cage. Her music (from what I've heard) contains no elements of aleatory, Zen Buddhist philosophy, or indeterminacy. Death metal bands and prog acts like King Crimson were also unlikely.

That said, if anyone does find citations, I'd very much like to see them.Ilike1954rcamodels (talk) 06:54, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Also according to E!News shes dating a new guy from texas. According his a College student. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.193.136.247 (talk) 15:14, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Middle name
IMDB says it's Elizabeth. Hyacinth (talk) 18:06, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Reference #10
Why is reference 10 some random blog? Please, delete that, it's supposed to be a serious article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.56.175.102 (talk) 19:17, 7 July 2008 (UTC)


 * See Cite sources [ Reliable sources Hyacinth (talk) 00:25, 13 July 2008 (UTC)] and tell me what's wrong with citing "some random blog"? Hyacinth (talk) 18:22, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * You mean this? WP:Reliable sources which links to here Verifiability which states: "Anyone can create a website or pay to have a book published, then claim to be an expert in a certain field. For that reason, self-published books, newsletters, personal websites, open wikis, blogs, forum postings, and similar sources are largely not acceptable" emph added-- The Red Pen of Doom  02:52, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It has been removed, but that paragraph said that her songs have raised controversy with the gay community and that she was being regarded as a hypocrite based on one random blogger's opinion, sorry but that is not acceptable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.56.47.23 (talk) 02:32, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Birthplace
The main article "Biography" says she was born in Santa Barbara, but the Background Information box says she was born in Portland. Which is correct? Sachinabox (talk) 18:53, 9 July 2008 (UTC) she was born in LA... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.15.81.126 (talk) 05:19, 23 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Her official site says Santa Barbara, see http://www.katyperry.com/whos_that_girl.aspx Calebrw (talk) 03:26, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Name change
Although it certainly is commonplace for a woman to change one's last name when married, it is not commonplace for a woman who has previously released works under her birth name (Katy Hudson) to then change her name and release another work/album under her new name (Katy Perry). I assume she got married in the interim? This should be clarified on the page somehow, as many readers are probably wondering just why Katy Perry released an album named Katy Hudson. Midtempo-abg (talk) 00:08, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


 * It is more commonplace in certain professions including performers but indeed, it should be explained. Hyacinth (talk) 02:21, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


 * The name Perry is her mother's maiden name, see the bio on the imdb.com profile: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2953537/bio Calebrw (talk) 03:22, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Hudson is certainly her born, maiden name; that much we know and it says so in the first sentence of this article. Then we need to know where she got the name Perry?  I did some searching on media articles posted on the web and nowhere is it mentioned that she is married or divorced.  The few media sources (such as ) that have mentioned her change of name state that the reason is unknown and that there is only conjecture at this point - such as a change in name that went along with the change in her image, plus avoiding confusion with the American actress Kate Hudson.  Does anyone know or find any sources that explain her last name change? Midtempo-abg (talk) 20:39, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Katy has never married. Hudson is her real surname, Perry is her mother's maiden name. Katy changed her name in order to avoid confusion with actress Kate Hudson. She released her first album as Katy Hudson, at which time she was nowhere near as well known as she is now; the actress was not as famous as she is now either. Does anyone know if she has legally changed her name? F W Nietzsche (talk) 00:20, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Thinking of You
I just found the official music video for "Thinking of You"! Is it going to be a single or what? I've searched and nobody's has anything on it! Here's the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OOJaUo0cyE&NR=1 Tcatron565 (talk) 19:26, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Bisexuality
I recently heard that she is bisexual. Is there a source? I checked around but didn't see anything. Of course, I'm blind when it comes to these kinds of things. -Darthjarek (talk) 02:27, 17 July 2008 (UTC)


 * No. Hyacinth (talk) 02:49, 17 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I understand why my recent addition to the categories was deleted (no room on Wikipedia for wishful thinking), but why hasn't anyone struck out the reference to her being bi? 64.209.128.132 (talk) 10:04, 18 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Why haven't you? See Be bold. Hyacinth (talk) 19:55, 18 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Some fool will probably change it back and warn me like that fool JBSupreme did. My boldness has only been punished thus far... 64.209.128.132 (talk) 08:52, 19 July 2008 (UTC)


 * A warning is not a punishment. You shouldn't expect a thanks or congrats for edits such as the following: .  Hyacinth (talk) 04:03, 20 July 2008 (UTC)


 * A warning is only a forestep to proper punishment user 64.209.128.132 - i.e. bannings. You get so many warnings depending on the crimes and then wollop - bans. Mabuska (talk) 13:16, 30 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Hopefully you have a better understanding of the English Wikipedia than you do of English. If you didn't just make this up: how many times would a user have to commit the offense in question before being banned? Hyacinth (talk) 17:11, 30 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Is that understanding English cheek directed towards me Hyacinth? If so hopefully you'll word things more understandably. A warning is not a punishment can be construed as meaning either: your telling user 64.209.128.132 that he was wrong in judging a warning as a punishment, or that you are stating that a warning isn't suffice enough for a punishment. If not then no worries. And to answer your question; depends on the severity and frequency. The addition of Category:FBI Most Wanted Terrorists rates simply as a unconstructive and nuisance edit that Wikipedia provides minor warnings for. There are FAR more serious crimes committed by others that have more serious warnings and punishments for. If this user commits more such petty nuisence edits especially repeating the same ones, then of course he will get more severe warnings that will warn him that anymore and wham bam they get a ban. Or if they commit a spate of very offensive edits then they may get a ban straight off. Mabuska (talk) 22:04, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

I do not think she is because her song I KISSED A GIRL doesn't mean anithing. (Twilight578 (talk) 14:15, 17 April 2009 (UTC))

I added back the examples of the homophobic and misandric lyrics
I got a message from something telling me that adding in examples of homophobic and misandric lyrics were somehow not relevant to a section that discusses how critics have charged her lyrics as being homophobic and misandric.

I truly don't understand that criticism of my change, but feel free to discuss it here.


 * OK. You're taking her - and yourself - way too seriously. That lyric is from Ur So Gay and it's a fun song and that's it. How old are you? 12? You type like a moron, that's for sure. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.227.114.140 (talk) 21:54, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Her lyric, "You pull ‘em down and there’s really nothing there" is a lyric that says when her boyfriend acts "emo" it is as though he pulls his pants down and reveals having no penis. This is an example of the kind of lyrics that critics claim are homophobic and misandric. Having no penis, having a small penis, a man acting as having no penis is a woman, see, that is what critics of hers are calling homophobic.

So I don't know why that edit was reverted and I was told, "as it appears to be unconstructive." It's entire constructive. It gives an example to the reader of exactly why her lyrics are being charged as homophobic.

I also took out the tag. The person that wrote this wrote this. It is his opinion and it IS cited. If you disagree with his opinion, you should either a) remove his opinion or better, b) add in a reference from a person that disagrees with him and thinks such songs would be played. But I am not sure how much sense it makes to add after someone's opinion.

