Talk:Katy Perry/Archive 5

Too much emphasis on #1s?
The 2nd paragraph says this: "In April 2007, Perry signed a deal with Capitol Records. She rose to fame in 2008 with the release of the single "I Kissed a Girl" from her second album, One of the Boys. Perry's third album, Teenage Dream (2010), was preceded by the U.S. Billboard Hot 100 chart-topping singles "California Gurls" and "Teenage Dream", and later produced the number-one singles "Firework", "E.T.", and "Last Friday Night (T.G.I.F.)". The album became the first by a female artist to produce five number-one Billboard Hot 100 songs, and the second overall after Michael Jackson's album Bad (1987). In March 2012, she reissued the album as Teenage Dream: The Complete Confection, which produced the number-one single "Part of Me". Her fourth album, Prism, was released in 2013 and included the number-one singles "Roar" and "Dark Horse".

It bothers me how people act as if any non-#1 song by Katy Perry or Michael Jackson doesn't exist, and no other artists are held to that same standard. Plus, this ignores that there are many other charts besides Hot 100. And, it ignores the fact that having a #1 song is as much about luck as actual sales. "Hot n Cold" sold far more copies than "I Kissed a Girl" but was never #1 on the Billboard Hot 100 chart, although it was #1 on the Adult Top 40 chart. Since we mention the 5 #1 singles from "Teenage Dream", we should probably also mention the 6th, "The One That Got Away", which was #1 on the Adult Top 40 chart and the Hot Dance Club chart (and set a record on both charts). Otherwise, it sounds like the album had only 5 singles. The Complete Confection also had "Wide Awake", which sold far more copies than "Part of Me" but was never #1 on the Billboard Hot 100 chart, although it was #1 on the Adult Top 40 chart and the Hot Dance Club chart.

In any case, I do realize that it's not the place to list every single released by Katy. And I realize that "I Kissed a Girl" deserves a mention being the song that made her famous. And I realize that her defining accomplishment is the 5 #1 singles from "Teenage Dream" so that deserves a mention. But the way it's written makes it sound like "One of the Boys" had only 1 single, Teenage Dream had only 5 singles, Complete Confection had only 1 single, and Prism had only 2 singles. I think it should somehow be reworded. It's probably not the place to list every one of her singles, but maybe include the number of singles from each album, and only list the ones that are historically significant ("I Kissed a Girl", maybe "Hot n Cold", and the 5 #1's from "Teenage Dream"). Also, when referring to #1 singles, it should probably mention that it's referring to Billboard Hot 100 #1's only. Otherwise, nearly every single that Katy has released can count as a #1 single, since nearly every one has been #1 on a chart. Mitsguy2001 (talk) 04:47, 23 October 2014 (UTC)


 * The lead originally had songs like Hot n Cold and Waking Up In Vegas as well, but I was previously advised earlier this year when trying to improve the article to avoid clutter and keep focus on the most prominent singles, which were the #1's. Apparently it was too bloated at first. However, the lead section of her discography page makes note of successful non-number one singles. As for Billboard, I suppose the reason that's given most emphasis is because she's American. If she were Canadian for example, it would focus on Canadian chartings.  Snuggums ( talk  /  edits ) 05:01, 23 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Although, as I said, her #1 singles were not necessarily her best selling singles. And, the Billboard Hot 100 chart isn't the only Billboard chart.  I am going to edit it to make it clear that she has other singles besides the #1's.  Feel free to edit it further if you don't like what I do.  Mitsguy2001 (talk) 05:37, 23 October 2014 (UTC)


 * There are sales, but those are briefly summed up in third paragraph on lead and discussed further on discography page as well as individual song articles. I am aware that Hot 100 isn't the only Billboard chart, but it is the main US chart. If adding any singles, I would just add Hot n Cold, The One That Got Away, and Wide Awake, as those were the most prominent singles that didn't reach #1 in the United States.  Snuggums ( talk  /  edits ) 05:43, 23 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Ok, I added those 3 singles (I actually added them before I read your response). Feel free to edit if you don't exactly like what I said.  Mitsguy2001 (talk) 05:45, 23 October 2014 (UTC)


 * I've fiddled around with it somewhat, let's see what others think of the new lead.  Snuggums ( talk  /  edits ) 05:50, 23 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Looks good to me. Thank you.  Mitsguy2001 (talk) 05:53, 23 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Happy to help :)  Snuggums ( talk  /  edits ) 05:56, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Genre
A while ago, Christian was listed as a genre, and it was removed. I made the argument that Christian should remain as a genre, but the consensus did not agree with me (I respect that consensus, although I do not agree with it). In addition to "Katy Hudson", several of her mainstream songs do include Christian / spiritual influence. Should maybe "inspirational" be added as a genre? Is that a genre accepted by Wikipedia? Many of her mainstream songs, including some of her biggest hits, are of an inspirational nature, even if they don't deal with explicitly Christian themes. Or is that not acceptable as a genre? Or can Christian even be added back? Mitsguy2001 (talk) 05:57, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I get where you're coming from, but am not sure about such an addition. Generally, articles tend to list genres an artist or group is primarily/prominently known for. It looks like one album alone isn't enough, and remember influence ≠ genre. I don't think "Inspirational" is used as a genre, anyway.  Snuggums ( talk  /  edits ) 06:01, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

How do we define "successful singles"
Another editor seems to keep using the term "successful singles" in the intro of the article. Does Wikipedia have any official policy as to what counts as "successful"? I would have thought that any Top 40 single would be "successful". Is it really fair to hold Katy Perry to a higher standard? Even "Waking Up I Vegas" isn't mentioned, which was #9. Also, nearly every one of her singles has been #1 on the Hot Dance Club chart. Shouldn't they count as "successful". I do realize that the intent is to mention her best known songs. But if that is the intent, a more specific term than "successful" should be used. Unless of course Wikipedia has an actual standard as to what counts as "successful" that is applied equally to every artist. Mitsguy2001 (talk) 02:57, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Based on other articles I've seen,, "successful" seems to certainly include those in the top ten from a broad range of regions outside of the United States. It can also potentially be used to avoid repetition of positions. I'm open to adjusting it to something else, though. What term would you have in mind? "Waking Up In Vegas" was at one point mentioned in the lead, but I previously was advised to scrap that as it wasn't among her best-known work when trying to improve the article.  Snuggums ( talk  /  edits ) 03:33, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Maybe say something like it is "best known for" those singles if you absolutely do not want to mention the chart position or list all of the singles. It's ridiculous to say songs like "Unconditionally" were not successful when most artists can only dream of having a song chart that high.  It seems that Katy Perry and Michael Jackson are unfairly singled out I that any non-#1 song of there's is/was considered a failure, even though chart standings should be meaningless since they are more about luck than about quality or even popularity (the #2 song Wide Awake sold more than twice as many as I Kissed a Girl which was #1 for 7 weeks).  Mitsguy2001 (talk) 06:10, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
 * After some thought, I've decided on including positions after all. I wouldn't go so far as to say non-#1's are considered "failures", though. Regardless of positions, lead sections are not meant to be lists of all released material.  Snuggums ( talk  /  edits ) 06:41, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Looks good. Thanks.  Mitsguy2001 (talk) 07:16, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Please add American former Christians to her categories

