Talk:Kecksburg UFO incident

Section: 2005:_NASA_changes_story_to Russian_satellite
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kecksburg_UFO_incident#2005:_NASA_changes_story_to_.22Russian_satellite.22 In this section, the source given is from a UFO website, and not (apparently) the AP. http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2005/dec/m09-011.shtml (this is the source link) In that link, there is a link to http://www.timesleader.com/mld/timesleader/news/local/13360634.htm which gives an "article not found" error. way back link of "Sci Fi Channel-backed researcher pressing NASA for UFO files" Posted on Thu, Dec. 08, 2005 http://web.archive.org/web/20051230121201/http://www.timesleader.com/mld/timesleader/news/local/13360634.htm Waptek (talk) 02:10, 25 March 2015 (UTC) Thus, it looks to me like this section needs a new source, or it will probably have to be removed. Communisthamster 23:25, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Kean vs. NASA Lawsuit
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21494221?gt1=10450 WASHINGTON - NASA has agreed to search its archives once again for documents on a 1965 UFO incident in Pennsylvania, a step the space agency fought in federal court. The government has refused to open its files about what, if anything, moved across the sky and crashed in the woods near Kecksburg, Pa., 40 miles southeast of Pittsburgh. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.108.245.157 (talk) 15:45, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

[Here's http://www.livescience.com/blogs/2008/06/16/opening-nasas-x-files-the-kecksburg-incident/] a space.com blog entry about these documents being received by Leslie Kean

Kecksburg and Die Glocke
Physicist Dr. Joseph P. Farrell associates 'Die Glocke' with the Kecksburg UFO incident in his books and radio interviews:


 * http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=toNd_5mh8c4
 * http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=waxy6v-hGC8
 * http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=CCwkhpslniU
 * http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_2j-8CI9Hyw
 * http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=tir1HcwLjPk

Unsolved
This page should entirely consist of the transcript from the Kecksburg UFO segment of the hit TV show Unsolved Mysteries. After performing an in depth analysis of both this page and the Unsolved Mysteries segment I came to the illustrious conclusion that the segment offers a more detailed write up on the events and speculation that have plagued the town of Kecksburg for these past years. If you are intrigied by my thoughts and ideas and wish to subscribe to my weekly newsletter send bank details and large sum of cash in enclosed envelope to the undislosed location on which my house/home is located. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.219.130.161 (talk) 10:49, 26 May 2009 (UTC)


 * That would be a copyright violation of an unreliable source. Bubba73 (You talkin' to me?), 02:16, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Discrepancy
Regarding the theory that the Kecksburg UFO was Cosmos 96 : This article mentions the theory, but dismisses it and states that Cosmos 96 actually crashed in Canada. However, it also links to the article Cosmos 96, which states that Cosmos 96 crashed near Kecksburg. Clearly, they can't both be right, but I'm not sure which one is correct. Logicman1966 (talk) 05:54, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Kosmos 96 now states it remained in orbit.--Senor Freebie (talk) 03:09, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

2011: U.S. Government Declassifies Information on CIA's Cold-War Spy Satellites
hi, It is not obvious the link to the material under the section 2011: U.S. Government Declassifies Information on CIA's Cold-War Spy Satellites, are there any citations there? it seems a loose connection. mike James Michael DuPont (talk) 16:26, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Here is a recent story, but these guys are also missing the original bread crumb I provided back in 2011 and then again in 2012.

http://www.post-gazette.com/news/science/2015/12/06/50-years-later-the-Kecksburg-Westmoreland-County-UFO-is-identified-probably/stories/201512060146

http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/nmc/spacecraftDisplay.do?id=1965-102A --> reentry capsule (nicknamed "film bucket")

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corona_(satellite) Remember the funny language written on the side? hehe

Research how this system worked at that specific time and under certain failure conditions. Do you need a map drawn? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.18.151.204 (talk) 01:59, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

Space turd?
So the earth was struck by something that resembles a large interstellar dump? Well that would be my conclusion looking at the unfortunately colored dollop of "something" used to represent the UFO on this page?