70.1.65.164 (talk) 04:23, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
 * How the hell is "You pull 'em down and there's really nothing there" a homophobic line?? If anything it only belittles her fella by saying he has no manhood to boost about. Whats homophobic about having a small penis or not even having one? Critics read far too much into a line thats just a simple dig at her boyfriend's penis size. Mabuska (talk) 14:09, 19 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Find a source to quote which agrees with you and you may quote it in the article. Until then, this page is for discussing the article and improvements to it, not for airing your opinions. Hyacinth (talk) 06:24, 30 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Please read WP:V - wikipedia does not publish analysis that has not been previously published by a reliable source. The sources in the article do not reference the lyrics that you are including. Just claiming someone on MSNBC said something is NOT a citation. All direct quotes need to be cited. (thats also in WP:Verifiability)-- The Red Pen of Doom  04:42, 25 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Red Pen, I have no idea what point you're making. Scalafani SAID what he said.  The citation is there.   refers to something a wikipedia author writes, NOT to something a quoted source says.  By adding  you are disputing what Scalafani said.  If you disagree with him, remove his quote, or better, add in a quote of someone who disagrees with him.  I've never seen  used in the fashion you are using it, which is to disagree with the quoted source itself!? 70.1.65.164 (talk) 06:02, 25 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Ah, it looks like the link to Scalafani got deleted or lost in some editing somewhere. I've added it back in and removed the citation.  Is that what you were asking about?  If so, sorry I didn't notice earlier the cite had been lost. 70.1.65.164 (talk) 06:13, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

See Words to avoid and Criticism. Hyacinth (talk) 10:22, 26 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree that this information should be included, however, I think the wording is definately loaded with opinion. A section entitled "Homophobia and Misandry" should be reworded to something like "Controversial Song Themes" or something.75.152.139.164 (talk) 23:02, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm sure she's laughing out loud reading everything you guys say about her "homophobia". You won't analyze so deeply a war song would you? Seems we're still in the 19th Century...--Fluence (talk) 00:43, 28 July 2008 (UTC)


 * What is your suggestion for the article? Hyacinth (talk) 01:03, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

What is currently on this article and talk page don't show her as homophobic or misandric. I haven't heard or read all the lyrics of the song in question, but it sounds like it just refers to one ex-boyfriend of hers; that she didn't make any negative statements about men or LGBT people in general. If I'm wrong, please provide examples of some of the exact wording of the offending lyrics. F W Nietzsche (talk) 08:41, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Lyrics
I added a quote from a Chicago Sun-Times columnist who sees positive aspects to the lyrics. Before, the only sources cited had negative opinions, so I thought that another opinion was appropriate.

Likewise the header for that section had been "Accusations of Homophobia and Mysandry" (I think), but I changed it to just "Lyrics" because I think it is more neutral. Could certainly change it to "Lyrical controversy" or something like that.

I thought that in addition to the negative and positive citations under "Lyrics" that it would be good to have a representation of the "who cares, it's just a song" point of view, which I suspect is the majority view of the public, but I couldn't find a source espousing that point.

Also, these lyrics get attacked by the Christian right, too, so it might be proper for someone to cite a Christian right critique of the lyrics, and add more positive citations to balance things out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Uptownnow (talk • contribs) 13:11, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Image?
Was just wondering why the image was deleted? I kinda miss it. Fatekeeper (talk) 15:00, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Because we could not gain approval from the photographer to release it under a license Wikipedia can use - see Possibly unfree images/2008 July 7 for the discussion. --Stormie (talk) 22:06, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

German charts position
'I Kissed A Girl' debuted on the German Single Chart at number 2. --It&#39;s Flo (talk) 12:27, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

The New Gay interview with Katy Perry
Just wondering if someone wanted to incorporate this interview into the controversy section in which Perry discusses her lyrics of "Ur so gay".--CyberGhostface (talk) 17:25, 7 September 2008 (UTC)


 * That is covered at "Ur So Gay". Hyacinth (talk) 23:14, 7 September 2008 (UTC)


 * But if the article is going to be calling her out on her so-called homophobia, the very least it can show her side of the story.--CyberGhostface (talk) 23:24, 7 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Why don't you? Hyacinth (talk) 23:41, 7 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I will now, but I was wondering if someone who's better at adding quotes could have done it.--CyberGhostface (talk) 23:44, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Pronunciation
Is her name pronounced like Kate-ee or Cat-ee ( or )? I assume it's the former but I've never seen it spelled without an "e" (like "Katey") - Estoy Aquí (t • c • e) 11:43, 11 September 2008 (UTC) Its spelled Katy and pronounced KAY tee Japannjbfan (talk) 21:48, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Gay?
she gay? Coz the Bio dont even mention that... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.150.73.85 (talk) 00:44, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * She's not.--CyberGhostface (talk) 02:36, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Zooey Deschanel and Siwan Morris resemblance
Should it be mentioned in the article how much Katy Perry resembles Zooey Deschanel? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.35.232.110 (talk) 02:24, 20 October 2008 (UTC)


 * No, that would be original research Dp76764 (talk) 02:26, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, there are plenty of websites which mention the resemblance (just google their names together). It may not be "encyclopedic" enough to include in the article, but there's nothing original about the idea.  Read the link you provided if you're unclear on the definition.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.35.232.110 (talk) 02:37, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * All blogs, which fail to be reliable sources. Regardless, it's trivial coincidence. Dp76764 (talk) 04:57, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Should it be mentioned in the article how much Katy Perry and Zooey Deschanel resemble Siwan Morris? Siwan played the psych teacher on Skins_(2007_TV_Series) and the resemblance is freaky. (Do a Google image search.) Getting the three of them together for a photo shoot would likely blow my mind. 65.95.113.181 (talk) 00:36, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

I think that they do resemble.. Alot! :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paulalaurenwhitneychrisbff (talk • contribs) 00:02, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Controversies: three-inch blade
So, why was this controversial? Holding a knife in a picture suddenly makes you controversial because it got put in a tabloid? My being a worthless American probably doesn't help me figure out what the real 'controversy' is here. Could somebody elaborate on it more than "holding knife in picture, picture gets posted in tabloid; she apologizes for holding a knife in a picture"? Washii (talk) 06:25, 11 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Obviously celebrities are held to a higher standard in Britain Hell they're too civilized to even use knives there, their food cuts itself! Nar Matteru (talk) 17:31, 11 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Heh, thanks Nar. I noticed you pulled out the controversy in the article too. Washii (talk) 22:30, 11 November 2008 (UTC)


 * The picture made headlines in Britain (not just in tabloids, but please note that British tabloids are very different to American tabloids) and was subject of much debate. It was against the background of a shocking rise in knife-related deaths and an apparent glamourisation of knifes within popular culture. It was assumed that the photo of Ms Perry was an attempt to make her look edgy and "cool", which obviously poured fuel on the flames of the debate. To some it was offensive. To some it was not an issue. To most it was, at worst, a lapse in judgement by her pulicist. But to say it is un-noteworthy is simple untrue, when the same article cites other minor controversy regarding the word "gay" - which are completely irrelevant in the UK. Although Ms Perry is American, and therefore the stories surrounding her are likely to be Americo-centric, please recognise that she is an international star, and Wikipedia is an international medium, and there may be news stories that while seemingly irrelevant to American audiences are not to others. To many in the UK who do not follow music, they will only know Ms Perry by this particular photograph. 193.194.132.78 (talk) 10:55, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * That's partially because Europe is a lot more gay friendly while it is a much bigger issue here (the fuss wasn't about her use of the word itself). On the other hand we still have knife deaths same as you do and nobody here made a fuss. And if anyone in the UK remembers an American celebrity for posing in a picture with a knife five years from now, they really need more things in life to focus on.
 * And...Actually I think the gay stuff is equally as useless and would remove it if it weren't for the thousands of people who would readd it in an instant, with opinionated wording to make her out to be either A) a homophobe or B) somehow trying to make a statement supporting/opposing the gay/anti gay "agenda." And then there's Glenn Sacks who somehow twisted it to mean she hates men. Nar Matteru (talk) 12:45, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Was it a storm in a teacup? Of course. As I mentioned, the majority of people would have looked at it and thought either: "so what?" or "silly publicist". Personally, I thought "so what?". But regardless of your opinion on the photograph, it was big news, did spark debate, and forms part of the general perception of Ms Perry in the public consciousness here; particularly for those who don't listen to her music, but see her in papers, magazines, etc. I'm not pushing for this to be readded. I was just suprised when I came to this article and saw no reference to it, given how big a furore it caused. I didn't realise it had been added, then deleted for being "un-noteworthy"!. I think I am just suggesting to the American editors of this article that the fact you don't know a piece of international information about Ms Perry (or think it is stupid) should not automatically invalidate it. 193.194.132.78 (talk) 13:42, 20 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, see, this is why I asked. The text in the article was basically "picture holding a knife," with no real context as to how it mattered to any particular geopolitical area. Thank you, oh mighty 192.194 IP! No, not sarcasm. Washii (talk) 06:16, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Is she an alto or mezzo - to me, she sounds more like a (deep) mezzosoprano —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.218.249.141 (talk) 00:10, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

WTF is an anti-knife campaigner? What will they think of next?!