 * [ http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/12/31/im-not-a-christian-pop-star-katy-perry-rejects-her-childhood-faith-and-shares-her-current-views-on-theology/] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.229.208.214 (talk) 23:51, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
 * "The Blaze" is not exactly a reliable source. A better source would be needed, but I'm honestly not sure the category is needed to begin with. Snuggums (talk / edits) 23:57, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Net Worth
The networth is wrong. This site (http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-celebrities/singers/katy-perry-net-worth/) reports that Perry's net worth is about 130 millions. Please update! --Mattebuba (talk) 13:44, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Not a reliable site. -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 13:46, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 October 2014
Its her birthday and i only want to give a new cute pic of her thats all thank you

Atul 79 (talk) 23:40, 24 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Just because it's your birthday doesn't mean we should change the image. – Davey 2010 •  (talk)  23:47, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Australian Citizenship
The quote regarding President Obama seems to suggest Katy Perry is an American citizen. However, the quote about not voting for a candidate in an Australian election seems to suggest Katy Perry had that option. If she did not have Australian citizenship at that time, is this quote noteworthy enough to warrant inclusion? Does she have dual citizenship? Has she been granted special voting privileges in Australia?

169.231.3.170 (talk) 00:23, 25 October 2014 (UTC)


 * She is just an American citizen, as indicated in the lead. The quote on Abbott was used to elaborate on her support for LGBT rights. I could search around if needed for American politicians to use in place.  Snuggums ( talk  /  edits ) 00:36, 25 October 2014 (UTC)


 * No, Katy Perry is not an Australian citizen. No source has ever claimed that she is.  She has never lived in Australia, and neither have her parents.  Mitsguy2001 (talk) 21:50, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Image captions
Please see: User talk:SNUGGUMS. This page is an FA on the Main Page, and this really ought to be corrected. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:51, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅  Snuggums ( talk  /  edits ) 21:03, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks! --Tryptofish (talk) 21:04, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

net worth
it's not logical if her net worth in 2011 was 44 million — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.44.186.75 (talk) 19:49, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Her net worth was actually never given in 2011. Keep in mind that yearly earnings are NOT the same as net worth. Even if her net worth was in fact $44 million back in 2011, it very well can be the same amount in subsequent years.  Snuggums ( talk  /  edits ) 19:57, 1 November 2014 (UTC)


 * but back in 2011 "in her divorce" they said Russel Brand could get a 22$million from Katy cuz she made a 44$ millions in the 11 months marriage

77.44.189.22 (talk) 13:16, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Do you have a source for net worth? No? Then please don't analyze with original research. Snuggums has added a reliable source and it will remain like that until a most recent updated reliable source can be found. Same for every other article for net worth. — Indian: BIO  [ ChitChat  ] 13:21, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree that number is very obviously wrong. $40 million is what she she has made per YEAR for the last five years or so. I don't think it should even be on her infobox because it's so suspect - the infobox should really be for hard factual data. I do however think her financial success is relevant, but it would be better to have a subsection and include a few articles about what she has earned each year from touring, album sales, her contract with Cover Girl, etc. (See Jerry Seinfeld as a good example) - Wikimandia (talk) 14:10, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if her wealth warrants a separate section as her case isn't like Michael Jackson, Jay-Z, or Bill Gates. I do know there are sources giving how much her tours make, but don't know of any reporting income from things like her album sales or Cover Girl contract. Unless you have a reliable source that gives a different value for net worth than VH1 (which is from October 2014, is reliable per WP:WikiProject Albums/Sources, and mentions influencing factors, such as how much of her earnings she spends), nothing else should be used. I admittedly was surprised myself when I first saw the estimate, but VH1 did explain themselves. However, it could be worth making Cover Girl, Popchips, perfumes, and such into a Business-related subsection of "other ventures" and including income from them. Snuggums (talk / edits) 14:41, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Katy Perry's sales
http://www.forbes.com/sites/bobbyowsinski/2015/01/30/katy-perry-and-the-new-super-bowl-sales-bump/

they said she sold 100 million unites

77.44.219.177 (talk) 00:03, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
 * No, it says nearly 100 million,that can be anything from 97 million to 99.9. — Indian: BIO  [ ChitChat  ] 04:52, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Lead needs information on her music and persona
This came up at the FAC for another article. The lead of an article has to stand as a self-contained entity for the significant portion of readers who never go past it. The lead of this article tells me that Katy Perry has a lot of hit singles, has sold a lot of albums, and has set some charts records. All of which is fine and should be there, but it doesn't tell me anything about what her music is like or the nature of her artistic persona. Change the years and the titles and the same lead could be about a dozen different female singers from Celine Dion to Madonna.

I think the lead should include:
 * that her music works in the range between dance pop and pop rock
 * that her first hit ("I Kissed a Girl") came with an attention-grabbing and mildly controversial theme
 * that she is known for self-empowerment/self-esteem anthems ("Firework", "Roar")
 * that her songwriting is always in collaboration with others, especially Dr Luke and Max Martin
 * that she is known for idiosyncratic, fun-based, over-the-top personal fashions (fruit designs, etc)
 * that she is known for elaborately staged and costumed concerts

Now if you include all this, the reader who doesn't go past the lead will have a reasonably good idea of what Katy Perry is about.

I think there is space to include this, but if you are worried on that account, I think the "After releasing her debut studio album ... contractual complications" material could be boiled down to a few words and the Smurfette thing can go. In fact, I would take "actress" out of the first sentence - a couple of voice bits does not an actress make. That profession should only be included in the first sentence for singers who really are actresses in a substantial way, such as Streisand, Cher, Jennifer Hudson, and so forth. Wasted Time R (talk) 01:45, 3 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the input, Wasted. I'll see what I can make of this. One comment though- while it is true that two voice roles and a documentary alone don't constitute an actress, I had included it for her starring in music videos for Carbon Leaf and Gym Class Heroes as well as television appearances on Wildfire, The Young and the Restless, Sesame Street (which sparked controversy and was pulled from the air), Saturday Night Live, (one of her appearances was her time hosting) The Simpsons, How I Met Your Mother (for which she won the People's Choice Award), and Raising Hope. Not sure if those are lead-worthy, though. Felt the television work could count for something. I could reduce the bits in between Katy Hudson and One of the Boys, but am hesitant to remove Smurfette as her first movie role was seen as a big deal.  Snuggums ( talk  /  edits ) 02:47, 3 December 2014 (UTC)


