Talk:Kazi Nazrul Islam/GA3

GA Review
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Reviewer: Gbohoadgwwian (talk · contribs) 06:32, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

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 * "He is the national poet of Bangladesh" is national poet a permanent thing? I think yes. Could you get a quote from the reference if possible?
 * I used the qoute from one of the sources, should I use quotes on all the sources? He is the only one and it is permanent.


 * No, not needed. -- Gian ❯❯ Talk 17:13, 28 June 2018 (UTC)


 * "Nazrul's writings explored themes such as love, freedom, ..." this paragraph is little promotional and the sources are not so strong, would you like to add some better sources or write it in more neutral way?
 * I improved the sources and removed some promotional content. Is that enough?


 * Yes, it is better. We can come back to it at the end when making sure the lede is summarizing the body. -- Gian ❯❯ Talk 17:13, 28 June 2018 (UTC)


 * This reference: Chaudhuri, Dilip (22 September 2006). is not accessible/opening for me, does it work for you? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gbohoadgwwian (talk • contribs) 06:47, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * The link is dead but I found a archived copy that still works and is online.Vinegarymass911 (talk) 15:14, 28 June 2018 (UTC)


 * This works fine. -- Gian ❯❯ Talk 17:13, 28 June 2018 (UTC)


 * "and roomed at 32 College Street with colleagues." can be reworded or completely dropped.


 * ধূমকেতু - is this right for dhumketu?
 * Bangla wikipedia and Banglapedia use ধূমকেতু and Banglapedia also uses Dhumketu.


 * "I have been accused of sedition. That..." is very long quote, with little context or connect in the article. Maybe shorten it and connect it to nicely so that it fits naturally in the section?
 * Reduced it and added litlle context


 * "his book Bisher Banshi..." maybe add a line why it was banned?
 * added information explaining ban


 * "Daridro (Poverty).." should it be Daaridro?(sorry I thought you meant the WB link, fixing it) Can we get a working url for this?
 * the archive link works for me which is the source at the end of the poem, can you check again? and this is the spelling in the source


 * Several of the references are lacking details, can we fill in details for the reference and add url where possible?
 * Done to the best of my limited ability


 * "He was also worked..." please rephrase. -- Gian ❯❯ Talk 09:01, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Done, rephrased.Vinegarymass911 (talk) 18:13, 3 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Thank you, I will provide the next set of feedback in few days. -- Gian ❯❯ Talk 16:50, 5 July 2018 (UTC)


 * "In another article entitled Hindu Mussalman, published..." the given quote is very long, rather the intent should be summarized.
 * Done.


 * "Nazrul has been compared to William Butler Yeats..." by whom?
 * Done


 * "His condemnation of extremism and mistreatment of women provoked condemnation from Muslim and Hindu fundamentalists..." some context and elaboration can be helpful.
 * Done.


 * "In 1930, his book Pralayshikha was banned and he faced charges of sedition." Why was it banned? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gbohoadgwwian (talk • contribs) 04:49, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Partly done, all the sources found online say it was banned and he was charged with sedition and my Bangali is too limited to access Bengali sources. An educated guess would be that it criticised the British Raj but didn't added guess work. Added little context on the colonial government background. Would removing the line be better?Vinegarymass911 (talk) 13:22, 4 August 2018 (UTC)


 * No, I think you can leave it in. -- Gian ❯❯ Talk 16:27, 9 August 2018 (UTC)


 * The "Criticism" section is fair I believe by it can be improved by giving attribution, do you think you can more specifics and expand on this section?
 * Added attribution but could not find specifics. Will try to expand


 * "The Nazrul Endowment is one of several scholarly institutions..." is little convoluted, it should be rewritten. -- Gian ❯❯ Talk 16:33, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 * done


 * Could you investigate red links in the article like the one in the caption of Tile mural, Nazrul Square? -- Gian ❯❯ Talk 07:11, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
 * It is a park in Chittagong, there is not enough sources to create an article. Removed red link.


 * the article is good. I see it passes most criteria. Some sections can be rewritten to improve readability and flow. I will read through them once again, meanwhile take the liberty to look at it with fresh mind and work on the flow. You may invite another person also to do copy-edit. -- Gian ❯❯ Talk 09:00, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Will do, thank you.Vinegarymass911 (talk) 06:18, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Any update?Vinegarymass911 (talk) 22:45, 29 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Sorry for the late response, I was busy in real life. But I have a little worrying news, I was learning the copyvio tools and I suspect this article needs immediate attention to resolve some copyvio. You can also view the copyvio by clicking on the "Copyvio detector" in the GA toolbox above. You need to cleanup the content taken from these sources verbatim: ,,, . --Jaydayal (talk) 04:40, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
 * this is most concerning, I will look into it. Regarding which was published on September 21, 2014, I think it was copied from Wikipedia and not the other way around. This  is a version from April 3, 2014, months before the article was published. It has the same content as the news article. What is your opinion on the matter? In the meanwhile I will try to change wordings.Vinegarymass911 (talk) 20:25, 9 October 2018 (UTC)


 * I agree with you, we should ignore TNS, it is surprising that 'Sarwat Ali' a 'culture critic' did not provide attribution. --Jaydayal (talk) 03:11, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I made some changes, does it still show plagiarism? Some of the match is very likely due to the poems.Vinegarymass911 (talk) 06:28, 15 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Yes, the tool is still showing copyvio, you can check by clicking here. Jaydayal (talk) 04:31, 18 October 2018 (UTC)


 * the tool still shows copyvio, can you please check? Or when I get time I will go over it. --Jaydayal (talk) 03:23, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Status query