YouTube Live 2008 performance
Perry was the opening act for the YouTube Live 2008 event. She entered the stage passing and greeting a few of the other "Youtube phenomenons" who took part at the event, and then performed her single "Hot'n'Cold". During the 2nd chorus, she also pictured a person in the audience using his cam. (Official Video on YouTube). --Kuchmuch (talk) 23:06, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Katy Perry sang as a background singer for Miley Cyrus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakout_(Miley_Cyrus_song)

"Breakout" is a song from American pop singer Miley Cyrus' second studio album, Breakout. The song was originally a demo track recorded by Katy Perry, who also sings backing vocals on Cyrus' version. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.48.219.177 (talk) 01:03, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Lily Allen's statement is factually incorrect
Lily Allen's retort that Katy "doesn't write her own songs and isn't English" is quite wrong because Katy does write her songs, maybe Lily oughta check her facts, and second, what does being English have to do with anything? No offense to the Brits, I have nothing against them, but being English certainly does not place you above other cultures. --Crackthewhip775 (talk) 01:30, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Grammatical suggestion in opening
Parenthetical phrases should be separated by a pair of commas, not only one; subjects and verbs should agree.

She is known for her unconventional style of dress, often humorous, bright in color, and reminiscent of different decades, as well as her frequent use of fruit-shaped accessories, mainly watermelons, as part of her outfits.

Micahfaulkner75 (talk) 00:52, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * ❌ Please format request as "Please change X to Y." Leujohn  ( talk ) 05:13, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Still a Christian?
She obviously was religious for most of her life, due to her very Christian parents. She made a Chrstian album. Is she still a Christian, or has she left the religion? F W Nietzsche (talk) 04:09, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Controversies: spelling
Just a small change:

"Perry stated that the success of British singer-songwriters Amy Winehouse and lablemate Lily Allen more female artists have been appearing on the charts."

Labelmate, not lablemate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sushimonkey511 (talk • contribs) 06:35, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Use of stage name
Since Perry is only a stage name, and not a legally changed, name, shouldn't Hudson be used throughout the article? 74.69.119.32 (talk) 03:19, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
 * From MOS:BIO: "While the article title should generally be the name by which the subject is most commonly known, the subject's full name should be given in the lead paragraph, if known." I'd say she is better known as Katy Perry, so that is what should be used, and the lead starts with her legal name, as per MOS. -- Terrillja talk  03:32, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed, the title of the article can be most commonly used name, but the rest of the article should use the legal name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.69.119.32 (talk) 04:06, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
 * And then the title of the article will not match the rest of the article. With all due respect, that doesn't make any sense at all. That would be so incredibly confusing so everyone. The general consensus appears to be using stage name throughout, see Lil_wayne, Jay-Z, Slash (musician), and Pink_(singer) to name a few. One exception appears to be Sean Combs, who has gone by a half dozen different stage names, and using his legal name is much easier to understand.-- Terrillja talk  04:20, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

New York City?
Is it worth nothing that she's not the sharpest tool in the shed? At Warped Tour 2008 at Nassau Coliseum, during "I Kissed a Girl", she shouted "I LOVE YOU NEW YORK CITY." In case you don't know much about Nassau Coliseum... it's in Uniondale, on Long Island. Hear it nice and clearly here. --24.45.215.203 (talk) 09:53, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

For people not from the NYC Metro area, Long Island is close enough to count... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.160.128.148 (talk) 21:53, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Paternal ancestry
Does anyone know what her father's extraction is? F W Nietzsche (talk) 00:06, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Better yet, is there even a source for her mother's? All Hallow&#39;s Wraith (talk) 22:58, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Alternatively, who cares? She's not a racehorse... Hakluyt bean (talk) 17:54, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Image
this image is realy bad you cant see her face because of the sunglasses. what happened to the old image, it was much better! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.105.126.218 (talk) 08:57, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

"Contralto vocal range"
A little while ago, I took out the line about Perry having a "contralto vocal range," but I see someone has put it back in. I don't think this is a valid fact and it shouldn't be part of the article. The cited source is just some music critic who makes an offhand remark about her "raspy contralto vocals," but I doubt the writer meant "contralto" in the true sense of the word, just seems like a fancy way to say "low, compared to some other pop singers." So I'm taking it out again. Westknife (talk) 07:36, 4 February 2009 (UTC)


 * And, I put it back on the page. Just because you don't like the reliable source, doesn't mean you delete it. Please leave it alone. Tribal44 (talk) 18:31, 4 February 2009 (UTC)Tribal44


 * Well, upon browsing your user page, I see that investigating singers' vocal ranges is a pet project of yours, which is fine. Unfortunately, I also see that you have a history of having a somewhat loose attitude regarding cited sources. Any critical reader can tell that this source should not be trusted verbatim, and this particular sentence shouldn't be in the article, let alone in the first paragraph. Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources Can someone else back me up here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Westknife (talk • contribs) 09:03, 5 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I concur with the above comment. Many thanks,  δ ² ( Talk ) 13:16, 5 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Here is a better source: . I'm putting that on the page instead of the old one. Please do not revert this one as well. Thanks. Tribal44 (talk) 17:08, 5 February 2009 (UTC)Tribal44


 * Thing is, Katy Perry is not a singer with professional/classical training (or at least she doesn't sound like it), and so these categories like contralto, soprano, etc. don't really apply. It seems misleading to say "Katy Perry has a contralto vocal range," because she probably could not sing a vocal part by a classical composer written for a contralto. Your new source is not much better than the old one, I'm afraid. From reading the article, it isn't obvious that the author has any reason to believe Perry is actually a contralto. Often words like this just get thrown around by journalists who don't know very much about music, like they'll just call a man with a high voice a "tenor" without truly knowing what that means. It looks like you are going to obstinately fight me on this, but at the very least it should not be featured in the first paragraph - is this really such an important fact about this person? When people think of Katy Perry, they don't think "Oh yeah, that singer with the contralto vocals." If it's so important to you, then rework it into the article in a more appropriate way. Until then I'm taking it out again. Westknife (talk) 18:24, 5 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I know she hasn't had any professional/classical training. But her voice does go as low. The newer reference does vaguely describe her range, and I'm reverting it once again.