 * To me, most of those video and television appearances are the kind of one-off roles that pop culture celebrities get put in to satisfy their desire to try different things or to boost a production's visibility or ratings. Compare that with the kind of major, important-to-the-film dramatic roles that Jennifer Hudson has had - there really is no comparison.  Obviously there are cases where it might be hard to draw the boundary - I'm not sure about Alicia Keys for example - but to me Katy Perry is on the 'no mention in first sentence' side of the line.  Wasted Time R (talk) 03:40, 3 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Certainly not as extensive as people like Jennifer Hudson, Madonna, or Cher. If one-time television appearances aren't countworthy (the only multiple-time appearance so far has been SNL), then I'd imagine you'd also classify people like Rihanna and Lady Gaga as "no mention in first sentence" type either.  Snuggums ( talk  /  edits ) 03:59, 3 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Snugs, I definitely agree with Wasted R's comments as well as your assessment that Rihanna and Gaga as well are "no mention in first sentence" type. Wasted R, thanks for the wonderful points, they surely are bettering the article. — Indian: BIO  [ ChitChat  ] 05:04, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Getting back to this, I see that the different genres made their way into the lead, and the actress is gone from the first sentence, but none of the other additions I proposed got in. So I have now done so. It's important that the lead capture the full nature of her music and persona, especially with the big readership spike she'll be getting this weekend. Wasted Time R (talk) 17:37, 31 January 2015 (UTC)


 * I was going to finish up those bits but struggled to find a good way to do so and also got sidetracked, so sorry for the delay. Her article I'm sure will attract lots of attention over the following week or so. Thanks again for your input. Snuggums <b style="color:#454545">(talk</b> <b style="color:#454545">/</b> <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 17:43, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Her songwriting isn't always in collaboration with others, since she did write several songs herself, most notably, "Thinking of You". But yes, the vast majority of her songwriting is in collaboration with others.  But that is also true of most other artists, so I don't see it as being a big deal.  Mitsguy2001 (talk) 07:03, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Infobox image
There recently has been dispute over which image should be used. It started when Praline97 inserted a different image without explanation. IndianBio reverted due to lack of explanation. Praline97 then gave the rationale "This picture is more representative of how she looks, the other picture has heavily stylized makeup and is not a accurate representation of her" when reinserting, and Tomica subsequently reverted only for Praline97 to reinsert, with neither explaining themselves after Praline97 commented on "heavily stylized makeup" and how it is "not a accurate representation of her". I myself then reverted Praline97 for reasons I will mention below. To try and resolve this, I'm now raising a discussion. Here are the pictures in question:

Personally, I feel that the ARIA photo should be used because it is more recent and focuses more on her face. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> <b style="color:#454545">(talk</b> <b style="color:#454545">/</b> <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 04:08, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Infobox images are supposed to be of High Quality, recent and focusing on the face of the artists/celeb..the ARIA image is 3/3..obviously she put heavy makeup on....in BOTH images, artists do that..most if not all celebs look really ugly without makeup..the ARIA image is a good Representation of the Pop Princess and possibly her best image from the event..she isn't even looking towards the camera in the other one..-- Stemoc 05:40, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, no contest, the ARIA image takes it hands down. — Indian: BIO  [ ChitChat  ] 05:41, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
 * On the second picture she doesn't look good at all. I vote ARIA! :) — Tomíca (T2ME) 08:52, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Honestly, I don't like either pictures, and I don't think either picture is really her "typical" look. Then again, it's hard to say what Katy's typical look is, since it changes so often.  As for why she "doesn't look good at all" in the 2nd picture: she had the flu at the time.  Mitsguy2001 (talk) 07:01, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Her Grammy look would have been fantastic. TheKatyCatThatIsCoconutsAboutFish

Semi-protected edit request on 5 February 2015
Please change sentence in 1984–98: Early life section from

"Growing up, she attended religious schools and camps, including Paradise Valley Christian School and Santa Barbara Christian School during her elementary years."

to

"Growing up, she attended religious schools and camps, including Paradise Valley Christian School in Arizona and Santa Barbara Christian School in California during her elementary years."

to unambiguously indicate the states which these two schools are located in.

Present article references,

Citation 9, (AZ Central article), supports the addition of "in Arizona" and

Citation 3, (Noam Friedlander's Katy Perry biography), supports the addition of "in California"

KaliMuri74 (talk) 12:20, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ MadGuy7023 (talk) 12:48, 5 February 2015 (UTC)


 * What source is there for that? I have never heard that she lived in Arizona at any time in her life.  All of the schools she attended were in the Santa Barbara, California area.  Her sister, Angela, was sent away to a school in Arizona for incorrigibles, but I have never heard that Katy went to that school too.  If she did, I would have thought there would have been a lot of media coverage of it.  Mitsguy2001 (talk) 07:06, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Interesting, I saw the source. I wonder why she never talked about that before.  Since I was Katy herself, I'm sure it's true.  Mitsguy2001 (talk) 07:11, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Infobox image - same event different angle
So since this is a FA, I didn't want to just change it without bringing it up. I know it's small but still.

I like the angle of her face on the latter. Thoughts? <span style="text-shadow:4px 4px 15px #00F,-4px -4px 15px #49F;">LADY LOTUS • <span style="text-shadow:4px 4px 15px #F80,-4px -4px 15px #F08;">TALK 15:41, 27 February 2015 (UTC)


 * I personally have no prejudice against using either image, but anything in particular that you like about the angle on the latter, ? <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 21:58, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
 * What I can think of is that she might be looking a little too bright and oggle-eyed in the first one compared to the second one. Both gorgeous pics nevertheless. — Indian: BIO  [ ChitChat  ] 08:56, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I can't really describe it, I just like the way her head is angled in the latter better. I feel like the first one is so on her face that it's a little awkwardly posed where the other one looks more natural. <span style="text-shadow:4px 4px 15px #00F,-4px -4px 15px #49F;">LADY LOTUS • <span style="text-shadow:4px 4px 15px #F80,-4px -4px 15px #F08;">TALK 16:04, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Plus I feel like her smile looks more genuine in the second picture <span style="text-shadow:4px 4px 15px #00F,-4px -4px 15px #49F;">LADY LOTUS • <span style="text-shadow:4px 4px 15px #F80,-4px -4px 15px #F08;">TALK 20:32, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and changed it. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 21:44, 2 March 2015 (UTC)