 * Any update to progress with this review. AIRcorn (talk) 22:15, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Aircorn, reviewer Jaydayal hasn't edited on Wikipedia for over two months. While Vinegarymass911, although currently active, hasn't edited the article to further address the copyvio apparently shown by Earwig, the worst of these are clearly the quoted poems (or their translations) and other blockquotes, and therefore not copyvio unless there is overquoting of copyright material (original or translations). In The Daily Star source that probably merits further checking (from May 2007), that first sentence I checked that appeared to be copied turned out to have been in the Wikipedia article prior to the source. We need a reviewer who knows how to check for copyvio and close paraphrasing, rather than relying on a report from an imperfect tool. I also think this needs a better look at the prose; the Illness and Death section ("Death" should not be capitalized) isn't as clear as it needs to be, and I'm not sure why August 1976 is considered "soon" after 1974. So I think it would be a good idea to find a new reviewer. (We could also try to get a specialist in close paraphrasing/copyvio to check that aspect of things.) BlueMoonset (talk) 15:55, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
 * It would be great to have another reviewer, who specializes in copy right violations, to take a look. I am at my wits' end on how to fix the issue and have almost given up hope on fixing the issue. Most of the similarities are from the quoted text and poems. Some of the other matches are from sources that copied from Wikipedia.Vinegarymass911 (talk) 17:16, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
 * As Bluemoonset says quotes are only an issue if there are too many of them. It is usually best to paraphrase where possible. Sources copying us is not an issue. I am no copyright expert, but can take a look and help finish the review. I will warn you that I am stricter than most on over-quoting though. AIR<b style="color: green;">corn</b> (talk) 20:53, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I would appreciate that and am willing to remove whatever necessary to get this article to pass.Vinegarymass911 (talk) 22:34, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Added a note on Bangladesh noticeboard. Hopefully, we'll get someone to work on this. --Titodutta (talk) 19:59, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

New review

 * He is the national poet of Bangladesh Can't access the source, but given what I have read it seems likely. I think this bears mentioning under legacy as well as in the lead though
 * It is mentioned in the first sentence of the legacy section.Vinegarymass911 (talk) 22:03, 19 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Some of the other stuff from the opening paragraph should probably get better mention in the body. Theoretically everything in the lead should be covered in the body, although there are exceptions
 * There is a lot under occupation in the infobox. Are they all needed, sometimes this draws attention away from the more important jbs
 * Nazrul was born on Friday 24 May 1899[20][21] in the village of Churulia, Asansol Sadar, Paschim Bardhaman district of the Bengal Presidency (now in West Bengal, India). A bit of a sea of blue in regards to the location. It might help to break it up a bit.
 * reduced links


 * Despite many differences, Nazrul looked to Rabindranath Tagore as a mentor. Feel this could be expanded on. Maybe mention a few of the differences?
 * Provided context


 * There is a tag for a better source. Not much on the book in google altough it does mention astrology, which is a red flag. Not seeing anything controversial in the text so not overly concerned, but it would be better with a better source.
 * Added a additional source to the text, a book.


 * He presented a long argument in the court, he said That is not really a long argument. Maybe clarify that it is only part of what he said.
 * Done


 * Nazrul was the first person to use Middle Eastern and Central Asian themes in traditional Bengali music. Can you point out to me where this is cited. Some of the following sentences seem to be vaguely cited as well. I can see justification in here for some, but feel things like A significant impact of Nazrul's work in Bengal was that it made Bengali Muslims more comfortable with the Bengali arts, need to a bit stronger sourcing.
 * Added academic sources found using JSTOR.


 * From his poem Nari (Woman): This doesn't lead anywhere. I assume it was a quote you removed.
 * Solved


 * Another better source needed tag. There are multiple cites here so maybe it is not needed. I am not sure why this source is unacceptable.
 * He became famous through his music for the working poor such as the poem:'Poverty'( Daridro) Wasn't he famous already?
 * Reworded sentence, the poem was mentioned because it is used in the article


 * He underwent medical treatment under homeopathy as well as Ayurveda, I am averse to describing these as medical treatments.
 * Removed medical, though about adding Alternative medicine but that made the sentence wonky.Vinegarymass911 (talk) 22:36, 19 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Nazrul Sanskriti Parishad has been working on Nazrul's life and works since 2000 in India What do you mean by this?
 * Sentence clarified


 * He was the first Bengali person to write about the Christians of Bengal in his novel Mrityukshuda in 1930. He was also the first user of folk terms in Bengali literature. Nazrul pioneered new styles and expressed radical ideas and emotions in a large body of work. Scholars credit him for spearheading a cultural renaissance in Muslim-majority Bengal, "liberating" poetry and literature in Bengali from its medieval mould. These statements need some good sources.
 * Removed the sentences, failed verification.


 * Nazrul's recording of Islamic songs was a commercial success and created interests gramophone companies about publishing his works. Gramma?
 * It refers to Phonograph which is also called gramophone, fixed grammar.Vinegarymass911 (talk) 22:15, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Okay think I am done. Sorry it took so long for this to reach this stage. AIR<b style="color: green;">corn</b> (talk) 12:00, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Images seem fine
 * Not too concerned about the quotes. They make up a smallish percentage of the article and only reproduce part of the poems. I am not an expert on these thing though.
 * I looked through the other close sources and they appear to have copied us rather than the other way around. It does raise a question on the reliability of the Daily Star though as it is cited at other points within this article. It is not used for anything too controversial except once and then it is used as part of other sources so I will not let that stop this from passing.
 * Sorry about the delay, was busy with midterms. Vinegarymass911 (talk) 03:11, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
 * No problem. It looks good. Happy to pass. AIR<b style="color: green;">corn</b> (talk) 21:51, 20 March 2019 (UTC)