 * Just because you don't think she's a contralto, doesn't mean you have to revert every reliable source there is on it. I do not want an edit war, but please do not revert it again. Tribal44 (talk) 18:32, 5 February 2009 (UTC)Tribal44

(undent) I have removed it for the time being. Until a reliable source is found which specifically addresses her vocal range, this information should remain out. If she is a contralto, then there should a reliable source somewhere saying so. FWIW, I don't know anything about vocal ranges, just don't want to see this edit war continue. -- Terrillja talk  19:21, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Here is another source on her vocals. Now this has to be reliable enough to be put back on the article. Tribal44 (talk) 21:18, 7 February 2009 (UTC)Tribal44


 * I don't think you understand what a reliable source is. You can't just google "Katy Perry" and "contralto" and just use whatever comes up. This is an editorial review of a concert, and it is clearly an opinion piece rather than a journalistic one. Also, as I said before, the end of the first paragraph is the wrong place for this anyway. It is not one of the most essential facts about this person, despite your personal fixation on vocal ranges. Westknife (talk) 09:21, 12 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, if you are so gun-ho about finding a reliable source, then go find one yourself. I do type in the artists name and vocal range, and it does work.


 * As I said before, you do not want to admit she does a low vocal range. She is not a soprano or mezzo-soprano.


 * I'm not trying to pick any type of fight or be a "hard ass", lol. I'm really touchy about this subject because I love Katy Perry as much as you do.
 * Here are some sources I found while on my search today:



Tribal44 (talk) 21:13, 12 February 2009 (UTC)Tribal44

I've added a section on her vocal type. Its not much though. Tribal44 (talk) 21:30, 21 February 2009 (UTC)Tribal44
 * And I'm removing it per WP:UNDUE. A section about her vocal range? Unless she has had a pile of stories about her vocal range and how it is something that separates her from all other artists, it is undue. Even Whitney Houston doesn't have a vocal type section, and she's known for her voice, and has had many stories written about it. And her vocal type is already listed in the infobox.-- Terrillja talk  21:44, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * What about the David Archuleta aritcle? It has a whole section on his, so why can't this article have one? Tribal44 (talk) 02:44, 22 February 2009 (UTC)Tribal44
 * Not anymore. If you find any others with a "vocal range/type" section, point them out to me on my talkpage. They are likely undue and the vocal type would be better suited to being added in the infobox.-- Terrillja talk  03:15, 22 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Ok, will do. Thank you very much :} Tribal44 (talk) 03:18, 22 February 2009 (UTC)Tribal44

Error in the information
In a TV interview that she did sometime in 2008, Katy Perry very clearly stated that she got her GED when she was fifteen years old and pursued her singing career. The article says that she graduated from high school at the age of eighteen, which is technically incorrect.
 * Thanks for the comment, the old ref said nothing about high school, and it appears she did get her GED. Corrected and referenced.-- Terrillja talk  06:10, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Name is confusing
The article's title is Katy Perry.

But the first words in the article are Katheryn Hudson.

Then the article keeps referring to her as Perry.

Her stage name is Katy Perry. Her stage name is not Perry.

Possible changes:

A. Refer to her as Hudson.

B. Refer to her as Katy Perry, not Perry.

I prefer B but think A is ok. Ipromise (talk) 03:51, 27 February 2009 (UTC)


 * B is fine. --Efe (talk) 09:45, 27 February 2009 (UTC)


 * People are usually referred to in Wikipedia articles by their surname. Katy Perry changed her surname part-way through her career from her real name to her mother's maiden name to avoid the public confusing her with a famous actress. In this article, should Katy be referred to as Hudson regarding events prior to her surname change, and as Perry regarding events since then? Nietzsche 2 (talk) 16:48, 27 March 2009 (UTC)


 * So if you read the top of the article, the flipped down to the bottom you would think you were reading about another person? I would not support this motion, based on how utterly confusing it would be for the casual reader. My opinion is one name, all the way through (other than the intro).-- Terrillja talk  18:45, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Need to change photos
The infobox photo hides her face. We should change it/switch it. There are better photos further down in the article Ipromise (talk) 03:55, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Katy Perry and saliva
Not the band. Actual spit. Katy Perry tends to not swallow her saliva when she's singing so she kind of slurs her words in the last verse with a slightly "gurgly" sound. However there are NO online articles noting that. But anyone who listens can hear it. She'll usually have that cute "gasp" expression during breaks in the song (or will do something else) that singers normally would take the time during to swallow their spit. I've watched her perform, it's not just sound effects either. Is there a way to put this on Wikipedia's article on her? Or is it original research? Or is it beyond that, an obscure observation that nobody else made? Or would the nature of this kind of comment look like vandalism no matter how true it is and how well written it is?

PS: This isn't a troll comment making a joke about her or anything. I actually think the "sound effects" from her having all that spit in her mouth sound cool. I just wonder if it can be worked into the article without looking like vandalism because that is an odd topic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.72.221.246 (talk) 10:47, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Uh, unless you can find a source, then that would be OR. Weird OR, but that would certainly fall under novel interpretations and original research.-- Terrillja talk  18:46, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Out Magazine
She wouldn't have been in Out Magazine's Out 100 2008 issue if she hadn't identified as LGBT, would she? -- AvatarMN (talk) 18:25, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Not really. Out Magazine can probably interview whoever they want despite sexual preference. Perhaps readers of Out are just interested in her? Andrzejbanas (talk) 17:47, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, they often interview straight people. But they don't put them in the "Out 100" list.  -- AvatarMN (talk) 06:06, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Travis McCoy
Why is there a picture of him in the article? If readers want to know what he looks like, they can click on his wiki-linked name. They were together for a year or two, they broke up like any other couple, end of story. Justin Timberlake's picture isn't in Britney Spears' article, same for K-Fed, and their relationships with her garnered much more attention than Katy and Travis. -- Wh ip it !  Now whip it good! 01:49, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Movie director Frank Perry
According to Blender Magazine, her uncle was the famous director Frank Perry (Mommy Dearest, etc.) I will link his page to this article, but someone should work that family info into the Katy Perry article and link to his page. Muziki (talk) 05:19, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

hun kan godt lide spinat —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.239.103.14 (talk) 06:44, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Music and themes quote
The section music and themes contains the line Perry described her music by saying, "Someone kind of penned it for me the other day, and I've been using it ever since."[5]' While this quote is duly referenced it has bizarrely removed all meaning from the point.

In the quoted article Perry states "Someone said I was like a mixture of Lucille Ball and Freddie Mercury". Surely noting this and her rationale behind the comparison would be more useful than merely observing that someone else has described her style, without mentioning what they said. "I have that Lucille Ball thing about me where everything looks really great on the outside, rocking that 1940s look, but on the inside there's just something just kind of wrong about me. The Freddie Mercury, which I pale in comparison to, obviously" 81.132.113.97 (talk) 02:37, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Evangelical parents
Katy's parents are Evangelical Protestants (n.b. not Evangelical Catholics which is similar in some ways, but different in many others)

the link should be to

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelicalism

instead of

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelical_Catholic

in the Childhood and Early life section.

Agnokapathetic (talk) 17:14, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Done Celestra (talk) 21:52, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Mangled English
"She is known for...associating outfits with fruits."

"decided to leave schooling"

"a constant fight to capture the attention of her parents off her sister's"

"She rehearsed the songs and performed it to her parents"

"whom she met in a recording studio in New York, on and off for several years."

"in which she co-hosted"

"during when she was in the midst of her solo tour"

and much more that is not so wince-worthy, but still ugly ugly prose.