 * The current picture looks much better. Good call, . –Chase (talk / contribs) 01:17, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Lol thanks :) <span style="text-shadow:4px 4px 15px #00F,-4px -4px 15px #49F;">LADY LOTUS • <span style="text-shadow:4px 4px 15px #F80,-4px -4px 15px #F08;">TALK 12:05, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Fixing the Career beginnings section
I just made some changes to this section - it was inaccurate. Katy signed with Glen Ballard's label, Java Records, and it was Java who had the deal with Katy. The record she recorded for IDJ wasn't "cancelled" - it was shelved. (You can't "cancel" a record.) She was signed to Columbia by Tim Devine,  who met her through Ballard. The idea to put her with the Matrix came from Devine Much of the material on One of the Boys [https://books.google.com/books?id=WWxbO-SGG7AC&pg=RA4-PA19&dq=katy+perry+met+dr+luke&hl=en&sa=X&ei=CbA7VcLILMOiNqDugIgH&ved=0CEMQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=katy%20perry%20met%20dr%20luke&f=false had been written by the time she signed to Capitol. ] Flom didn't introduce her to Dr. Luke/Max Martin -  they met and worked together while while she was on Columbia although they never completed the tracks. She wasn't dropped by Columbia soon after she was signed -- she was signed in 2004 and dropped in 2006. JSFarman (talk) 18:09, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your edits. Admittedly, the details on her life from the 2002–2006 period are foggier than 2007 onwards. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 15:01, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

VH1 citation for net worth?
I don't think The Fabulous Life of... is a particularly reliable source, especially since it doesn't cite sources for its data. It's a gossip fluff mini-documentary for VH1, which is by no means a go-to source for financial matters. I'm not knocking it as completely unreliable, but I would personally like to see a better source. –Chase (talk / contribs) 03:36, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
 * While VH1 is listed as a reliable source on WP:ALBUM/SOURCES, it's understandable why that particular video might not be taken seriously (especially given its tone). However, I will say that it was definitely the best source available back when it was added this past October when the other options were things like "Celebrity Net Worth" and "TheRichest.com". Not sure if Travelers Today or Heavy.com" are any better. I would use Forbes if it displayed her actual net worth as opposed to just yearly earnings. [[User:SNUGGUMS|<b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b>] (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 15:01, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Wide Awake in the lead
The lead focuses on Perry's Billboard Hot 100 peaks for her singles but states that "Wide Awake" was a number one when it actually peaked at number two. It may have peaked at number one on component charts and in other countries but I find it a bit misleading. - Lips '' are movin 19:57, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I get where you're coming from, but it actually wasn't referring to that chart in this case; "chart-topping" is used since it reached number one in Canada and New Zealand as noted in the Teenage Dream section. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 20:11, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Katy Perry
I think the problem of the picture in katy perry's article is because that is not the true face of katy and for me even I was a katycat her make up there is so dark and not so good for me, you should pick the 2015 grammy award image of her because she looks great their like WOW green and short hair amazing!! I hope you could do this. Thank you Chandelia16 (talk) 14:26, 27 June 2015 (UTC)


 * @Chandelia16: Which Grammy image? There's not one currently linked in the article, nor do I see one at Commons. Remember, we can only use images under a free license; we can't use publicity photos or photos taken by a media or wire service. —C.Fred (talk) 14:30, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

The one at commons, and IF only they/you could do that. But it's okay if not just chage it and put a good and natural picture of her. Chandelia16 (talk) 14:36, 27 June 2015 (UTC)


 * even I don't see any image like that. Please link the image from commons here. The current image is fine as it is. Your personal preference is not a valid reason. — Indian: BIO  [ ChitChat  ] 16:00, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

Okay, yeah it's good it's just because I'm not comfortable but yeah it's fine.Chandelia16 (talk) 02:38, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

2015
http://www.forbes.com/sites/zackomalleygreenburg/2015/06/29/how-katy-perry-became-americas-top-pop-export-the-forbes-cover-story/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.44.214.21 (talk) 15:19, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Please indicate if there is something in particular from this link that you wanted included in the article <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 03:49, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

the forbes 2015 top earning celb wd 135$M

and maybe u can but her Net worth as a combined yearly income from the Forbes list it will be 303$M — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.44.175.7 (talk) 20:20, 30 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Forbes did rank her as the top-earning musician, and #3 on their list behind boxers Mayweather and Pacquiao. That's probably worth a mention. However, I don't see any indication of her net worth in the article, so that can't be included. —C.Fred (talk) 20:39, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 June 2015
Under Katy's Musical Influences, it does not say anything about Cyndi Lauper. However, On Cyndi Lauper's wiki page it states: "American pop singer Katy Perry has stated that Lauper was her "idol" growing up."

24.57.127.196 (talk) 03:10, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
 * you need to include a reference to a reliable source for something like this. I have removed that bit from Lauper's article since the citation used in didn't say Lauper was "her idol" while growing up, and wasn't even a reliable source to begin with. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 03:49, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Voice Type
I have posted in the past: Is there a reliable source saying that Katy's voice is contralto? And, is such classification even appropriate for pop singers? This website (which seems reliable) says that Katy's voice is a "light lyric soprano": http://www.divadevotee.com/2010/11/katy-perry-vocal-profile-range.html

In all likelihood, Katy's voice includes notes in all 3 female vocal ranges (soprano, mezzo-soprano, and contralto).

Furthermore, Wikipedia's own page on "voice type" says that such classifications are only appropriate for European classical music, and not for other genres (including pop music): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voice_type

Furthermore, Wikipedia's own page on "voice type" says that a contralto is an extremely rare voice type. My impression is that a contralto would be a female voice that sounds almost like a man's voice, which would not apply to Katy Perry.

Should the voice type be deleted for Katy Perry, and for other pop singers? Or mention that it is a matter of dispute, or that her voice includes all 3 ranges? Mitsguy2001 (talk) 17:22, 19 July 2015 (UTC)


 * No comment on whether or not voice type should be included, but Diva Devotee is a blog which is unacceptable as a source. Chase (talk &#124; contributions) 17:58, 19 July 2015 (UTC)


 * The citations currently used calling her a contralto are Rolling Stone and Variety. They are both considered reliable. I'm not sure what sources support the assertion on Voice type that "The discipline of voice classification developed within European classical music and is not generally applicable to other forms of singing" (quote from article), but do feel voice ranges are useful to add regardless of genre to singer articles if possible (supported of course by reliable sources) because such detail can help give readers a sense of what their vocals of like. "Diva Devotee" is definitely not a reliable source, though it could be worth searching for better references supporting other ranges. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 03:42, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

katy perry update
http://www.allaccess.com/net-news/archive/story/144283/third-annual-capitol-congress-presents-new-project

i posted it cuz of the info in it maybe u can find another source

77.44.170.0 (talk) 10:26, 7 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Which part(s) of the article are you saying should be updated? <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 04:29, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 September 2015
Katy Perry Only has one act. It is the Matrix. It is a production team instead of a musical group. Would you add more?

