Talk:Kayfabe/Archive 1

Pronunciation?
I'm confused on the pronunciation. In the entry it's written "KAY-faybe," but it's unclear whether the e should be silent, or whether instead there should be three syllables. In other words -- "KAY-fayb" or "KAY-fay-bee?" --Jay (Histrion) (talk • contribs) 21:01, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Fixed Bdve 01:45, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Regarding the pronunciation. I have a couple friends who've been running with Mid America Shows for a while now. They taught me a little "carniese," which is just a modified version of Pig-latin. I wish I could tell you the exact rules to it, but it involves swapping first and last syllables (or phonetic sounds) and adding an extra syllable to it. My friends used an "-izz" added in the middle of the word if it ended in a consonant, and added to the end of the word if it ended with a vowel. There were some other rules as to words that are proper names too but I don't remember them other than you didn't swap syllables, you instead added more. I do remember something about using "-bee" too but it was only for certain cases.

I think it might actually be Kay-fay-bee for the correct pronunciation, but all I'm really going off is hearsay from some friends of mine. Kay-fay-bee sounds right though, more so than Kay-Fabe. Anyone else have some input on this? --RaggTopp 15:21, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It sounds a bit like polari, or other cants. Secretlondon 03:13, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

It's pronounced "Kay-Fayb". If you have any WWE DVD's you will hear wrestlers pronounce it like that. KAY FAYB. Worldunderblood 07:18, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Really? Here's a google groups posting which claims that in a long interview, Rowdy Roddy Piper said, "Kayfabe (which Piper says is pronounced ‘kay fay buh’, not ‘kay fab’) was spoken about..." but unfortunately the video he describes doesn't seem to be available.

Also, I don't deny it's the case, but why are wrestlers speaking of kayfabe on the DVDs? Are they doing bits that are not kayfabe on these videos, or do you just hear them using it in passing to each other? I ask as a person who doesn't know much about the current state of wrestling. --rcousine 21:19, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Team 3D
I'm removing the part about Team 3D in the Examples of Kayfabe, because they do not share a resemblence.

138.88.60.196 02:01, 20 April 2006 (UTC)Brendan

I just removed the Dudley Boyz for the same reason. Gitrcollectibles 06:17, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Desire Vids?
In what circles are vignettes and the like referred to as "Desire" videos? The Desire videos were a one off thing in 2002 akin to the "I'm not a real athlete" videos from 98 --68.48.204.116 13:33, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Contradiction
There is a contradiction between this article and Rey Mysterio's. This one mentions that Rey really did quit, while his own article says it was kayfabe. I do not know which is true, though I hope it's the latter. Could someone fill me in and edit the article that is incorrect? -December 30, 2006 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.115.143.51 (talk) 04:55, 31 December 2006 (UTC).
 * it's the later. He's out with a knee injury.Unopeneddoor 02:56, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Lesbian Torrie and Dawn
Did Torrie Wison and Dawn marie have a real lesbian relationship like it siad in the article or is it fake (Not kayfabE)
 * It's fake (Kayfabe)Unopeneddoor 02:56, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Curtain Call Incident
Doesn't anybody else think the infamous MSG Curtain Call incident should be mentioned in this article, since it was an important landmark in wrestling kayfabe? Many say it was the day kayfabe died.

I certainly agree Dinsdale1234


 * While the Curtain Call is important, I doubt this is the day kayfabe died - it still lives on. Khal 19:16, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Kayfabe is pretty dead now. After the Chris Benoit tribute where Mr. Mcmahon came out after he was "dead", everyone should know that wrestling is fake and I've seen many signs of breaking kayfabe (or close to breaking kayfabe)

Eddie Guerrero
Is the dead of Eddie Guerrero a real event, or merely kayfabe? Aside WWE, I have found no notices of it in any news site like CNN or BBC, even though they should report such event on their entertainment sections.


 * Its a real life event, and many sites like Yahoo and CNN did mention it. They would never fake a performer's death like that. (Domt say Undertaker/Katie Vick/Al Wilson, those are events that are obviously meant to be scripted) --Cronosquall 23:02, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * look at the new Vince McMahon storyline faking a death there.