Sorry I don't care enough about Perry to sweat it further than providing this list.Bustter (talk) 11:59, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Parents
They are very anti-LGBT, and consequently strongly disapprove of her recent work, particularly I Kissed a Girl. Her mother claims Katy is strongly influenced by powerful people in the entertainment industry to (pretend to) be LGBT, when Katy, is, she claims, 'a good, innocent, straight, Christian girl who has been taken advantage of' by powerful people for their own ends. Regardless of how accurate or not her parents' opinion and view of the situation is, the fact that they feel that way is certainly relevant to Katy's life, and, as such, should be in the article. F W Nietzsche (talk) 04:09, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Provide a link to these parental statements, and someone who agrees with you is likely to add it.Bustter (talk) 11:31, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Perez Hilton
The part on the page that mentions Madonna mentioning her and Ryan Seacrest mentoring her should also include Perez Hitlon. He gets more readers than the other two sources get listeners combined. Such as this on March 19, 2008 http://perezhilton.com/2008-03-19-gay-gay-gay or this from late 2007 http://perezhilton.com/2007-11-19-listen-to-this-we-just-wanna-use-your-love-tonight

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.37.226.61 (talk) 20:09, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

More about Katy Perry...
I think this Wikipedia article on Katy Perry could be more detailed... Could you include a little more on her moving story, as is mentioned for instance in the magazine PaperMag.com of this month? 

Perry and Ballard went on to work together for three years -- three very tumultuous years, during which Perry was signed to and then ultimately dropped by both Def Jam and Columbia Records. Three uncompleted albums and over 50 recorded songs later, Perry was starting to lose hope, and she was not even 23 yet. Fame had a way of dangling itself in front of her, only to be immediately snatched away. "I remember living in Beverly Hills," Perry says, "and having a new black Jetta, being very comfortable on my monthly stipend, and my cousin looked at me and said, 'Katy, this can go away,' and I was like, 'It's never going to go away!' And then it all went away. I remember that moment so clearly." There was another point, Perry remembers, "when I would write a check for my rent with fifteen dollars in my bank account and on the memo I would write, 'God, please help.' I would not recommend that anybody do that." During various bleak times during her early 20s, the only way Perry could buy new clothes was to sell her old ones at L.A. thrift store Wasteland. "I would tell people, you know, 'I'm going to have a record out,' but after three years, after being dropped by two labels, people were like, 'You're not going to have a record out, you're a liar and what do you really do?"

One thing Perry did was to go out a lot. "At one time in my life, it was almost a priority for me to be on the scene in L.A., but at a certain point, I was going out and not getting anything done the next day. We'd all go to Teddy's, and I couldn't believe how many lost people there were dancing the night away." For a glimpse into her party girl days, Perry points to her album's surprisingly moving power ballad "Lost" ("I'm out on my own again/ Face down in the porcelain/ Feeling so high but looking so low/ Party favors on the floor/ Group of girls banging on the door"). Read into it what you like.

To make ends meet, she got a job working in the A&R department at Taxi, which had her (a bit ironically) listening to music all day, deciding whether a band had hit-making potential or not. It was while working there, during January of 2007, that Perry received a call from the then head of Capitol Records, Jason Flom, who had heard an old recording of hers and wanted to meet with her. From there, Perry's rise was about as smooth sailing as could be -- she teamed up with Dr. Luke, a producer who had worked with artists like Kelly Clarkson and Avril Lavigne, and recorded an album. Capitol released the buzzy "UR So Gay" on iTunes in November of 2007, the even more buzzy "I Kissed a Girl" in May of '08 and when One of the Boys debuted in June, the album was an immediate hit; by February 2009 it reached certified platinum.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Fred584 (talk • contribs) 05:17, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Thenewgay.net interview
Can someone add more of the interview from thenewgay.net that discusses the song "Ur So Gay". here's the source: http://thenewgay.net/2008/06/katy-perry-new-gay-interview.html The quote from that interview that is used on Katy's wikipage is basically Katy saying that her ex-boyfriend is so lame that he should've been gay. That sounds insensitive if we're only going to use that small quote. Katy goes into greater detail about how she doesn't believe in strict gay stereotypes later in the interview saying she knows "gay men that are more of a man than some of the men [she] slept with." The current quote used on her wikipage gives the impression that Katy feels all gay men are less manly. She clearifies this later in that interview. She also talks about how growing fanbase. Can someone post more of this interview? http://thenewgay.net/2008/06/katy-perry-new-gay-interview.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Floetry Spades (talk • contribs) 17:12, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Lady GaGa
Katy Perry and Lady Gaga are always the battle of fashion and music. We could add the part that Perry say that Lady GaGa fabricated the Hermafrodite Rumour:


 * http://www.allnewsweb.com/page8928925.php
 * http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/music_blog/2009/08/when-katy-perry-calls-you-calculated-you-must-be-doing-something-right.html

XOXO 190.51.161.21 (talk) 19:59, 22 August 2009 (UTC)


 * The origin of this seems to be a comment attributed by The 3AM Girls at the Daily Mirror


 * http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news/2009/08/19/strawperry-115875-21607172/


 * William Avery (talk) 20:33, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Charity
Someone has to add how she won $50,000 on who wants to be a millionaire. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-V_tcnuSSys

Patrolman89 (talk) 17:45, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

GED as a freshman???? Not possible!
Just curious - how is it that Katie got her GED as a freshman in high school when California state law does not allow people under the age of 17 to take the test? Was she a 17 yr old —Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.120.19.6 (talk) 17:23, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

"Style and Image" Section
There are several misspelled words in that section of the Katy Perry article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Metafact (talk • contribs) 04:40, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Her Grandmother
Does anyone know the name of her grandmother? It would be such a big help. --68.61.231.56 (talk) 17:20, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Update needed
Perhaps this article could be updated?

For instance is the following worthy or an Encyclopedie or People magazine? Please remove this.

"In December 2008, Perry apologized to British singer Lily Allen for remarks in which she called herself a "skinnier version" of her, saying she meant it as a joke.[30] Allen retaliated and told a British radio station that she "happen[ed] to know for a fact that she [Perry] was an American version" of her because their record company needed "to find something controversial and 'kooky'" like her.[31]" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.146.2.225 (talk) 07:54, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Associated acts?
Travis McCoy, Lily Allen, Kelly Clarkson, Ashley Tisdale

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_musical_artist Associated_acts This field is for professional relationships with other musicians or bands that are significant and notable to this artist's career.

Probably only Travis McCoy would fit in, even so, he is just an ex-boyfriend. Lily allen is someone she had a feud with and the other two aren't even mentioned in the article. 155.69.192.23 (talk) 08:10, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Zooey Deschanel
I know that on some other articles they do this, but is it possible to mention how alike she and Zooey Deschanel look? It's quite freaky, actually. I'm sure she ( or Deschanel) have mentioned this in an interview we could cite. Browncoat101 (talk) 08:46, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Why? That to me just seems like completely irrelevant fancruft. The only way I could possibly see it as notable is if maybe one of them was mistaken for the other at an awards show or something and there was a big debacle about it... maybe. Otherwise, pointless information really. kiac.  ( talk - contrib ) 14:51, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Knife
It's stated in the "Style and Image" section of the current entry that she posed with a switchblade, yet in looking at the actual photo in question (linked in the footnote), the knife appears to be a butterfly knife, not a switchblade. 192.249.47.163 (talk) 16:24, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Never mind. Upon closer inspection, I retract that statement. 192.249.47.163 (talk) 19:55, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Philanthropy
There was never any such concert for typhoon. It seems to be some sort of publicity stunt by a producer but there has never been any comment by katy herself or her management. I will remove the section from article. http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&q=%22katy+perry%22+charity+concert+typhoon+ondoy&meta=&aq=f&oq=%22katy+perry%22+charity+concert+typhoon+ondoy&fp=15d26c1572a6a0c4 Bozenapolska (talk) 16:17, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Somebody please correct article and remove philanthropy section Bozenapolska (talk) 16:20, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * A quick Google search did not show any credible third-party reports of the concert. I have deleted the section.  Blockhouse (talk) 06:05, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Hair color?
I noticed in the Style and Image section the assertion is made that "...as the music video to "Ur So Gay" shows, her hair is naturally blonde and she dyed her hair and eyebrows a darker color." While I am not necessarily disputing the validity of this claim, the evidence given, a music video, seems insufficient and/or unreliable. Is there any other way to verify this claim? 99.28.253.23 (talk) 23:05, 22 March 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.28.253.23 (talk) 23:03, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Russell Brand
On his page he's called an English comedian, while on this page he's given the more generic title of 'british'. Given the difference in comedy style between the countries on the british isles, is it not better to refer to him as English rather than british, not to mention adhering to a standard. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.75.234.209 (talk) 23:35, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Yes, it is like referring to an American citizen as 'North-American- (which is Canada and the USA). Allow the guy his national identity. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 113.88.15.51 (talk) 07:37, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 71.105.106.173, 12 May 2010
Please change "The first single from the album is titled "California Gurls"." to "The first single from the album is titled "California Gurls" featuring Snoop Dogg" because he also performs on the recording. See this link for reference: http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1638865/20100511/story.jhtml 71.105.106.173 (talk) 13:02, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