173.174.138.220 (talk) 22:09, 15 September 2015 (UTC)


 * If there were other acts that met the criteria of associated acts, yes. However, one-off collaborations do not qualify; there needs to be a more ongoing or extensive relationship. —C.Fred (talk) 02:44, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

New picture?
I've found this picture on Flickr & uploaded it to Commons, I'm wondering if it could perhaps be used as the new picture on the infobox of her article. It's more recent than the current one (from October 2015 - the current one is from 2014) and high quality. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Prismatic_World_Tour_Chile_Cropped.jpg Here's the picture. Thoughts? S△M  talk  15:56, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
 * The current picture used in the infobox is just out of this world, I see no reason to use another one, and that too a side face of Katy. — Indian: BIO  [ ChitChat  ] 16:55, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I agree with IndianBio, a full face frontal picture with extremely high quality. There is no need for a replacement at all. — Tom (T2ME) 16:56, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Katy Perry claim sales
Hi, is it possible to use this source (http://femmefitness.co.nz/article.cfm?id=110278) to update Perry's claim sales to 30m-albums and 120m-singles. Since her certification already pass the 117 million mark. Need opinion and advise please.? Thanks Politsi (talk) 05:24, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Just checked it, does not seem like any way an authoritative source. — I B  [ Poke  ] 09:40, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
 * IndianBio. Perry certification sales has been far away on top of her claim sales, which is could make the quality of the List of best-selling music artists looks un-reliable. The source that I bring up is not reliable like a newspaper that we are used on the list. But we must update her claim on her wikipage to encourage the media to find and seek her true claim sales, not like the other artist's wikibio which is free for me to edit the contain inside. The editor of Perry's wikipage is very strict but fool I think because they let Perry's claim sales stuck in old calculation with no action to updating it. Politsi (talk) 08:59, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Previous changes were reverted not so much to "let Perry's claim sales stuck in old calculation with no action to updating it" as it was because no solid references with more recent definitive figures were provided. Any update must be reliably sourced and not contain vague terms like "almost ___ records" or "nearly ___ records". <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 02:36, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

Add a section about artists influenced by Perry
Artists such as Adele, Lorde, Coldplay, Jessie J, Tegan and Sara, and Ronika have named Perry as an influence- can we add a section about that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MagicatthemovieS (talk • contribs)
 * First of all please raise new sections at the bottom of the talk page and secondly please sign them. Yes we can add artists influenced by Perry, but not as a list. This is a FA article and surely we can develop a prose content which talks about how she influenced, not just say them. do you agree with me? And Magicatthemovies, if you cannot develop a proper prose section, please request you not to add it and discuss in talk page. — I B   [ Poke  ] 13:06, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes it should be in prose rather than a list. Adding quotes on how she influenced people will definitely help. However, I'm not sure if it warrants a separate section or if "Achievements" should be renamed to "legacy" and people she influenced should be added there (perhaps with impact/influence on society). Probably best to list people here before anything else either way. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 13:36, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I think first we should list the people supposedly influenced by Katy, then assess what is that influence exactly? Like if someone is explaining how Perry influenced that artist should hold more weight than someone who merely mentions her name. — I B  [ Poke  ] 13:47, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Agreed. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 13:54, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I tried to explain it in my edits, obviously doesn't understand... The section as it is written right now it's far far far from legacy. It's just bunch of achievements she did. Also, IMO it's too early for her to have a Legacy section honestly, because apart of her commercial success and her 6 #1 songs from a single album, I don't see nothing else that highlights her (no offense!). —  Tom (T2ME) 18:21, 28 March 2016 (UTC)


 * She has a legacy. She has influenced several artists, regardless of whether you like her or not. Also, what do you mean it's "too early" for her to have a legacy? Once someone has influenced another, they have a legacy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MagicatthemovieS (talk • contribs)
 * Obviously, you misunderstood what legacy means. Please read, this, this, this or this too see what a legacy section really is and shall include. An artist inspiring other artists it's not a legacy, it's more of admiration for a certain person. And I don't have nothing against her, actually I occasionally listen to her music, but it's obvious she needs some more time until she gets that section. — Tom (T2ME) 18:34, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
 * You couldn't have put it better than anyone Tomica, and Magicatthemovies, for God's sake, stop. — I B  [ Poke  ] 18:37, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Given Tomica's comments, I'm gonna say leave such listings out for now and wait to see how much more impact on the music industry and society she has with future releases. Probably best to wait at least until the release of her next album (whenever that comes) and any impact it has. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 18:46, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Just to clarify, I am not against those listings, if you find appropriate place in the article they should be used. But I am glad you understand the point I am trying to prove here. — Tom (T2ME) 18:49, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I am aware, and currently can't think of a good place to include them when it's too soon to have a "legacy" section. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 18:53, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Lady Gaga has a legacy section and she released her debut single within three weeks of the release of "I Kissed a Girl". Either Gaga's legacy section should be removed or Katy should have a legacy section added to her article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MagicatthemovieS (talk • contribs)
 * Lady Gaga is a different thing than Perry. Although I am not a fan of hers, her career is far more iconic than Perry's at least so far. And no, we shouldn't remove Gaga's Legacy and we should wait couple more years for Perry's. — Tom (T2ME) 20:37, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Katy has had nine number-one hits in the U.S. while Gaga has had three number-one hits in the U.S. Katy has also sold many more records than Gaga. She is just as iconic as Gaga if not more so. Either remove Gaga's legacy section or restore Perry's legacy section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MagicatthemovieS (talk • contribs)
 * Legacy it's not just number one songs on a certain chart. It spreads much more than that. It includes impact, power etc etc. No, the Legacy at Gaga's article will stay and the Legacy on Perry's will be on a stand by (for now!) — Tom (T2ME) 22:21, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Katy has made a huge impact and has plenty of power! — Preceding unsigned comment added by MagicatthemovieS (talk • contribs)
 * If so, it wasn't well demonstrated in your additions :/. We would need to give specific examples on how she impacted the music industry and/or society rather than only list artists she influenced. Such detail is what a legacy section should ideally contain. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 22:58, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
 * MagicatthemovieS, stop your bullshit right now, other editors have vehemently opposed this addition and Tomica has courteously explained the reason. So get off the high horse and move on! There is a time and place for all content. — I B  [ Poke  ] 22:58, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
 * What sources would I need to provide/what would Katy need to accomplish for you to all let me add this legacy section? Also, you broke Wikipedia's rules by insulting me IndianBio! You have antagonized me in the past - stop it right now! — Preceding unsigned comment added by MagicatthemovieS (talk • contribs)
 * While IndianBio's comment was harsh, I'm not sure if it counts as a personal attack exactly; it's not like he called you any insulting names. You would need to provide sources that talk specifically about how KP has impacted/influenced the music industry and/or society for a legacy section. However, I doubt you'll find very much on either of those at the moment, which is why it's best to wait until future releases where she could potentially have more impact. Remember that legacy isn't just influencing other artists. If for example you look at Gaga's "legacy" section, it talks about how she helped make synthpop popular and how her outfits impacted fashion. Madonna for instance changed "what a mainstream female pop star could (and couldn't) say, do, or accomplish in the public eye" and "redefined what the parameters were for female performers". Their sections might not be perfect, but give a sense of what impact they have had. As far as I know, Katy hasn't made any specific genre/subgenre really popular or substantially affected any part of society, or at least not in comparison to these two. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 02:23, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