Dmanofwiki 09:37, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

By the way, Vickie Gurrero was not much into the WWE until after the death of Eddie

Injuries
I know that sometimes WWE kayfabes injuries for wrestlers so they can take time off (or whatever). Should this be included? I went ahead and added a section for it, but feel free to delete it if you think it shouldn't be included. Another aspect of this section could be when a wrestler is injured in real life, so they make up a storyline to give them some time off. A recent example would be Mr. Kennedy losing his MIB contract to Edge because he was injured and then The Undertaker losing his title to Edge because he also was injured. Nikki311 06:33, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Massive violation of the GFDL?
What the...? Since when does SmackBot write articles? Why are there no prior revisions? I find it very difficult to believe we did not have an article on Kayfabe until May 7, 2007. Burntsauce 21:01, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I know I've made edits on the article prior to May 7, 2007, and SmackBot definately did not write this article. Something must be malfunctioning somewhere. Are you refering to GNU Free Documentation License? I'm not sure if it is a violation, but something definately is wrong. Maybe it'll fix itself. Nikki311 21:18, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * One more note: If you check the talk page history, it has been around since 2005. How could it exist without the article? Maybe this should be reported to some Wikipedia tech support page or something. Clearly, something is malfunctioning. Nikki311 21:24, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * If you are familiar with the GFDL, then you know we need to provide a full revision history in order to maintain GFDL-compliancy. Since we can all agree that a robot did not write this article, someone (a developer perhaps?) needs to be contacted so this can be fixed and the history restored.  Burntsauce 20:15, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
 * That's what I was saying, but I'm not quite sure how to go about it. Do you know? Nikki311 21:39, 5 June 2007 (UTC)


 * It seems Danny saw a crap version, deleted without checking the history and then realised his mistake but only restored one revision from the history. The rest should be back now. the wub "?!"  11:53, 6 June 2007 (UTC)


 * That isn't hard to believe, but Danny should be more careful given all the hullabaloo taking place about GFDL on the admin board right now. Burntsauce 16:45, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Vince
Hey I noticed that at the bottom it mentions when Vince McMahon returned he didnt mention the death angle but he actually did and even showed footage of it. I watched RAW last Monday, and I edited it to be more truthfull. I am an amature and I dont know if it is good enough for Wikipedia standerds. ---===

Owen Hart
Given that his death was in the ring, there's a lot of kayfabe-related responses and actions that I think are notable enough for the article. (Audience response, opponent response, and later episode with all of the wrestlers breaking character to discuss Owen Hart as he was in real life.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Scandalous (talk • contribs) 21:44, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

psychic mediumship??
It seems someone has added this section without any citations as a thinly veiled attempt to make psychic mediumship (which I guess refers to spirit readings and the like??) appear fake —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.234.210.9 (talk) 08:43, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Why no mention of Andy Kaufman?
Is he not a prime example of the blurred line between kayfabe and reality in his "Andy the Wrestler" persona, the extreme "selling" of kayfabe in his supposed feud w. Andy Lawler, etc. etc.? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.188.31.236 (talk) 01:20, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

In a related observation: The last time I looked at this page, history didn't begin in 1995 and wasn't limited to WWE. Perhaps this is the inevitable sort of description the subject deserves. Maybe kayfabe is kayfabe when the marks run the circus.--Son of Somebody (talk) 01:30, 16 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I went ahead and added a mention of Andy and Lawler to the breaking kayfabe section, referring to the fact that Andy died with the kayfabe intact but Lawler eventually starred as himself in a biopic that portrays the whole feud as fabricated. I think it belongs in that section pretty well since the whole section is sort of trying to show how ambiguous the breaks in kayfabe are.   Hope you like it. --mroconnell (talk) 14:56, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Jeff Hardy
Was Jeff Hardy's leave real life or storyline.

storyline. He was meant to return in Armegeddon bu then REALLY went to jail

That is so f**ken crap they should atleast make him come back  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.24.110.83 (talk) 03:49, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Montreal Screwjob
After reading Bret's book, it would seemingly be the counter-point to Kevin Nash's notion of a "work" that would be on the level of Brian Pillman's "Loose Cannon" persona. Simply the crew that was doing his documentary was at the event and Vince did not know, but did not want to arouse suspicion. If there is any objections, feel free to post here if there needs to be a re-edit. BlackScreaminMachine (talk) 18:56, 3 September 2009 (UTC) The story line was to let him heal from RLS, he lates signed a contract with TNA. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.21.29.103 (talk) 07:13, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

I just wanted to point out that this statement is decidedly untrue:

"This has, in turn, given Canada the term of "bizzaro land" by a few WWE commentators to say that Canadian fans don't cheer or boo the same people that all the other countries that the WWE goes to will, even though this was clearly a cover-up as the jeers towards Shawn seemed to be the only time the Canadian fans were ready to unanimously boo a face; Austin was cheered by Canadians after Hart's departure)."

I can recall several shows in Canada where Canadian audiences cheered for Canadian heels or booed American Faces who were known to be flag wavers.

Kane & Undertaker
I Am pretty sure they are actually half brothers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.165.98.126 (talk) 16:57, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Is this supposed to be English?
Most notably, however, include The Undertaker and Vince McMahon (whom, as part of the storyline for Flair's retirement, made the stipulation in which if Flair lost a single match, he would be forced to retire) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.127.183.35 (talk) 02:37, 26 May 2010 (UTC)