"featuring Snoop Dogg" is not a part of the title, it's a performance credit.&mdash;Kww(talk) 13:25, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Matt Thiessen
Katy Perry dated Matt Thiessen of Relient K. This should be added. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.188.54.207 (talk) 01:53, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Not without a reliable source.&mdash;Kww(talk) 02:14, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Lead section
The lead of this article doesnot encompass the whole body, this should be corrected as the article is a GA, and shouldn't fail on such a trivial thing. --Legolas ( talk 2 me ) 09:11, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
 * What should be added to the lead? Jim Michael (talk) 18:24, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Avril Lavigne has recently become a GA so take a look at the lead of that. The lead paragraph should be a brief summary of the entire article. Zylo1994 (talk) 12:39, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Danmihai89, 5 July 2010
I want to add the relationship status with Russell Brand in the Infobox.

Danmihai89 (talk) 20:54, 5 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: There is no parameter for spouse in Infobox musical artist, much less fiancé or partner. —C.Fred (talk) 21:03, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Some types of infobox have a spouse / partner field, others don't. This article uses the Musician infobox, which does not include such info. Brand's article uses the Comedian infobox, which does have said field, which is why she is in his infobox, but he is not in hers. I've never seen an explanation as to why the musician infobox is designed so that spouses / partners cannot be displayed in it. Jim Michael (talk) 16:51, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Katy Perry On Glee
On July 7th, 2010 Glee Twitter Account, UltimateGleeks fulfilled the wish of Ms. Perry to have an official campaign for her to appear on the popular American Television show, "Glee." UltimateGleeks campaign is in the realm of the Betty White, SNL campaign which was very successful. As of now, there are nearly 800 fans that have shown official support for the cause. Per a little research, Perez Hilton, ET Canada, Columbia Records, Yahoo TV, MTV News, MTV Buzzworthy, & the official Glee UK account (UKGleeDVD) have all gotten behind the campaign as well. I think this is worth mentioning. Please include this in the article.

Sources: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Ultimate-Gleeks-Wants-To-Get-Katy-Perry-On-GLEE/111002612281748# www.Twitter.com/PerezHilton www.Twitter.com/ETCanada www.Twitter.com/MTVNews www.Twitter.com/MTVBuzzworthy www.Twitter.com/UKGleeDVD www.Twitter.com/ColumbiaRecs —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.62.226.50 (talk) 23:10, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Something other then twitter or facebook. Spigot Map  12:27, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Royjea, 9 July 2010
Katy Perry's 'California Gurls' is the fastest-rising single released by a Capitol Records artist in more than 40 years.

by

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1641186/20100609/perry_katy.jhtml

Royjea (talk) 03:15, 9 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done  AJ Cham  07:47, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 216.221.94.148, 14 July 2010
editsemiprotected

the article contains the word "Learnt" which should read "Learned"

216.221.94.148 (talk) 20:13, 14 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done Thanks! BOVINEBOY 2008 20:16, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Teenage Dream to have own page?!
the artworks out, the track listing has leaked, can we not have a page as sufficient information about the single and album has been sourced.

the single also deserves a page too!

It should have its own page. With two singles out and an official cover, tracklist, and release date it should have its own page. Here is a link for the official tracklist on Perry's official website: http://www.katyperry.com/teenage-dream-official-tracks-revealed/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.96.178.19 (talk) 15:11, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Scottmillernj, 2 August 2010
editsemiprotected

PLEASE ADD EXTERNAL LINK: www.TWITTER.COM/KATYPERRY THIS IS HER VERIFIED TWITTER ACCOUNT

Scottmillernj (talk) 02:51, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Not done: Not an appropriate external link. That, and you yelled at me (using all caps...). --ANowlin: talk 03:19, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Billboard 200 not 100
Just to let someone know that it is written on the page that her album debuted number one on the billboard 100 when it debuted number one on billboard 200. 100 is for the singles!77.99.40.67 (talk) 22:18, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Dual nationality
Katy Perry announced her intentions to become a dual citizen of the US & the UK after her marriage to Russel Brand:

"http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news/2010/09/03/katy-s-a-brit-of-all-right-115875-22533037/"

Add to the article? Omnisci88 (talk) 23:28, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Katy Perry and Tokio Hotel
Should the small arguments going on between Katy and Tokio Hotel be added to the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.211.132.197 (talk) 17:25, 19 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Tokio Hotel? What for a Bullshit is this!? :-D —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.183.158.83 (talk) 00:47, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 207.10.61.10, 26 September 2010
Correct spelling of "Seseme Street" to "Sesame Street" under Filmography.

207.10.61.10 (talk) 04:19, 26 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done Nice catch! —C.Fred (talk) 04:29, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Would of
Please would somebody correct "would of" to say "would have", which occurs more than once. It makes the article look poorly written with such obvious mistakes. 89.0.64.62 (talk) 21:10, 24 September 2010 (UTC) Thanks. 89.0.151.233 (talk) 12:38, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Genre
Pop rock DOES NOT = Pop and Rock, pop rock is a subgerne of pop! in no way is katy perry rock, just bcause someone sings pop rock doesnt not make them a rock musician, because katy perry IS NOT ROCK —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.139.117.90 (talk) 18:10, 18 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Wrong! Rock is whatever we want it to be. Rappers routinely talking about "rocking out" with their "cocks out". 99.231.241.146 (talk) 07:55, 1 October 2010 (UTC)me

Edit request from Kwesiidun91, 11 October 2010
just want to add a bit more about her ancestry

Kwesiidun91 (talk) 11:20, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Please post the exact request you would like added to the article. Thanks, Stickee (talk)  11:34, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Frequent references to only listening to gospel
I think that the phrase "Katy was only allowed to listen to gospel music growing up, not what her mother called 'secular music'" should be reworded. It is secular music if it is not religious. Her mother did not invent the term. I also think that this article makes too big a deal out of the fact that she only listened to gospel music, which removes some NPOV (i.e. that Gospel music is bad) Also, nothing in the first introductory statement is referenced. 75.69.129.253 (talk) 18:54, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Katy Perry's DOB
Katy Perry's real name is Katy Hudson and is the daughter of Keith and Mary Hudson, Founders of the Keith Hudson Ministries in Oceanside CA.