Katy Perry's 10m albums and 100m-download singles claim
Hi Snuggums and folks. Need your advise, please look at this source (https://www.aimp.org/event/2012/11/15/432/The_Wild_World_of_User_Generated_Content__hellip;) from Association of Independent Music Publisher (AIMP), inside it was stated Perry has sold over 10 million albums and 100 million downloads worldwide. Is it possible to updated Perry's claim sales to 110 million by using that source since her certification sales are way higher than her claim sales. Need your opinion. Thank you. Politsi (talk) 03:45, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I think we could safely say 100 million with that, but don't know about 110 million since those downloads could include album sales. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 04:03, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks Snuggums, I've seen that you have change Perry's claim sales to 100 million digital records. I think it will be more safely to only say 100 million records overall, without saying digital or download. Records claim could be general in all kind of sales (Albums, Physical CD, Download, Video, Digital). Politsi (talk) 06:37, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 13:51, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

New image
I should add that Perry is very lucky in Wikipedia in terms of image. The "free" pictures taken give very flattering views of her in right angles unlike Gaga or Swift. FrB.TG (talk) 12:39, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Don't like this one though, compared to the amazing picture we had before. — I B  [ Poke  ] 12:58, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 September 2016
Please change "turned to God" to "turned to religion" to maintain an objective viewpoint.

Life and career 1984–98: Early life

Her parents are born again Christians, each having turned to God after a "wild youth".

72.224.73.103 (talk) 16:32, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅ now changed <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 18:10, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Addition to the "2007–09: Breakthrough with One of the Boys" section
In the original article, this is stated under the 2007–09: Breakthrough with One of the Boys section,

"I Kissed a Girl" created controversy among both religious groups and LGBT groups. The former criticized its homosexual themes while the latter accused her of using bi-curiosity to sell records. In response to speculation that her parents opposed her music and career, Perry told MTV that they had no problems with her success.[72] After her relationship with McCoy ended in December 2008,[73] Perry met her future husband Russell Brand in the summer of 2009 while filming a cameo appearance for his film Get Him to the Greek. Her scene, in which the two kiss, does not appear in the film.[74] She began dating Brand after meeting him again that September at the 2009 MTV Video Music Awards.[75] The couple became engaged on December 31, 2009, while vacationing in Rajasthan, India.[76]

I would like to proposed a small edit to this paragraph, which is bolded and italicized below,

"I Kissed a Girl" created controversy among both religious groups and LGBT groups. The former criticized its homosexual themes while the latter accused her of using bi-curiosity to sell records. The song “has earned her props from Madonna and the top slot on the Billboard singles chart for six straight weeks”. In response to speculation that her parents opposed her music and career, Perry told MTV that they had no problems with her success.[72] After her relationship with McCoy ended in December 2008,[73] Perry met her future husband Russell Brand in the summer of 2009 while filming a cameo appearance for his film Get Him to the Greek. Her scene, in which the two kiss, does not appear in the film.[74] She began dating Brand after meeting him again that September at the 2009 MTV Video Music Awards.[75] The couple became engaged on December 31, 2009, while vacationing in Rajasthan, India.[76]

Source citation (Chicago format):

Thank you.

--Joyce2001year (talk) 05:37, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Topping the charts is already mentioned earlier in the article. To be honest, I'm not sure if the Madonna bit is worth mentioning, and "earned props" is rather informal. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 13:49, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Amish?
does she have anything to do with the Amish? i read somewhere.

Ciao.

Amanbir

106.192.50.151 (talk) 16:44, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Not sure where you read that, but I haven't come across anything viable on the matter. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 17:13, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Katy perry's net worth
I have this source saying Her net worth is 280$ M Check it please http://m.reviewjournal.com/life/lady-gaga-katy-perry-and-more-the-net-worths-super-bowl-s-richest-halftime-performers 2A02:8109:B2C0:CA0:19D2:424F:B557:FE67 (talk) 18:13, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Lol no ways, the link clearly states it gets its data from GoBankingRates.com which is a self-published site without any academic, journalistic or business credibility to even list these net worth of celebrities and musicians. — I B  [ Poke  ] 18:28, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

katy perry 2017 sales ww
a source stating that two days ago katys company honored her for 165 mil sales 40 mil albums 125 tracks 18 bil streams

2A02:8109:B2C0:CA0:7155:2BB8:F6D5:C2B9 (talk) 11:13, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
 * per my comments here. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 13:26, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Katy perry
It seems here in wiki they say yes to some people's sources but no for others whom has the same source!!!

Rihanna's company posted about her sales and they took but here Katy's certificated sales are higher than the claimed but they refuse to take the source which is Yahoo amd a punch of others!!!!

Please someone who cares here please check out the link in Katy Perry update 2017 topic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8109:B2C0:CA0:F949:E400:38E6:20A7 (talk) 16:09, 14 February 2017 (UTC)


 * If this is about not accepting figures from record companies, then just because other articles make such mistakes doesn't mean this one should. Such press releases are more likely to be inflated to promote an artist. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 16:27, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Personal Life
Most celebrity articles such as this contain a "Personal Life" section to include, among many topics, items such as relationships, both past and present, as well as any other juicy tidbits of general interest. As a start, I'm surprised her relationship with Orlando Bloom is not cross-referenced within this article. Can we get some more "juicy?" SquashEngineer (talk) 15:19, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Adding such a section would do more bad than good when they're targets for trivia, fancruft, and gossip additions. The high-profile relationships actually worth mentioning also worked with her professionally and are included in the "life and career" section. Wikipedia is not supposed to be a place for "juicy tidbits" or gossip. As for Bloom, I'm not sure he's really worth adding when (at least compared to her past relationships) they're not such a prominent pairing. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 18:15, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Katy Perry: Artistry - Voice
This subsection mentioned Katy Perry as a Contralto. Well i suggest it be changed to Soprano instead. This is because listening to her songs, she seems to have more ease singing higher and in the mid range than lower, plus, her voice is also too light and girlish that it can never be mistaken for a male's. Some artist who might qualify for being contraltos would include Toni Braxton (well I once almost mistook her for a male on first hearing her song) and Sarah Jane Morrison. --Kof1AndOnly (talk) 15:46, 17 April 2017 (UTC) Kof1AndOnly (talk) 15:49, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm not really familiar with "Critic of Music" (the link you provided for KP) is a good source overall to use, though to be fair either way, the citations used were from 2008 and 2009, plus people's voices do change over time. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 15:54, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Bon Appétit (song)
Can someone move Draft:Bon Appétit (song) into the main space when appropriate? Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:23, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
 * As you know, that's probably not going to be until after the song is released because little to no solid material exists yet discussing the track. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 19:26, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the song is being released in a few hours. You should know better than to cause such headaches and waste editors' time... --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:34, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

The article has been moved back into the main space, so I am marking this section as resolved and invite folks to help expand the article. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:49, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

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Katy Perry Age
Katy Perry is 33, not 32 as it says on her page. Can someone check it out?