What on earth is that dollop supposed to be? Mr Whippy? 86.169.91.133 (talk) 08:23, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it does look like a giant turd. It is supposedly an exact replica of the object that witnesses in the Kecksburg area claimed crashed near their community. It was built by the famous old NBC television series Unsolved Mysteries about 25 years ago for an episode about the supposed crash of whatever-it-was. Some say it was a secret Soviet satellite that went down, others say it was a UFO, and some even say nothing happened that night and the entire event has been greatly exaggerated. At any rate, after the episode aired and drew good ratings, Unsolved Mysteries gave the great turd-shaped object to the village of Kecksburg as a keepsake. My understanding is that they've left it atop a pole near the center of the village as a tourist attraction. It is pretty funny-looking though! 70.145.229.162 (talk) 21:41, 23 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Space turd or Divine Lingam Vimana? :)) 76.10.128.192 (talk) 08:25, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

Removing the John Murphy documentary section wholesale...
Because not only is it completely uncited, when I went looking to see if it could be I discovered it had apparently been lifted word-for-word from this page: http://www.educatinghumanity.com/2011/04/ufo-crash-at-kecksburg-and-cover-up.html. Shoebox 2  talk  03:32, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

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"Later investigations"
I propose renaming this section "In popular culture", or "Other references", since with the current title, we seem to claim that those popular TV shows have qualified personel performing actual investigations, with access to reliable sources (when their business is actually entertainment)... 76.10.128.192 (talk) 08:20, 1 October 2016 (UTC)


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July 2018 improvements
Many thanks, including reworking the popular culture section and including there undue "investigation" shows previously presented outside of that section. — Paleo Neonate  – 11:27, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
 * This article is looking pretty nice now. Rap Chart Mike (talk) 14:25, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
 * @PaleoNeonate. Yes, when the article was originally written in 2007-ish, a Sci Fi Channel doc was accepted by many editors as a citation of a "scientific investigation". @Rap Chart Mike. The citations could use some cleaning up (some seem like personal narrative) but I'm pretty much done with the edit. - LuckyLouie (talk) 14:39, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'm gonna go over it again next week and shine her up a bit more if I can.Rap Chart Mike (talk) 17:54, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Much improved! - Donald Albury 17:07, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Great work Louie! Sgerbic (talk) 05:17, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

YOUTUBE Video
Montel William's had a show dedicated to U.F.O.s and among his guests were Travis Walton, Dr Karla Turner, and a Firefighter who claimed to have attended the Kecksburg incident. Mr William's show is, or was, available on YouTube. Johnwrd (talk) 07:04, 9 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Per WP:YOUTUBE, there are many problems with videos posted on YOUTUBE which generally make them unsuitable as sources or for linking from an article. You would have to point to a specific video and present a convincing argument that using such video would not violate copyright or any WP policies and guidelines. I suspect any comments from the firefighter would amount to hearsay, and could not be used without verification from independent reliable sources. If such reliable sources exist, they should be used rather than a YOUTUBE video. - Donald Albury 19:54, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

November 2018
This article has been edited by a previous author omitting the work of Owen Eichler Identifying the UFO as a United States military reentry vehicle. The UFO was a MK2 reentry vehicle with a solid fuel booster called a Manurverable Ballistic Reentry Vehicle (MBRV). Reference article by Pittsburgh Post Gazette "Kecksburg UFO Case Solved" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.40.5.59 (talk • contribs)
 * The source makes clear it is by no means positively identified, but a brief mention of the speculation is warranted and has been added. - LuckyLouie (talk) 20:31, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

2003 Kecksburg Town Hall meeting
I found this article; https://archive.triblive.com/news/kecksburg-ufo-debate-renewed/

I was thinking maybe there should be a small section on it. It contains a lot of claims by people who lived in Kecksburg at the time of the incident on what they saw. Neptune23456 (talk) 22:34, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
 * It was a TV show produced by Sci Fi channel, not an actual town hall. It’s already included in the article. See the 2nd item in the Television Shows” section. -LuckyLouie (talk) 22:52, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

TV Shows
I noticed that some point to a play link as citation, when Wikipedia is not really in the business of promoting those. A common criteria for lists is for them to have an existing article where they wouldn't require a citation. Or we could require that a third party citation be provided, etc. In case I'm not the only one concerned, — Paleo  Neonate  – 01:57, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Exact location of the crash site
Please give the exact coordinates of the site where the object crashed. Also a map of the area showing the crash site would be a great benefit to the article.