According to this page on their site, Mary Hudson names her kids and their ages. Their daughter "Katy" is listed as 27 years of age...and who knows when the last time this page was updated?

http://www.keithhudson.org/about-us.html

Could it be her year of birth is really 1982 instead of 84? Or earlier? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.171.183.162 (talk) 10:51, 16 August 2010 (UTC)


 * We generally prefer independent sources over related sources. In this case, Blender says she was 19 as of 9/15/04, so that supports a 1984 or 1985 birth year. It's the birthday that's not overly clear from any of the sources in the early life paragraph. —C.Fred (talk) 14:10, 16 August 2010 (UTC)


 * She celebrated her 25th birthday on October 24 last year. This Daily Mail story features a photo caption which reads: "The morning after the night before: Katy and Russell spend her birthday at the Four Seasons Hotel in Beverly Hills".  Cliff smith  talk  16:34, 16 August 2010 (UTC)


 * The California Birth Index shows she was born on 25 Oct 84. Jim Michael (talk) 09:07, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Updated photo
the photo used for katy perry is starting to get old i think its time for a update —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rats37 (talk • contribs) 15:18, 11 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Only if there is a better free-use pic to add. Jim Michael (talk) 09:07, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Spelling error in the MTV Unplugged section
In the paragraph that starts "During the summer of 2009 Perry filmed a cameo appearance for Get Him to the Greek." They talk about a kiss being cut with her future FINANCE which I think should be "Fiancé"

76.172.90.117 (talk) 08:21, 17 October 2010 (UTC)Jose from Ontario, California
 * Done, thanks. :) Yves (talk) 08:24, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Music Academy of the West
This is the quote in the article:

She enrolled in at the Music Academy of the West in Santa Barbara, and studied Italian opera for a short time.[16]

Are you sure about this? That strikes me as a very odd little factoid, I've seen it backed nowhere else, the Academy doesn't list her under notable alumni, and the only reference to it is a dead link. Can someone check this and/or replace the link? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.54.19.192 (talk) 23:24, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Full name
The official press release informing the public and media of their marriage states,"[Russell and Katy] were pronounced Mr. and Mrs. Brand on Saturday, October 23." Does that mean her full name at the beginning of this article should be changed from Katheryn Elizabeth Hudson to Katheryn Elizabeth Brand? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.161.227.45 (talk) 01:11, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Source? Yves (talk) 01:24, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
 * And how do we know she isn't keeping her maiden name as a middle name? —C.Fred (talk) 21:14, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Record sales
I think it should be mentioned that she has sold over 22 million singles with her first album as mentioned on her official website: http://www.katyperry.com/katy-perry-says-%E2%80%98summer-starts-now%E2%80%99/ and also the over 5 million copies of her major label debut album bringing her total worldwide record sales to 27 million before the release of her second album and singles. I will try find out how many singles her second album has sold and adjust the total.219.89.129.156 (talk) 08:52, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Dont know if this makes a difference but I added up all the certifications of her second albums singles and got a total of 4,264,500 including the first two weeks of the Teenage Dream (single) US sales as it was not certified their. Bringing her total worldwide record sales to 31,264,500 to date excluding the album Teenage Dream.219.89.129.156 (talk) 09:19, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Incorrect date
"On October 23rd 2010, Perry was married to Comedian Russell Brand.Brand, 35, proposed to Perry, 25, in India outside the Taj Mahal, December 2010." Obviously they meant December 2009, since December 2010 has yet to occur. Laelene (talk) 18:13, 26 October 2010 (UTC)laelene

GED test
The article states that Perry passed her GED test right after freshman year of high school. This is not possible; in order to take the GED test, you must be 17 1/2 or 18 years old already when you enroll for it. After ninth grade, she must have been only 14 or 15 years old (she is also born later in the year, in late October). Perhaps it can be clarified? Maybe she took it later, after leaving the school. Like her, I left high school at 15, after my first year, and that has only been a couple years (I'm considerably younger than Perry). I was told by numerous sources GED tests aren't available until you're at least 17 and some months. ★ Dasani ★ 02:34, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It varies from state to state, and most states that have age limits also have waivers.&mdash;Kww(talk) 03:20, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Dasani,you are so wrong. In my state you can take it at age 16.--99.177.250.140 (talk) 00:20, 18 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Perhaps Katy Perry is a genius and was allowed to take the GED test early? 99.231.241.146 (talk) 07:52, 1 October 2010 (UTC)me


 * As a person who has done the same thing Katy Perry has done in the state of California (I was 15), I can tell you that she took the CHSPE [California High School Proficiency Exam {NOT THE SAME AS THE CAHSEE}], which is the California State equivalent of a GED for minors only. Please adjust the article for accuracy.  Thanks and Cheers!SnowOptix (talk) 17:29, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Soccerfrance14, November 2, 2010
{{subst:Edit semi-protected}} Katy Perry has dedicated her new music video, firework to the It gets better project, showing an activism in gay rights. She also said it was her favorite track on her album, Teenage Dream, because it has a great beat and a great message.
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: this would be better directed to the articles on the song or the album. Also, a reliable source is needed for verification. Yves (talk) 05:59, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Katheryn Elizabeth Hudson (born October 25, 1984),[1] better known by the stage name Katy Perry, is an gay male American singer-songwriter, musician and actress.

Use of British English
Am I the only one to find it weird that suddenly there is some random British English in use for a couple of sentences? I can understand calling Russell's mom "mum" since he hails from Britain, but many Americans probably have no idea that a "hen party" is a bachelorette party. And seeing as Katy is American, it makes sense to keep the English usage consistent (organized, bachelorette party, maid of honor):

"...there was one noticeable absence, pop star Rihanna, who organised the hen party, and was tipped to be Katy's maid of honour..." Laelene (talk) 18:23, 26 October 2010 (UTC)laelene
 * This whole article should be in US English; Brand's article should be in UK English. Jim Michael (talk) 10:10, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. 12.41.255.10 (talk) 14:18, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Krissakristine, 28 October 2010
edit semi-protected

Spouse:Russel Brand(2010-present)

Krissakristine (talk) 05:42, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry but it's not part of the infobox's paramters.  DC   T • C   05:45, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The musician infobox does not have a spouse or partner parameter, although I don't know why not. Jim Michael (talk) 10:10, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism
Can anyone guess what's wrong with that line? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.98.74.149 (talk) 14:57, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Just noticed that someone edited the article to say that Katy Perry is a gay male. Pretty sure that's not true... ;-) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.102.254.14 (talk) 15:16, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 99.91.110.91, 4 November 2010
This page says that Katy Perry is a gay male. This obviously is incorrect.

99.91.110.91 (talk) 15:42, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Refresh your browser, it should be fixed now. BOVINEBOY 2008 15:45, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

unbelievable. 12.41.255.10 (talk) 14:17, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Russell Brand
A paragraph about her marriage is at the end of the 2010 subsection of the Career section. That info should be under personal life. I'm not sure what is relevant enough to move there, and what should be deleted. Jim Michael (talk) 10:16, 5 November 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree, that should be under her personal life. Although having it at both places would be fine also. 12.41.255.10 (talk) 14:16, 10 November 2010 (UTC)


 * When an article has a Personal life section, the info should be there. It shouldn't be in a subsection of Recording career, as it is separate from that. Jim Michael (talk) 00:48, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 90.149.49.203, 27 November 2010
I was reading this article, and when I saw the discography I saw something missing. On november 20th 2007 she released an EP, which is called Ur So Gay. I don't know if there's a reason why the mini-album isn't mentioned, but I am a fan of her (katy perry) and I wan't the info to be correct.