TheOneFootTallBrickWall (talk) 19:33, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
 * that is false since she was born on October 25, 1984, Katy currently is in fact 32, and will be 33 this upcoming October. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 23:27, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

mocked reaction to manchester bombings
Would someone be able to add a section to her political section to include the widespread ridicule and critiscism she received for her reaction to the Manchester bombings. Thank you 120.156.156.84 (talk) 10:26, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
 * What "widespread ridicule and critiscism [sic]" was this? Acalamari 12:02, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Even if this isn't some hyperbolic exaggeration, I don't see how the "Politics" section is suitable for including the Manchester bombing when she didn't order any plan for firing back or something similar. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 16:03, 5 June 2017 (UTC)


 * http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/may/24/katy-perrys-delusional-hug-terrorist-approach/

https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2017/05/25/go-hell-katy-perry-fox-guest-unloads-katy-perry-after-her-call-unity-after-terror-attack/216665 http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/05/24/listen-to-katy-perrys-ridiculous-response-to-the-manchester-terror-attack/ http://www.dailywire.com/news/16793/watch-idiocy-katy-perry-after-manchester-massacre-hank-berrien https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2017/05/25/go-hell-katy-perry-fox-guest-unloads-katy-perry-after-her-call-unity-after-terror-attack/216665

Perhaps not politics, but an additional comment to the existing comments about her Manchester concert? Plenty of people were clearly hacked off by her comments. 120.156.156.84 (talk) 12:22, 6 June 2017 (UTC)


 * All of those citations except for perhaps Washington Times are questionable at best. Such an inclusion would need much stronger sourcing. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 12:29, 6 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Well that's a tough one, many people, particularly conservatives were clearly not impressed with her comments as the sources show. I doubt the words of katy perry are going to make front page news of major newspapers though. One has to give weight to smaller publications when the topic matter isn't breaking news I think.

120.156.156.84 (talk) 12:48, 6 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Hmm...even the Washington Times one is loaded with quite a lot of hateful rhetoric. This all looks more like fringe criticism from alt-rights and other clowns obsessed with spreading hate towards Muslims, rather than from anyone with any sort of credibility. It's not like what Kathy Griffin received last week nor is it in any way comparable to, say, someone boasting about grabbing other people's private parts - not by a long shot. Acalamari 12:53, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Katy Perry Relationships
Katy Perry has been connected to male celebrities such as Orlando Bloom and John Mayer. In a recent interview, John Mayer admitted his new album is about his relationship with Katy Perry. In the song "Still Feel Like Your Man", the line "I still keep your shampoo in the shower, in case you want to wash your hair," is allegedly a reference to her and their breakup. Allknowingxyz (talk) 20:25, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Those album details might be worth mentioning in his album article, but they aren't really pertinent here. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 20:45, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Good point, User:SNUGGUMS I didn't think about that. I'll see if there's an opportunity to add that on Mayer's wiki page. Allknowingxyz (talk) 15:31, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

worng spelling
In the second line, "Perry signed with Red Hill Records....." singed?? it should be sang — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ravlev (talk • contribs) 19:00, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
 * No, "signed" is an abbreviated way of saying "signed a contract", i.e., became one of that label's contract performers. <span style="font-family: Gill Sans MT, Arial, Helvetica; font-weight:140;"> General Ization  Talk   19:01, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

West Ham United
I propose that the following be added to public image as public figures showing clear support for sporting clubs is often included in the public profile or personal lives of celebrities. During the Russel Brand period of her life Perry made several clear and public references of support for West Ham United, which are recorded as it could appear below and also has context on a period of her life.

During her relationship and marriage to Russell Brand, Perry made several public statements of support for English Football team West Ham United, the club Brand himself is a keen supporter of. In 2009 Perry emerged to present a portion of the MTV awards dressed in a basque sporting the club badge and colours, copies of which later became official club merchandise. while later the same year a tongue in cheek audio of her singing along to the official team song 'Bubbles' was posted on Youtube. During a concert in Liverpool in 2011 it was reported that she had been booed by fans over her support for the club but footage showed that this had also been tongue in cheek after she raised the subject of being a Football fan to the Football mad city and told the audience she was "West Ham til I die!" Perry has made no further public mention of continued support for the club since her divorce from Brand in 2012.


 * too superfluous when nothing even remotely sports-related aside from the Super Bowl XLIX halftime show has any significance to her career or persona. It's not like she's an athlete, PR agent, or team manager. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 13:23, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

"Perry also spoke and performed at the 2016 Democratic National Convention to endorse Hillary Clinton"
I believe this would be better phrased as "Perry also spoke and performed at the 2016 Democratic National Convention in support of Hillary Clinton". Perry's endorsement of Clinton came months earlier. For instance, she actively campaigned for Clinton early on the trail in IowaSecretName101 (talk) 03:32, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅ She definitely was quite an emphatic supporter before that. I've also removed the "Hillary" from that sentence because her first name had already been mentioned earlier. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 06:15, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

Infobox photo
Has anyone considered changing the infobox photo. I get this is the most recent one we have of her but her face is covered with the mic and though everyone knows what she looks like its good to use a photo where you can clearly see her face. ArturSik (talk) 14:57, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
 * If you have any specific suggestions that are free of copyright, then feel free to mention them here. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 15:40, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I was thinking that one. It's not a rescent one but it's probably the best we have of her on wikimedia. ArturSik (talk) 18:43, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree with user ArturSik ,probably is the best image that we have of her here. AlfaRocket (talk) 12:27, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

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Changing her net worth
Katy Perry's net worth has grown exponentially since the 2016 estimate provided on her page. According to Celebrity Net Worth, she is worth 280 million. I am not sure of the accuracy of this figure, however it stands to reason that she is worth more than 125 million as she grossed 135 million pretax in 2015 alone, according to Forbes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:18C:480:1F5D:84D2:BFE3:673A:7188 (talk • contribs) 21:11, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Celebrity Net Worth frequently inflates figures and has repeatedly been rejected as a dubious reference. We'd need something much stronger than that. The 2016 Forbes article currently cited is the most recent credible figure given. Also, net worth isn't the same as yearly earnings as it also incorporates how much one spends/losses and sometimes the value of any properties a person owns. <b style="color:#009900">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 21:41, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, if you have a reliable source, You can add the sources on the Page!. AlfaRocket (talk) 12:37, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 September 2017
I want to edit this page because I think something is wrong and some spellings 109.255.110.122 (talk) 20:22, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
 * You'll need to register for an account and become auto-confirmed since the page is semi-protected in order to edit it yourself, but someone with an account (such as myself) could fix any misspellings you find in the article if you just point them out. <b style="color:#009900">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 20:24, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

New Katy Picture
Hi, I was wondering if we can update the main picture, as it does not represent her in the last year. I am wondering because I have no idea if I change the pictures on other articles where the picture is currently. To put it this way; I am wondering if changing the main picture will change the other pictures where the (old one) would be. Sorry if this is not clear.