90.149.49.203 (talk) 20:55, 27 November 2010 (UTC) Ole Petter


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Ur So Gay is already listed at Katy Perry discography; EPs are not listed in the summary discography here. —C.Fred (talk) 21:56, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Traditional Hindu Wedding
The citation does nothing to substantiate that their's was a Hindu wedding ceremony. The couple's own press release says they were wed by a christian minister. I don't care one way or the other how or by whom they were "married." But a "traditional Hindu ceremony" it was not.24.21.36.196 (talk) 07:26, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Here: http://www.nationalledger.com/lifestyle/article_272635596.shtml, for example.24.21.36.196 (talk) 07:31, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

And here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11613876 24.21.36.196 (talk) 07:34, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, we have conflicting sources. The source cited in the article describes it as Hindu. One of the sources you link above describes it as Hindu. I'm not sure how "traditional" it was, but there definitely was something Hindu involved. We need to wait for someone who knows about Hindu weddings to express an opinion here before changing the article. "Hindu wedding" may not necessarily preclude a Christian minister's presence. Cresix (talk) 17:17, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Joeleob, 1 December 2010
{{subst:edit semi-protected}}

Katy Perry's song "Self Inflicted" appeared on the T.V. show "The Hills". The song was featured on the 3rd episode in 2006 before the release of "One of the Boys". "Self Inflicted" was also featured on Danica Patrick's web site in 2007, before the release of "One of the Boys".

Joeleob (talk) 23:06, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Also, please provide reliable sources for what you would like to see done. Thanks. Yves (talk) 23:16, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Katy Brand
I heard that she has taken the name Brand after her husband last name. Should we change her name to Kate Brand —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.81.40.126 (talk) 18:28, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: Please provide reliable sources for what you would like to see done. Also, place new sections at the bottom of the page. Thanks. Cresix (talk) 18:41, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

http://www.nowmagazine.co.uk/celebrity-news/509726/katy-perry-to-take-russell-brand-s-surname/1/

NOW Magazine report that Katy has changed her name to "Katy Brand"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1336926/Katy-Perry-reveals-wants-Russell-Brands-Ellen-DeGeneres.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

The Daily Mail newspaper re-confirmed this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.168.15.39 (talk) 20:59, 9 December 2010 (UTC)


 * What will she be known as professionally, though, and how will she avoid confusion with Katy Brand? —C.Fred (talk) 21:51, 9 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Both articles are reporting from the Ellen segment, but she never actually confirms this in the interview:

Ellen: Now, should I call you&mdash;do you go by, uh, "Mrs. Brand", ever? Katy: Um, I do, actually, sometimes when people try and get my attention, like, if I'm at an event or somethin' like that, and they want special attention, they go, "Mrs. Brand!", and I'm like *turns head*. So, yeah. Ellen: Now, are you thinking of changing your name at all, or no? Katy: Yes... I am, actually. Ellen: Yeah? That's good! Katy: I'm in the process. Ellen: Well that's fantastic! Katy: Thank you!
 * Until she actually does so, and has finished the legal process, and this has been confirmed, she remains "Katy Hudson". Yves (talk) 22:45, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

We are not privy to the legal documents of another individual - a newspaper interview stating, from the primary source (Katy Perry) is more than enough source we need.

Please update accordingly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.139.24.41 (talk) 14:22, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
 * On the contrary; many legal documents are made available to the public. Regardless, the actual legal document is not required, but a reliable source for verification of facts is, and has not been provided. Yves (talk) 19:38, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

Travie McCoy?
"Perry had a long relationship with Travie McCoy" how is this really relevant? especially in the light of her wedding to russel brand this year?. I'm going to remove it and if anyone has any objections please state why. Cheers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stripy tie (talk • contribs) 19:22, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Relationships that the subject of a biography have had are relevant to their life; hence they are on many biographies. They should not be removed because the subject has since married someone else. Perry featured in the video of one of McCoy's band's videos, so the relationship was professional and personal, hence doubly important. Jim Michael (talk) 07:42, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

fair enough.

Brand
The page has links for Kate Hudson and Katie Perry. We need to have Katy Brand here too. --99.241.201.102 (talk) 02:37, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Not needed on this article, as no-one will search for Katy Brand by typing in Katy Perry. Vice versa may happen, so a hatnote is on Katy Brand's article. Jim Michael (talk) 01:33, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Hindu wedding?
I know the wedding line cites a story in the Times of India, but there is also news of her wearing a grey Elie Saab at http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/25/katy-perry-wedding-dress-_n_773353.html. People.com mentions the ceremony was performed by a Christian Minister at http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20436789,00.html. TOI is a big newspaper, but it could be wrong, considering that right by the side it carried two links to gossip about how they wanted to marry in Japan, then Delhi. PS: There is a snapshot of her wearing the traditional Indian nose ring at some point. But that means nothing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.176.36.108 (talk) 07:46, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Needs tightening
In the personal life section, there are comments by Perry saying she thought she'd marry Brand (or something to that extent) but there's no flow in the text, with the next line about their wedding. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 22:26, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Change name to Brand?
Cmcalpine has added text to indicate a change of name to Brand. This is not discussed in the body of the article and Pine has not supplied a source to support the name change. --BwB (talk) 13:00, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
 * As far as I'm aware, there has not yet been a legal name change. She has discussed it, but we would need reliable sources if and when it happens. There is a discussion in the archive that talked about the same thing, as well. Yves (talk) 14:40, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Working by WP:COMMONNAME rules, we should keep the article as Katy Perry until she is regularly known as Katy Brand (which would of course cause problems with Katy Brand). Katy Perry is a stagename anyway, if we wanted to go by real name the article would have been Katheryn Hudson. -mattbuck (Talk) 14:47, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree with this, but I don't think the name of the article was the issue here. Yves (talk) 15:08, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Not the article name, but the lead saying here name is Katy Brand. Agree with Yvesnimo to keep as is for now and then change to Brand if she legally changes her name and we have sources. --BwB (talk) 16:03, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
 * What source says she's taken his name, though? Just because they're married does not mean that she's automatically changed it. We should not assume she has changed her last name; we should leave it as Hudson until we can verify the change. —C.Fred (talk) 17:03, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Contralto claim is false
Please change the statement indicating that Katy has a contralto range. The top of that range is the B flat above middle C. She frequently sings, in full chest voice, the E flat above C2 (octave above middle C) in the song Firework (which is in A flat).

Please change this. It is inaccurate. 75.72.6.70 (talk) 18:01, 25 February 2011 (UTC) heashon2000


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Although the link is currently dead, the claim of a contralto range goes back to a story published by MTV Asia. To change it, we need a source published somewhere that says otherwise about her range. To change this based on what we hear in her songs would be original research. —C.Fred (talk) 18:36, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Also, Katy Perry is a contralto because she can sing very low notes. The beginning of Firework is very low, and Thinking of You is also very low. Firework is actually out of her range, but she tries to belt it out. So she is a contralto, with a wide range, as sopranos usually cannot hit those notes, or have a hard time hitting them. -Peterbrabel — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peterbrabel (talk • contribs) 18:29, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

This is incredible that one guy/gal says "To change this base on what we hear in her songs would be original research" and then another guy try to support that claim by saying "Katy Perry is a contralto because she can sing very low notes". That's completely unspecific. My claim IS specific. The lowest note Katy sings in Firework is an A-flat, a minor 3rd above the lowest note of the range described in the [contralto] article. My claim is not only also based on what "we" hear, it's also based on what's been published. But I guess Wiki isn't set up for musical integrity then.

Also, Peterbrabel, Firework is NOT out of Katy Perry's range because "she tries to belt it out". She successfully (not tries) sings it as a mainstay on her current tour and had done so on several guest appearances including this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2Zd5-sTvV0&feature=relmfu.

As for my claim, I can see no one here cares enough to validate this simply by citing the sheet music and reading the definition on [contralto]. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.72.6.70 (talk) 18:39, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

The MTV Asia article is wrong. She's a mezzo. Trust me I've been a band director for 30 years this July. If it's original research to change it to mezzo like it should be, then we should just remove the vocal range claim all together. The site itself doesn't even work. Irviding (talk) 23:41, 3 May 2011 (UTC)