TheOneFootTallBrickWall (talk) 03:17, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
 * The most recent image I know of that isn't copyrighted is File:Katy Perry Myer Syndey.jpg, which can be found in the "2016–present: Witness and American Idol" section. Unless you can find other 2017 pics that are free of copyright, that is our latest option to replace File:Katy Perry DNC July 2016 (cropped).jpg (current profile pic). <b style="color:#009900">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 03:24, 29 September 2017 (UTC)


 * * Sydney (Source: am from Melbourne, Victoria). Someone needs to change the filename. JellymoonO (talk) 13:05, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
 * We can wait for more images emerging from Witness: The Tour, and then take a call. — I B  [ Poke  ] 13:30, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 October 2017
change "then-Leader of Conservative Liberal Party of Australia" to "then-leader of the conservative Liberal Party of Australia". "Leader" and "conservative" are not proper nouns. Jbreeden86 (talk) 12:19, 26 October 2017 (UTC)


 * ✅ Thanks for spotting it Jbreeden86. 12:21, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Katy Perry Willing to Play Under Dictatorship
It should be noted that Katy Perry is willing to push aside all the human rights abuses of the Thai Junta and play for profit in Thailand this coming April. She joins the many performers who are willing to play despite the loss of democracy and human rights in Thailand. NaturalEquality (talk) 08:15, 28 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Your reference says nothing about human rights abuses of Thailand.
 * You might also mention that Perry is willing to push aside all the evil things done by the US government and take money for her US concerts. Binksternet (talk) 08:25, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

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Edit request
Please indicate the disambiguation pages Kate Hudson (disambiguation) and Catherine Perry

Please change

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-- 70.52.11.217 (talk) 23:29, 22 December 2017 (UTC)


 * it's unlikely anybody would look for people under the "C" spelling when she's known to start with a "K". <b style="color:#009900">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 00:37, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

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 * RE:SNUGGUMS; The target is a disambiguation page, the "C" page, Catherine Perry, covers the "K" variants as well. Also, this request is for two changes, not just one. There are two disambiguation pages being indicated. Kate Hudson (disambiguation), should be indicated anyways, since it is the disambiguation with the "K" variant in the name. -- 70.52.11.217 (talk) 06:02, 23 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: No good reason for the request. Also, do not repeat the exact same request. Upsidedown Keyboard (talk) 14:28, 23 December 2017 (UTC)


 * The request was repeated because it emphasized that there are two changes requested, in case anyone reading the initial request dose not realize that there are two changes, linking to two disambiguation pages.
 * What do you mean no good reason for the change? Point people to people with the same or almost the same names?
 * This person is Katheryn Hudson, there is a Kathryn Hudson listed at Kate Hudson (disambiguation),. so there's a very good reason to list the disambiguation page.
 * Katheryn Perry redirects here, yet listed at "Catherine Perry (disambiguation)" is Katherine Perry and Katie Perry; Katherine Perry even used the stagename "Kathryn Perry"; so again a very good reason to indicate that disambiguation page.
 * -- 70.52.11.217 (talk) 00:07, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

URGENT: Semi-protected edit request on 30 December 2017
Hi. While reading the Katy Perry wiki page, I came to realize that the wording and presentation are in such a way that undermines her actual status. First of all, your line that reads, "Her fifth album, Witness, followed in 2017 and delved into electropop. Its most successful single was "Chained to the Rhythm", which reached number one in Hungary." It should be rewritten as: "Her fifth album, Witness, followed in 2017 and delved into electropop. Its most successful single was "Chained to the Rhythm", which debuted at number four on the U.S. Billboard Hot 100." While yes, it did top the charts in Hungary, not including the USA in the context implies that the song flopped, which is not the case because it spent 2 weeks in the top 10 and 8 weeks in the top 20 of the Hot 100. If you're talking about PRISM and Teenage Dream's chart success in the USA, you must continue with the USA, or at least mention it too. It's simple English language conventions.

When talking about her net worth, it is actually upward $280 million. Forbes has been saying her net worth is $125 million for nearly half a decade now. They keep republishing the same figure. There are myriad articles that actually support the $280 million figure.

I think the article needs more elaboration on her Super Bowl Halftime Show. Her halftime show was critically acclaimed and its broadcast on NBC attracted 118.5 million viewers, the largest ratings in the history of the Super Bowl. It also won two Emmy Awards in September 2015. To this day, it holds the record for the highest viewed Super Bowl Halftime Show in history, just ahead of Lady Gaga's halftime show that was viewed by 117.5 million people. The record has always been about live TV viewers. Billboard and the Guinness Book of World Records even confirmed this in 2017 publications.

Lastly, Katy's record sales need to be updated. In February of 2017 (before Chained to the Rhythm), Katy was presented with a plaque by Universal Music Group at their annual pre-GRAMMY showcase. The award commemorated Katy for selling +40M albums and +125M tracks, or simply 165M records worldwide. The source is below.

Keep me posted, Thanks. Itsevren (talk) 21:38, 30 December 2017 (UTC)


 * A lack of US mention in the lead actually DOES NOT imply commercial failure; success isn't solely based off of US chart performance/sales. For what it's worth, that position is mentioned in the article body under the "Witness and American Idol" section. As for net worth, Forbes has so far only given her ONE net worth figure, which was in June 2016 and isn't the same as yearly earnings. Celebrity Net Worth (one of the publications you've linked) has been repeatedly rejected as a dubious reference, and they often inflate figures. It's not going to be feasible. Bank Rate and Entity are basing its reports off of that site, so they're no good here either. That "Co-Ed" site is the only possible thing from what you've linked that could be used, though I'm not familiar enough with the site to say for sure how accurate that tends to be. Regarding Super Bowl Halftime show, viewership record is already noted in the article body. While acclaim could perhaps also be noted, the Emmys it did win weren't in categories KP herself was nominated for (those were for the people who worked on lighting and costumes). Listing those here would suggest she actually won them. For sales, record companies are known to often inflate their artists' figures for promotional purposes, so such claims from them should be taken with a grain of salt. It's best to opt for publications not closely affiliated with an article subject as those are less likely to give embellished numbers. Also, even if they weren't just exaggerating her totals, the given link notes that these are for adjusted albums and tracks, meaning that those numbers are a combination of pure sales (aka traditional sales or actual sales) and streaming equivalent units. We should opt for pure sales instead of numbers that include streams. <b style="color:#009900">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 01:47, 31 December 2017 (UTC)


 * UPDATE: I've now included the acclaim for her halftime show. <b style="color:#009900">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 01:55, 31 December 2017 (UTC)